Roy Masters on Saints and Wests Tigers Joint Ventures

[Russell]

That be as it may, I stand corrected on the finer point.

The main point I was making and the first 4 lines were leading to was that it doesn't matter what percentages or who owns what. The joint venture stays as Wests Tigers and has the Tiger logo.

Masters was alluding to the fact that it could be changed to Wests Magpies or in fact Liverpool Leopards if you like - but it cannot, that is the point.

 

[claws]

I was born in Balmain Hospital, raised in Balmain and later in Campbelltown and was very excited by the merger. My observation is this, as an avid member and follower on this forum, constant cries of drop or sack this player, sack the coach, remove this member of the board, they are hopeless, I could go on forever. My point, where are all the unbiased people calling for the Balmain side of the venture to sell out or move on, because the Balmain side has not been performing or pulling it's weight for so many years now? I believe Wests have conducted themselves very professionally throughout this whole matter. I hope Balmain can get back on their feet shortly. Go Weststigers!

 

[851]

Don't care what he says either - he is an idiot.

However - Facts are facts and should be stated as such.

Wests Ashfield will own 75% and Balmain 25% - Fact.

In five years Balmain may take their share to 50% or Wests may go to 100% - Fact.

Whoever owns it - it can never be Wests Magpies, Western Suburbs or anything else. It must be Wests Tigers to continue the clubs registration - Fact.

It also must keep the logo - Fact.

I'm not trying to be a smart arse but I think your facts are wrong.
Balmain own 25% on paper but they have zero equity in that 25%. The NRL actually owns that 25%.
It's like me saying I own a million dollar house when I owe the bank a million dollars for it - I don't actually own any of it.
Balmain's goal in the next 5 years is to try and pay back the NRL so that the do actually own 25%. It's not to move their ownership back to 50%. If they can't pay back the NRL for their 25% than the NRL will essentially repossess it and on sell it to another party. A party that the Wests Ashfield approves of.

Spot on, and we all know how Balmain went trying to pay back their last loan from the NRL.

 

[GoldXR50Leroy]

I'm from the Balmain side of the Joint venture and I surely hope that it's another 43 years until I kick the bucket, I don't understand all the vitriol coming from both sides when it's been obvious that neither side could have continued on a stand alone basis, we are going to come good sooner rather than later!.

 

[newtiger]

Feeling better Leigh?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I was born in Balmain Hospital, raised in Balmain and later in Campbelltown and was very excited by the merger. My observation is this, as an avid member and follower on this forum, constant cries of drop or sack this player, sack the coach, remove this member of the board, they are hopeless, I could go on forever. My point, where are all the unbiased people calling for the Balmain side of the venture to sell out or move on, because the Balmain side has not been performing or pulling it's weight for so many years now? I believe Wests have conducted themselves very professionally throughout this whole matter. I hope Balmain can get back on their feet shortly. Go Weststigers!

I will unashamedly toot my own horn here. I'd rather they move on from it as it's holding the WT back. They still have their legacy, even if they're not financially tipping in or listed as a shareholder.

 

[magpiecol]

That be as it may, I stand corrected on the finer point.

The main point I was making and the first 4 lines were leading to was that it doesn't matter what percentages or who owns what. The joint venture stays as Wests Tigers and has the Tiger logo.

Masters was alluding to the fact that it could be changed to Wests Magpies or in fact Liverpool Leopards if you like - but it cannot, that is the point.

You don't seem to get anything right.

They CAN change the name, BUT have chosen not to.

Please do some research before you ramble on.

 

[cktiger]

That be as it may, I stand corrected on the finer point.

The main point I was making and the first 4 lines were leading to was that it doesn't matter what percentages or who owns what. The joint venture stays as Wests Tigers and has the Tiger logo.

Masters was alluding to the fact that it could be changed to Wests Magpies or in fact Liverpool Leopards if you like - but it cannot, that is the point.

You don't seem to get anything right.

**They CAN change the name, BUT have chosen not to.**
Please do some research before you ramble on.

Can you kindly inform us of why this is so when I have read a thousand times that WestsTigers is registered with the NRL and cant be changed?

 

[Russell]

That be as it may, I stand corrected on the finer point.

The main point I was making and the first 4 lines were leading to was that it doesn't matter what percentages or who owns what. The joint venture stays as Wests Tigers and has the Tiger logo.

Masters was alluding to the fact that it could be changed to Wests Magpies or in fact Liverpool Leopards if you like - but it cannot, that is the point.

