Sam Burgess

[weststigerman]

and u make it sound as if it is bad!!

its a good way to get good players that others cant afford.. eg Payton

No doubt it's good if you can get away with it.

However, unlike Payten, there would be a number of clubs willing to pay all of Lima's wages IMO.

We've missed out on players like Asotasi, Monaghan, now Burgess, and theres heaps of others. I have no inside info, but I'd imagine we constantly miss out these players because we're always trying to get the cheapest possible deal. Sometimes you have to pay players what they're worth (and sometimes a bit more) to sign them.

 

[Hbom]

I won't be losing sleep over missing out on Burgess. Not proven in the NRL, probably asking quite a lot. Would rather sign Lima.

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

good luck to soufs. i wont be losing an sleep either. Not many players can do what ellis is doing week in week out. like you said burgess is unproven. ad yes i too would rather Lima any day of the week.

 

[angeman]

3rd party payments from companies who are not current sponsors of the club are exempt of the salary cap. this has been confirmed by david gallop at last year's member forum and so, essentially, the potential for players wages is uncapped providing the above criteria is met and the club / player can be shown to be doing something (i.e. advertising / public speaking / corporate events) to justify receiving such payments.

this is how soufffs and some teams are able to top up player wages and sign so many rep players. i'd assume we do the exact same but if some teams have stronger corporate supporters (i.e. Brisbane's Thoroughbreds) this may be quite helpful. i guess only the NRL will know the details of such arrangements.

There are limits on third party sponsors. It's not uncapped otherwise you'd have no salary cap. And the things you mention are included. Quite rigorously

actually mate david gallop confirmed last year that limits only apply to current sponsors of the club (from memory $150k. this was confirmed at the members forum. if a club is a current sponsor then payments are capped. otherwise unlimited if not a current sponsor and the club can justify a player working for the money. it is just hard to arrange that's why player wages aren't through the roof. cheers.

 

[Yossarian]

3rd party payments from companies who are not current sponsors of the club are exempt of the salary cap. this has been confirmed by david gallop at last year's member forum and so, essentially, the potential for players wages is uncapped providing the above criteria is met and the club / player can be shown to be doing something (i.e. advertising / public speaking / corporate events) to justify receiving such payments.

this is how soufffs and some teams are able to top up player wages and sign so many rep players. i'd assume we do the exact same but if some teams have stronger corporate supporters (i.e. Brisbane's Thoroughbreds) this may be quite helpful. i guess only the NRL will know the details of such arrangements.

There are limits on third party sponsors. It's not uncapped otherwise you'd have no salary cap. And the things you mention are included. Quite rigorously

actually mate david gallop confirmed last year that limits only apply to current sponsors of the club (from memory $150k. this was confirmed at the members forum. if a club is a current sponsor then payments are capped. otherwise unlimited if not a current sponsor and the club can justify a player working for the money. it is just hard to arrange that's why player wages aren't through the roof. cheers.

Yes but the examples you give clearly show a relationship between the 3rd party and the player. If Souths or Brisbane arranged it they aren't genuine third party sponsors and its not going to be approved. Say for instance Rusty convinces Disney to give Roy Asotasi $150 000 to promote a new Lion King film. Even if Disney aren't a club sponsor its still not going to fly.

Same with the Thoroughbreds. Clearly they are linked to the club even if the link isn't direct.

If you mean KFC hire Mick Crocker to promote its chicken and this happens independently of Souths then yeah that's not limited.

 

[softlaw]

Yes but the examples you give clearly show a relationship between the 3rd party and the player. If Souths or Brisbane arranged it they aren't genuine third party sponsors and its not going to be approved. Say for instance Rusty convinces Disney to give Roy Asotasi $150 000 to promote a new Lion King film. Even if Disney aren't a club sponsor its still not going to fly.

Same with the Thoroughbreds. Clearly they are linked to the club even if the link isn't direct.

If you mean KFC hire Mick Crocker to promote its chicken and this happens independently of Souths then yeah that's not limited.

_**Should**_ not be approved Yossarian. Thats a huge difference when you can pay lawyers & accountants what rusty, the thouroughbreds, delmege, politis etc. obviously can.

 

[Geo]

you left off one….....what about what News Limited pump into the Storm...........

Inglis, Slater, Cronk, Smith, White, Hoffman, Blair, Lima, Johnson, Manu,Turner,Quinn...Oh and they managed to squeeze Finch in..

Yes the have cheap talent and a lot of them wouldn't be on that much.....but in the fair dinkum department their top 6 would take up a lot of thier cap...

The NRL (sorry News Limited) need the Storm to be continually successful...........no one is going to tell me they are not Rorting the cap and have been for quite a while.....

Arrh......Good Luck to Burgess at the Rabbithoes.....hope we smash him..........

 

[alex]

We had so many things going for us.

*Playmakers like Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah - surely had to be some interest there from Burgess
*A successful and experienced strength and conditioning coach in Folkes - couldve gotten the best out of him
*Gareth Ellis - the pommy connection may have been something that benefitted Burgess. 4 years is a long time to spend away from home.
*The Australian Coach - sure, it doesnt affect him selection wise, but there has to be some merit in playing under the most experienced NRL coach
*Pretty much couldve guaranteed him a starting spot. At Souths he'll be behind Dave Taylor who's in incredible form and captain Roy for the starting spots.

Seems we had so many things to pitch at him but the negotiations fall through :frowning:

 

[Illek]

He will probably play in the backrow I'd say as they seem to have to many props.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Who cares about Sam Burgess?

He's signed with Souths, big deal - lets talk about things that affect the tigers!

 

[Glennb]

Who cares about Sam Burgess?

He's signed with Souths, big deal - lets talk about things that affect the tigers!

Not that it is confirmed but I'd take Lima & Cayless before an untested Burgess every day.

To me it is not a given that pommy talent translates to success here, I think Ellis is a golden gift.

They are not all going to be like Ellis.
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Glenn

 

[Raptor]

Who cares about Sam Burgess?

He's signed with Souths, big deal - lets talk about things that affect the tigers!

thats what i was thinking 11 pages on a player that has signed for another club..

 

[alexaki]

211 posts, 11 pages and over 11k views on a player that was signed by Souths! ok…close this one out boys!

 

[Yossarian]

Yes but the examples you give clearly show a relationship between the 3rd party and the player. If Souths or Brisbane arranged it they aren't genuine third party sponsors and its not going to be approved. Say for instance Rusty convinces Disney to give Roy Asotasi $150 000 to promote a new Lion King film. Even if Disney aren't a club sponsor its still not going to fly.

Same with the Thoroughbreds. Clearly they are linked to the club even if the link isn't direct.

If you mean KFC hire Mick Crocker to promote its chicken and this happens independently of Souths then yeah that's not limited.

_**Should**_ not be approved Yossarian. Thats a huge difference when you can pay lawyers & accountants what rusty, the thouroughbreds, delmege, politis etc. obviously can.

Good point. If Schubert still does it he was pretty strong on those things - I more worry about the things he doesn't know about - brown paper bag or off shore. Having worked in the UK I'm sure Rusty has been paid in an off shore account a few times.

 

[Guest]

And now that Burgess has made up his mind, this thread is now closed.