Rules and refereeing

[voice_of_reason]

Graeme Annesley confirms Wests should have been allowed to challenge the penalty on Michael Chee Kam and that it would have been over turned

Yep that's a big help NOW!

Of course, the original 'passed off the ground' decision was wrong too so they should never have gotten a penalty to begin with. Being denied the challenge just rubs salt into the wound.

 

[TheDaBoss]

That twal stripping penalty was bullcrap

Twal had literally stripped the ball when it was called held

 

[jirskyr]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

 

[jirskyr]

They have tv cameras watching every moment of the game …

That doesn't make any sense. Who is viewing the TV camera footage to make a judgement on what constitutes a head knock or not? Is a palm in the face a head knock? What about an accidental elbow? What about being thrown backwards to the ground and landing with your head? What about going head-first in an attempt to make a tackle?

ETc. etc. all head knocks require assessment, you can't just pull off every bloke who takes a tap or hit or slap or glance or shove or push or palm or nick to the head. So it goes back to requiring an assessor.

Whether or not you agree to expand the ruling per my decision, you say you are in the interests of removing grey areas, which you don't achieve by attempting to withdraw 100% of head incidents from the field at the time they might occur. You'll have a million instances of blokes being fine and being forced off; even worse, potentially having to stop play whilst it happens. Terrible idea.

 

[hobbo1]

They have tv cameras watching every moment of the game …

That doesn't make any sense. Who is viewing the TV camera footage to make a judgement on what constitutes a head knock or not? Is a palm in the face a head knock? What about an accidental elbow? What about being thrown backwards to the ground and landing with your head? What about going head-first in an attempt to make a tackle?

ETc. etc. all head knocks require assessment, you can't just pull off every bloke who takes a tap or hit or slap or glance or shove or push or palm or nick to the head. So it goes back to requiring an assessor.

Whether or not you agree to expand the ruling per my decision, you say you are in the interests of removing grey areas, which you don't achieve by attempting to withdraw 100% of head incidents from the field at the time they might occur. You'll have a million instances of blokes being fine and being forced off; even worse, potentially having to stop play whilst it happens. Terrible idea.

Independent Doctors watch the game on a monitor on the sidelines ..
It’s a farce that it takes 2-3 sets of play before that players goes for a HIA

 

[cochise]

Something also needs to be done about the 'crusher' tackle.

When it is one, fair enough.

Far too much milking and rorting this rule.

Its ridiculous atm, a player twist into a position so his back is to the tackler and afte the tackle starts rubbing his neck. As soon as the penalty is given he jumps straight up, it annoys me so me so much.

 

[cochise]

I’m still not sold on these new rules ..it’s like the 9’s format imo

I don’t know any other sport to bastardise the rules so much as rugby league

100% agreement from me. To get a TV product up and running, Vlandys and others have screwed the reputation of the game by implementing seriously questionable policies. One ref is a disaster in terms of fairness, impartiality and consistency within and between games. To think people bet on this sport now? Why bother? Results will be determined by the "interpretation" of the rules that suit the mood and ego of the officiating ref. Their power and influence on outcomes is massive now.

Here we go with this TV product rubbish again.

I'm flattered you read my posts. Whether you understand them ....? Well, that's a different thing.

Understand them fully, just disagree. The new rules have improved the game 10 fold, do they need some refining? yes and I am sure that will happen.

 

[Geo]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

I see your argument..but feel if it's an act of foul play which is clear cut ..the game is generally stopped while the bunker reviews ..the player was whacked in the head and it doesn't cost the attacking team an interchange the player should come off to get assessed..if everything is sweet they are back on in 10 mins..

You might argue key players would then be targeted but the Ref then has the option to sin bin the offender or worse case send them off altogether..

That is different to a knock on the run..

 

[cochise]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

I see your argument..but feel if it's an act of foul play which is clear cut ..the game is generally stopped while the bunker reviews ..the player was whacked in the head and it doesn't cost the attacking team an interchange the player should come off to get assessed..if everything is sweet they are back on in 10 mins..

You might argue key players would then be targeted but the Ref then has the option to sin bin the offender or worse case send them off altogether..

That is different to a knock on the run..