You don't seem to get anything right.

They CAN change the name, BUT have chosen not to.

Please do some research before you ramble on.

Thanks for the stinging barb - uncalled for.

However I beg to disagree Col.

 

[magpiecol]

That be as it may, I stand corrected on the finer point.

The main point I was making and the first 4 lines were leading to was that it doesn't matter what percentages or who owns what. The joint venture stays as Wests Tigers and has the Tiger logo.

Masters was alluding to the fact that it could be changed to Wests Magpies or in fact Liverpool Leopards if you like - but it cannot, that is the point.

You don't seem to get anything right.

**They CAN change the name, BUT have chosen not to.**
Please do some research before you ramble on.

Can you kindly inform us of why this is so when I have read a thousand times that WestsTigers is registered with the NRL and cant be changed?

I give you the North Sydney Bears + The Manly Sea Eagles = The Northern Eagles - the North Sydney Bears = the Manly Sea Eagles.

 

[cqtiger]

I just sit back and smile every time I read a post saying that it will be fine in another 30 years when all the magpie and Balmain dinosaurs are not around. Yep it'll be 100% Wests Tigers - with Western Suburbs reps sitting on the Wests Tigers board with a few less Balmain reps.

They're never going away you know.

You will all be able to tell your grandkids why Wests Tigers are run by Western Suburbs and Balmain board members, just like I do now, hehe

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I just sit back and smile every time I read a post saying that it will be fine in another 30 years when all the magpie and Balmain dinosaurs are not around. Yep it'll be 100% Wests Tigers - with Western Suburbs reps sitting on the Wests Tigers board with a few less Balmain reps.

They're never going away you know.

You will all be able to tell your grandkids why Wests Tigers are run by Western Suburbs and Balmain board members, just like I do now, hehe

No different to a nation.
Long after the founders are gone future generations want to keep the identity going.

Good thing for us really otherwise its all for nothing.

 

[Chunk]

Let me start off by saying anyone complaining about bias should go read some old Ray Chesterton articles and read his views on the JV.

The hysterics in this thread so far is ridiculous. It might be an article reporting on the Dragons ownership, but the comparisons with us are pretty relevant with us also being a JV whose ownership has been a major talking point of late. As far as old Roy being pro Magpies and anti Balmain, maybe he is, but maybe he's just talking about the Magpies role in the JV the same way the media have talked up Balmain's role for the last 16 yrs as the dominant partner with the spiritual home ground being LO, constantly being referred to as the Black and Golds, and Balmain legends constantly being wheeled out when you need a quote from an ex player.

So I know from experience how out of joint your nose would get reading stuff like this, but just keep in mind this is how a lot of Western Suburbs people have felt for yrs. a lot have even walked away.

I can understand how you feel but its not the Balmain side of the JV's fault because the media has had a slant towards the 'Tiger' side of things. It's more appealing, simple as that, it sells more papers, has brought in more sponsorship and brings on more of the younger supporters, etc.

Its ironic that all we here is we want what's best for the WT's but not if doesn't include more Westsss than its not the right thing…..fmd.

**The only disunity we have had over the past 16 yrs is form the Magpies. I'm all for doing what's best for the WT's even if that means leaving Leichhardt (heaven forbid) but if its best than so be it.**

Hard decisions need to be made, like they have been over the past 16yrs, the difference will be that you won't here constant whinging from the Balmain side of things.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Let me start off by saying anyone complaining about bias should go read some old Ray Chesterton articles and read his views on the JV.

The hysterics in this thread so far is ridiculous. It might be an article reporting on the Dragons ownership, but the comparisons with us are pretty relevant with us also being a JV whose ownership has been a major talking point of late. As far as old Roy being pro Magpies and anti Balmain, maybe he is, but maybe he's just talking about the Magpies role in the JV the same way the media have talked up Balmain's role for the last 16 yrs as the dominant partner with the spiritual home ground being LO, constantly being referred to as the Black and Golds, and Balmain legends constantly being wheeled out when you need a quote from an ex player.

So I know from experience how out of joint your nose would get reading stuff like this, but just keep in mind this is how a lot of Western Suburbs people have felt for yrs. a lot have even walked away.

I can understand how you feel but its not the Balmain side of the JV's fault because the media has had a slant towards the 'Tiger' side of things. It's more appealing, simple as that, it sells more papers, has brought in more sponsorship and brings on more of the younger supporters, etc.

