Rules and refereeing

[voice_of_reason]

This game revealed a few rules, and they're policing, which need to be addressed. These are a few musings...

1) When JRey pushed Wighton into touch and we were penalised. Once the momentum of the tackle started he was always going into touch so calling held a microsecond before and then awarding a penalty is ridiculous. At worst, he should have walked him back to play the ball - same as if someone steps off the mark. Players should be rewarded for dominant tackles not penalised.

2) The dropped ball for which we were penalised. I realise we could have challenged, but why doesn't the video ref jump in to get it right? I thought this was the biggest call of the game because it led directly to points. The video refs will join in for something like a line drop-out so why not other glaring issues?

3) A tackle reset doesn't appear to require an advantage to be taken. Knock on when running from dummy half and you turn it over even though the other team has transgressed. The tackle restart is meant to be the equivalent of a penalty and should require the team awarded to get some advantage.

4) The MCK pass 'off the ground'. Why could that not be challenged? I can understand not being able to challenge rulings which can't be judged by video ref, but this certainly could. I'm wondering if the ref just made that up on the run.

5) From last week's game, defending players should be able to catch the ball inside of ten metres from a kick off. I think the entire purpose of the ten metre rule is to stop a team tapping the ball as a kick off.

 

[innsaneink]

Yeah no. 4 is strange that it's unchallengeable

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

This game revealed a few rules, and they're policing, which need to be addressed. These are a few musings...

1) When JRey pushed Wighton into touch and we were penalised. Once the momentum of the tackle started he was always going into touch so calling held a microsecond before and then awarding a penalty is ridiculous. At worst, he should have walked him back to play the ball - same as if someone steps off the mark. Players should be rewarded for dominant tackles not penalised.

2) The dropped ball for which we were penalised. I realise we could have challenged, but why doesn't the video ref jump in to get it right? I thought this was the biggest call of the game because it led directly to points. The video refs will join in for something like a line drop-out so why not other glaring issues?

3) A tackle reset doesn't appear to be require an advantage to be taken. Knock on when running from dummy half and you turn it over even though the other team has transgressed. The tackle restart is meant to be the equivalent of a penalty and should require the team awarded to get some advantage.

4) The MCK pass 'off the ground'. Why could that not be challenged? I can understand not being able to challenge rulings which can't be judged by video ref, but this certainly could. I'm wondering if the ref just made that up on the run.

5) From last week's game, defending players should be able to catch the ball inside of ten metres from a kick off. I think the entire purpose of the ten metre rule is to stop a team tapping the ball as a kick off.

If six again is called on tackle 1 or 2 it should be a penalty.

If the attacking team are trying to MILK a six again in the Ref's eyes it should be deemed a change over it would stop MILKING immediately

 

[hobbo1]

That ref is lucky he’s not my neighbour..

 

[happy_tiger]

That ref is lucky he’s not my neighbour..

Don't worry about that humped dirt patch in your backyard when you wake up OK .....nothing to see here

 

[69-05-41]

I think there should be stats on extra tackles. The number of penalties and restarts are misleading if one team receives most of theirs on tackle one (ie one extra tackle) and the other receives theirs on tackle four (ie four extra tackles). It would help make referee game management more transparent.

 

[hobbo1]

I’m still not sold on these new rules ..it’s like the 9’s format imo

I don’t know any other sport to bastardise the rules so much as rugby league

 

[Geo]

I like the new rules but reckon there is a bit of making it up on the run by the refs ..you see things you think should be six again and it's not called then other times you think what the hell was that for especially early in the tackle count gets a 6 again you see same thing happen on tackle 4 eg marker in the ruck and it's let go..

The worrying thing is a ref and his interpretations are influencing games more than they should...It made it hard for us tonight...we let ourselves down

It felt like though the Raiders were being officiated different to us..

 

[mike]

It felt like though the Raiders were being officiated different to us..

Not much has changed in that respect.