Would it be possible to take the player to the sideline to do the onfield assessment, have a replacement go straight on, then if he passes the onfiled assessment he goes back on next opportunity to return? Would hopefully mean the game is stopped for less time. Probably wouldn't work though.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

I see your argument..but feel if it's an act of foul play which is clear cut ..the game is generally stopped while the bunker reviews ..the player was whacked in the head and it doesn't cost the attacking team an interchange the player should come off to get assessed..if everything is sweet they are back on in 10 mins..

You might argue key players would then be targeted but the Ref then has the option to sin bin the offender or worse case send them off altogether..

That is different to a knock on the run..

Would it be possible to take the player to the sideline to do the onfield assessment, have a replacement go straight on, then if he passes the onfiled assessment he goes back on next opportunity to return? Would hopefully mean the game is stopped for less time. Probably wouldn't work though.

^^^^this^^^^ there should be an 18th man for injuries . But once you use it , that’s it . You could even reduce the interchange to 6 , add the 18th man , so basically 7 interchanges . So this type of stuff doesn’t kill the game

 

[cochise]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

I see your argument..but feel if it's an act of foul play which is clear cut ..the game is generally stopped while the bunker reviews ..the player was whacked in the head and it doesn't cost the attacking team an interchange the player should come off to get assessed..if everything is sweet they are back on in 10 mins..

You might argue key players would then be targeted but the Ref then has the option to sin bin the offender or worse case send them off altogether..

That is different to a knock on the run..

Would it be possible to take the player to the sideline to do the onfield assessment, have a replacement go straight on, then if he passes the onfiled assessment he goes back on next opportunity to return? Would hopefully mean the game is stopped for less time. Probably wouldn't work though.

^^^^this^^^^ there should be an 18th man for injuries . But once you use it , that’s it . You could even reduce the interchange to 6 , add the 18th man , so basically 7 interchanges . So this type of stuff doesn’t kill the game

I'm not that keen on the 18th man, I love a game where a team is short on players and are fighting exhaustion to win the game. It's probably not pc, but they are stories our game is built on.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

I see your argument..but feel if it's an act of foul play which is clear cut ..the game is generally stopped while the bunker reviews ..the player was whacked in the head and it doesn't cost the attacking team an interchange the player should come off to get assessed..if everything is sweet they are back on in 10 mins..

You might argue key players would then be targeted but the Ref then has the option to sin bin the offender or worse case send them off altogether..

That is different to a knock on the run..

Would it be possible to take the player to the sideline to do the onfield assessment, have a replacement go straight on, then if he passes the onfiled assessment he goes back on next opportunity to return? Would hopefully mean the game is stopped for less time. Probably wouldn't work though.

^^^^this^^^^ there should be an 18th man for injuries . But once you use it , that’s it . You could even reduce the interchange to 6 , add the 18th man , so basically 7 interchanges . So this type of stuff doesn’t kill the game

I'm not that keen on the 18th man, I love a game where a team is short on players and are fighting exhaustion to win the game. It's probably not pc, but they are stories our game is built on.

Yep . I agree . I didn’t think about that . I’m just more thinking about the constant , bad faith , cheating teams do. The titans game was ridiculous . I watched them against Souths and it was the same crap . It’s clearly a tactic they are using

 

[JD Tiger]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

I see your argument..but feel if it's an act of foul play which is clear cut ..the game is generally stopped while the bunker reviews ..the player was whacked in the head and it doesn't cost the attacking team an interchange the player should come off to get assessed..if everything is sweet they are back on in 10 mins..

You might argue key players would then be targeted but the Ref then has the option to sin bin the offender or worse case send them off altogether..

That is different to a knock on the run..

Would it be possible to take the player to the sideline to do the onfield assessment, have a replacement go straight on, then if he passes the onfiled assessment he goes back on next opportunity to return? Would hopefully mean the game is stopped for less time. Probably wouldn't work though.

^^^^this^^^^ there should be an 18th man for injuries . But once you use it , that’s it . You could even reduce the interchange to 6 , add the 18th man , so basically 7 interchanges . So this type of stuff doesn’t kill the game

I'm not that keen on the 18th man, I love a game where a team is short on players and are fighting exhaustion to win the game. It's probably not pc, but they are stories our game is built on.