Its ironic that all we here is we want what's best for the WT's but not if doesn't include more Westsss than its not the right thing…..fmd.

**The only disunity we have had over the past 16 yrs is form the Magpies. I'm all for doing what's best for the WT's even if that means leaving Leichhardt (heaven forbid) but if its best than so be it.**

Hard decisions need to be made, like they have been over the past 16yrs, the difference will be that you won't here constant whinging from the Balmain side of things.

Haha clearly you didn't read the tons of paranoia from old Balmain fans who were convinced WA would revert to the Magpies. Some even threatened to walk away regardless if Balmain weren't still involved. Even if the name hadn't changed. As I said earlier, since the talk of the Magpies taking majority ownership, the complaining and disunity has shifted. Ironic you claim the Balmain side are above it in the same thread that's littered with complaints.

 

[diedpretty]

Let me start off by saying anyone complaining about bias should go read some old Ray Chesterton articles and read his views on the JV.

The hysterics in this thread so far is ridiculous. It might be an article reporting on the Dragons ownership, but the comparisons with us are pretty relevant with us also being a JV whose ownership has been a major talking point of late. As far as old Roy being pro Magpies and anti Balmain, maybe he is, but maybe he's just talking about the Magpies role in the JV the same way the media have talked up Balmain's role for the last 16 yrs as the dominant partner with the spiritual home ground being LO, constantly being referred to as the Black and Golds, and Balmain legends constantly being wheeled out when you need a quote from an ex player.

So I know from experience how out of joint your nose would get reading stuff like this, but just keep in mind this is how a lot of Western Suburbs people have felt for yrs. a lot have even walked away.

I can understand how you feel but its not the Balmain side of the JV's fault because the media has had a slant towards the 'Tiger' side of things. It's more appealing, simple as that, it sells more papers, has brought in more sponsorship and brings on more of the younger supporters, etc.

Its ironic that all we here is we want what's best for the WT's but not if doesn't include more Westsss than its not the right thing…..fmd.

**The only disunity we have had over the past 16 yrs is form the Magpies. I'm all for doing what's best for the WT's even if that means leaving Leichhardt (heaven forbid) but if its best than so be it.**

Hard decisions need to be made, like they have been over the past 16yrs, the difference will be that you won't here constant whinging from the Balmain side of things.

Haha clearly you didn't read the tons of paranoia from old Balmain fans who were convinced WA would revert to the Magpies. Some even threatened to walk away regardless if Balmain weren't still involved. Even if the name hadn't changed. As I said earlier, since the talk of the Magpies taking majority ownership, the complaining and disunity has shifted. Ironic you claim the Balmain side are above it in the same thread that's littered with complaints.

May as well give up GNR - they don't get it. They never have they never will.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Let me start off by saying anyone complaining about bias should go read some old Ray Chesterton articles and read his views on the JV.

The hysterics in this thread so far is ridiculous. It might be an article reporting on the Dragons ownership, but the comparisons with us are pretty relevant with us also being a JV whose ownership has been a major talking point of late. As far as old Roy being pro Magpies and anti Balmain, maybe he is, but maybe he's just talking about the Magpies role in the JV the same way the media have talked up Balmain's role for the last 16 yrs as the dominant partner with the spiritual home ground being LO, constantly being referred to as the Black and Golds, and Balmain legends constantly being wheeled out when you need a quote from an ex player.

So I know from experience how out of joint your nose would jget reading stuff like this, but just keep in mind this is how a lot of Western Suburbs people have felt for yrs. a lot have even walked away.

I can understand how you feel but its not the Balmain side of the JV's fault because the media has had a slant towards the 'Tiger' side of things. It's more appealing, simple as that, it sells more papers, has brought in more sponsorship and brings on more of the younger supporters, etc.

Its ironic that all we here is we want what's best for the WT's but not if doesn't include more Westsss than its not the right thing…..fmd.

**The only disunity we have had over the past 16 yrs is form the Magpies. I'm all for doing what's best for the WT's even if that means leaving Leichhardt (heaven forbid) but if its best than so be it.**

Hard decisions need to be made, like they have been over the past 16yrs, the difference will be that you won't here constant whinging from the Balmain side of things.

Sounds like your doing a pretty good job of whinging already
Your post is very educational, I never knew that The Balmain side was so perfect
It's a wonder that it's the Balmain side is the one that went down the gurgler,
Stop whinging and just be grateful,that you've been given a lifeline

 

[tigermac88]

This thread is like ping pong back and forth
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