 

[happy_tiger]

There was just so many calls tonight that had me scratching my head

Lead runner on Wighton's try hit Reynolds inside shoulder

Tigers penalized for the player driven into touch

Was a stripped ball call but didn't hear the refs called held

Was a knock down by a Raiders player that was called a knock on (pretty sure it was when Grant got flogged from behind when we were 5 out from the line and not one runner wanting to scream at the line

Raiders player standing in front of player taking tap (RHS ) when Packer sent to the bin

MCK pass

Grant gets belted high minutes before Packer belts Wighton

 

[happy_tiger]

I like the new rules but reckon there is a bit of making it up on the run by the refs ..you see things you think should be six again and it's not called then other times you think what the hell was that for especially early in the tackle count gets a 6 again you see same thing happen on tackle 4 eg marker in the ruck and it's let go..

The worrying thing is a ref and his interpretations are influencing games more than they should...It made it hard for us tonight...we let ourselves down

It felt like though the Raiders were being officiated different to us..

Everything changes yet everything is the same

26 refs per game next season

 

[hobbo1]

I like the new rules but reckon there is a bit of making it up on the run by the refs ..you see things you think should be six again and it's not called then other times you think what the hell was that for especially early in the tackle count gets a 6 again you see same thing happen on tackle 4 eg marker in the ruck and it's let go..

The worrying thing is a ref and his interpretations are influencing games more than they should...It made it hard for us tonight...we let ourselves down

It felt like though the Raiders were being officiated different to us..

The Tapani dropped ball was the turning point .

 

[supercoach]

Refs when in doubt go with the favourites. Tigers got zero reward for basically dominating the first half, but after oranges the Raiders were rewarded for everything we were not in the first half. I am sorry one ref or two refs, new rules or old rules, the bloke with the whistle more often than not determines who wins.

The guy tonight had absolutely zero feel for the game, but of course we were underdogs so why should we expect to win

 

[Tcat]

One thing I did notice were the amount of times the raiders moved up in defence way too early. You can't race off the line in defence before the ball has finished being played to the dummy half to distribute. It seems to happen in alot of games atm and i often wonder how the defence can be up so quick with some teams and not others. Touch judges need to start policing this as the ref has so many other things to watch. There could have been many off sides called and It can really kill attacking momentum.

 

[Harvey]

The referee last night was a tool, but the tackle restart rule is pretty much as I predicted. Inconsistently policed with different interpretations by each referee and able to directly influence a game without a lopsided penalty count to question.

The announcement that MCK was plain wrong as you can challenge when the decision results in play stopping (scrum, penalty, try scoring)

 

[happy_tiger]

Surprised Madge didn't say something last night

 

[jadtiger]

The referee last night was a tool, but the tackle restart rule is pretty much as I predicted. Inconsistently policed with different interpretations by each referee and able to directly influence a game without a lopsided penalty count to question.

The announcement that MCK was plain wrong as you can challenge when the decision results in play stopping (scrum, penalty, try scoring)

The penalty count was lopsided also,the bias was quite evident

 

[weststigers]

MCK call was a shocker.
Tapine call was a shocker.
Croker into touch was a shocker because Croker threw the ball at our guy before he even went into touch. Knock on!

But...Russell Packer cost us a try and a penalty goal with his idiotic play. If Madge doesn't drop him next week he's got issues.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I like the new rules but reckon there is a bit of making it up on the run by the refs ..you see things you think should be six again and it's not called then other times you think what the hell was that for especially early in the tackle count gets a 6 again you see same thing happen on tackle 4 eg marker in the ruck and it's let go..

The worrying thing is a ref and his interpretations are influencing games more than they should...It made it hard for us tonight...we let ourselves down

It felt like though the Raiders were being officiated different to us..

Yea but that’s the way it’s always been . It used to be if you got annelsey , you got a certain style of red , if you got ward you got another , if you got Harrigan , you got something different again. I’m ok with that , as it adds to the unpredictability. I think we are still dealing with the Arrogant refs of the last 5-10 years , still stuck in their “holier than thou “ attitude. That will go in time I reckon. It’s hard not feel after a game like that , that there’s some kind of conspiracy against us lol . Maybe Luke brooks called one of the Sutton’s a M- Fer , and they’re all dirty at us forever lol