Sam Burgess

[happy_tiger]

Looking at the rules for relief due to medical retirement there is no way the NRL are going to give us any leeway on Matulino. He had a preexisting injury and it won't matter how many games he played for us without missing a game as it could have been reasonably predicted that the pre existing injury would eventually cause his retirement.

Do we actually know how many players have been successfully medically retired in the NRL era?

Watmong and Brett Stewart, the article says, were not awarded. Burgess signed a new contract for 4 years on 04/Sep/18.

Just a bit of research tells you that, at the very least, Burgess had shoulder issues in October 2018 when he withdrew from the England side after the end of the season. It does not specify which shoulder. In 2011 he injured a shoulder in his second year with Souths, and missed basically the entire season after doing his ankle on return.

As of 2016 Burgess had had two shoulder reconstructions on his R shoulder. The SMH report from 2 weeks ago says it's a chronic issue and relates to previous reconstructions, which intimates that it's the same R shoulder. Though, of course, in poor journalism, nobody actually states which shoulder it is, not SMH or Fox or NRL.com.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/burgess-retirement-could-leave-souths-millions-short-in-salary-cap-20191010-p52zhm.html

But every single story says either "chronic" or "degenerative". Burgess has had as many shoulder issues as young Benji did, in my head his name is synonymous with "bung shoulder".

I can't see any way that, per the rules published, Rabbits could get a salary cap exemption on the basis of shoulder retirement.

Now Matulino we know has had long-standing knee issues of one kind or another. Only a medical expert can say whether the current career-threatening injury is related to those or not. It certainly not correct to say "he's previously had knee injuries therefore the new knee injury is related", because it may be an entirely unrelated issue, just in the same area.

But, as @diedpretty noted, the NRL seem rather particular about predictable or degenerative conditions, which I would guess is a pretty big issue regarding joints. If you want to be strict about it, any injury to a joint is in all likelihood subjecting the player to predictable risk in the future. So if you do your ACL once, I believe you are always at some increased risk of further ACL, or destabilisation of the joint puts pressure on other issues like medial ligament, PCL, knee cartilage etc.

It was the same shoulder he had the issue with the staph infection nearing season's end

 

[OzLuke]

we all know that he'll get medically retired in about 5 minutes....don't kid yourselves.....

as for the avo? who cares? it's not really news to be honest...who cares if he's split up or his shoulder is banged up or anything.....

 

[Russell]

If its Souffs - different rules apply.

Pretty sure it is a preexisting, done before he signed his new contract. Pretty sure Toddy will sign off on this.

If its Tigers - different rules apply.

Pretty sure we will get knocked back by Toddy on Matulino.

In the interests of fairness, of course.

 

[rustycage]

By AAP
6:28am Oct 21, 2019

An incident at a property in the NSW Southern Highlands involving NRL star Sam Burgess is being investigated by police. The South Sydney captain recently split with wife of almost four years Phoebe, according to media reports, whose family is believed to have a property in Bowral.
An AVO application involving Burgess is due to come before Moss Vale Local Court on November 6.

NRL and South Sydney Rabbitohs star Sam Burgess will appear in court after an AVO was filed against him by his father-in-law. (AAP) The matter is listed as being made by NSW Police on behalf of Burgess' father-in-law Mitchell Hooke. "Police are investigating an incident at a property near Bowral shortly before 5pm yesterday," a police spokeswoman said today. "There are no reports of any injuries."

If Im reading this right, it's likely Burgess the dog has had a few shandies too many and got into a scrap of sorts with ol' daddy-o. Cops have been called, and dadsy has probably made accusations of being on the receiving end of one of Sammys famed squirrel grips.

 

[TYGA]

If its Souffs - different rules apply.

Pretty sure it is a preexisting, done before he signed his new contract. Pretty sure Toddy will sign off on this.

If its Tigers - different rules apply.

Pretty sure we will get knocked back by Toddy on Matulino.

In the interests of fairness, of course.

Very good timing for Tigers precedent was set by Inglis. They will approve Matulino and Burgess.

 

[Russell]

If its Souffs - different rules apply.

Pretty sure it is a preexisting, done before he signed his new contract. Pretty sure Toddy will sign off on this.