Yep . I agree . I didn’t think about that . I’m just more thinking about the constant , bad faith , cheating teams do. The titans game was ridiculous . I watched them against Souths and it was the same crap . It’s clearly a tactic they are using

And is the 18th man a back or a forward? Halfback, prop or fullback?
I like the idea though, progressive.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

I see your argument..but feel if it's an act of foul play which is clear cut ..the game is generally stopped while the bunker reviews ..the player was whacked in the head and it doesn't cost the attacking team an interchange the player should come off to get assessed..if everything is sweet they are back on in 10 mins..

You might argue key players would then be targeted but the Ref then has the option to sin bin the offender or worse case send them off altogether..

That is different to a knock on the run..

Would it be possible to take the player to the sideline to do the onfield assessment, have a replacement go straight on, then if he passes the onfiled assessment he goes back on next opportunity to return? Would hopefully mean the game is stopped for less time. Probably wouldn't work though.

^^^^this^^^^ there should be an 18th man for injuries . But once you use it , that’s it . You could even reduce the interchange to 6 , add the 18th man , so basically 7 interchanges . So this type of stuff doesn’t kill the game

I'm not that keen on the 18th man, I love a game where a team is short on players and are fighting exhaustion to win the game. It's probably not pc, but they are stories our game is built on.

Yep . I agree . I didn’t think about that . I’m just more thinking about the constant , bad faith , cheating teams do. The titans game was ridiculous . I watched them against Souths and it was the same crap . It’s clearly a tactic they are using

And is the 18th man a back or a forward? Halfback, prop or fullback?
I like the idea though, progressive.

Well that’s up to the coach I guess . You’d think the Chee Kams of the world would be like Gold. Even a big bodied centre

 

[Guest]

Another rule that's giving me the irrits is the head injury assessment..

After Tapine got clocked by Packer he stayed on the field for 2 sets of 6 Canberra had the ball...Wests Tigers then got the ball and were getting a bit of a roll on ..On the 4th tackle of a set around half way after some good runs the ref stops play citing the trainer has called for a HIA and Tapine leaves the field..any momentum destroyed..

Just like the Titans player cramping up the week before.

 

[LARDS]

Graeme Annesley confirms Wests should have been allowed to challenge the penalty on Michael Chee Kam and that it would have been over turned

I can understand the ref making the wrong call on the pass. He is under fatigue etc blah blah.
But it's unforgivable for him to say it is not challengeable. If this bloke doesn't know the rules then he shouldn't be there.

 

[jadtiger]

Graeme Annesley confirms Wests should have been allowed to challenge the penalty on Michael Chee Kam and that it would have been over turned

I can understand the ref making the wrong call on the pass. He is under fatigue etc blah blah.
But it's unforgivable for him to say it is not challengeable. If this bloke doesn't know the rules then he shouldn't be there.

His name is Sutton so he dosent need to know the rules because the rest of the family are clueless as well

 

[cochise]

ut there was time for the Raiders to kick the penalty goal and he was deemed OK the some 16 tackles later when not even in possession the game was stopped for him to leave the field

That could be a call from the sideline medic however?

Also there might be legitimate cases where the player passes the first on-field assessment but then displays delayed symptoms 5 minutes later.

I see your argument..but feel if it's an act of foul play which is clear cut ..the game is generally stopped while the bunker reviews ..the player was whacked in the head and it doesn't cost the attacking team an interchange the player should come off to get assessed..if everything is sweet they are back on in 10 mins..

You might argue key players would then be targeted but the Ref then has the option to sin bin the offender or worse case send them off altogether..

That is different to a knock on the run..

Would it be possible to take the player to the sideline to do the onfield assessment, have a replacement go straight on, then if he passes the onfiled assessment he goes back on next opportunity to return? Would hopefully mean the game is stopped for less time. Probably wouldn't work though.

^^^^this^^^^ there should be an 18th man for injuries . But once you use it , that’s it . You could even reduce the interchange to 6 , add the 18th man , so basically 7 interchanges . So this type of stuff doesn’t kill the game

I'm not that keen on the 18th man, I love a game where a team is short on players and are fighting exhaustion to win the game. It's probably not pc, but they are stories our game is built on.

Or maybe a game where the single ref is exhausted and makes bad decisions and it costs teams a win?? That's a great game. It's called rugba league. Bet on it (but gamble responsibly).

lol.......