If its Tigers - different rules apply.

Pretty sure we will get knocked back by Toddy on Matulino.

In the interests of fairness, of course.

Very good timing for Tigers precedent was set by Inglis. They will approve Matulino and Burgess.

Wish I shared your optimism.

We are talking "Pride of the League" as against "the Tigers, out of sight, out of mind," aren't we?

 

[tony soprano]

Here we go again, the only thing to prevent it from happening is sams ego, sure he’d still like to play, how old is he?

 

[OzLuke]

good to see that Slammin Sam's shoulder is fine while carrying that young lady on his shoulders while partying in Mexico.....

Way to throw a 3.whatever million dollar spanner in the works.....

 

[Snake]

Will the pictures in the paper today with Burgess carrying around women on his shoulders jumping up and down really mean the damage to his shoulders is rubbish... I am sure the insurance company has taken note ! Those shoulders certainly seem shot...

 

[OzLuke]

Will the pictures in the paper today with Burgess carrying around women on his shoulders jumping up and down really mean the damage to his shoulders is rubbish... I am sure the insurance company has taken note ! Those shoulders certainly seem shot...

certainly....but for some circumstances you do just play through the pain....I'm sure a lot of guys would've had a strong upper lip when that situation presented itself for Sam.....I also acknowledge that I didn't want to use the word stiff either in regards to Sam and that lady he was shouldering......

 

[tony soprano]

good to see that Slammin Sam's shoulder is fine while carrying that young lady on his shoulders while partying in Mexico.....

Way to throw a 3.whatever million dollar spanner in the works.....

What’s he going to do with himself if he retires?

 

[Tiger_Steve]

good to see that Slammin Sam's shoulder is fine while carrying that young lady on his shoulders while partying in Mexico.....

Way to throw a 3.whatever million dollar spanner in the works.....

What’s he going to do with himself if he retires?

I’ve heard he’s going into photography

 

[TheDaBoss]

good to see that Slammin Sam's shoulder is fine while carrying that young lady on his shoulders while partying in Mexico.....

Way to throw a 3.whatever million dollar spanner in the works.....

What’s he going to do with himself if he retires?

I’ve heard he’s going into photography

Intresting..... i dont think i will be paying him to do my wedding photos

 

[Snake]

@tony-soprano Could get his mate the Crowe to see if there is any upcoming Tarzan scripts available as he has the loin cloth in Tiger print to go!

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Sam needs to straighten himself out. Would you rather have a future in Northern England in winter or on a property in Bowral with Phoebe?

 

[WT2K]

Souths Sydney poised to announce Sam Burgess‘ retirement later today. Souths have been in discussions with NRL over salary cap allowances. Sad end to a great rugby league career. Expect Matt Gillett and Broncos to follow suit as early as tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1189333211802931200?s=19

 

[851]

Souths Sydney poised to announce Sam Burgess‘ retirement later today. Souths have been in discussions with NRL over salary cap allowances. Sad end to a great rugby league career. Expect Matt Gillett and Broncos to follow suit as early as tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1189333211802931200?s=19

Sad that the NRL will quickly sign off on this with cap relief, meanwhile we are playing $330k under the cap and have been fighting Matulino's case for months, NRL favourites to the front of the line

 

[WT2K]

Souths Sydney poised to announce Sam Burgess‘ retirement later today. Souths have been in discussions with NRL over salary cap allowances. Sad end to a great rugby league career. Expect Matt Gillett and Broncos to follow suit as early as tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/brentread_7/status/1189333211802931200?s=19

Sad that the NRL will quickly sign off on this with cap relief, meanwhile we are playing $330k under the cap and have been fighting Matulino's case for months, NRL favourites to the front of the line

One rule for some and another rule for everyone else

 

[jadtiger]

As usual Turdbergs favourites no problem everybody else dont waste your time

 

[Curly_Tiger]

It's all a bit vague. If he retires and he doesn't get paid, then all is fine
If Souths pay him out for the balance of his career, it's a super dodgy area and one the NRL need to clearly identify the rules on. The whole situation around pre-existing conditions v new injuries is open to all sort of interpretation leading to inconsistencies that supporters can blow up about