SBS journalist sacked

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

WW1
WW2
War in Iraq

All were as a result of the instigators fighting for resources and power.

I don't buy this whole fighting for our protection and freedom crap.

In the last year when there has been a need for a war or protection of people ( threat of ISIS) these so called fighters for peace, freedom and democracy have gone missing. If that isn't proof then I don't know what is..

Yes but the instigators of WW1,WW2 and Iraq were all defeated by those not fighting for resources or power.You must not watch much media outlets Tony if you dont believe the ISIS threat isnt now being fought by many around the world unfortunately they were just about twenty years too late.

WW1 - Everyone was fighting for power and resources. Australian troops died fighting for Britain's resources and power. Interestingly Britain ended up taking control of Iraq and the oil it needed to switch from coal powered machines to oil run mechanics.

Iraq - America instigated the war by invading Iraq in search for "weapons of mass destruction" they didn't end up finding. Instead giving rise to more destructive groups like we are seeing with ISIS. If you don't believe America invaded for the oil then you're pretty naive Jerry.

ISIS - Why didn't America invade and wipe them out in 2-3 days rather than prolong their existence ? They were so eager to go in when Sudam Hussein was apparently a threat but not so much this time. Then again how would petrol be so cheap today ?

That is my limited knowledge of wars but I'm sure there are many others founded on the longing for resources and power..
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They were to eradicate evil.Never heard of Hitler or Saddam Hussein.I hate wars.But sadly sometimes they are a necessary evil.You and a lot of people say the US invaded Iraq for oil well America already had a s$$$load of it and as the richest country on earth what do they really have to gain by going to iraq when they are already strong allies of Saudi Arabia.Remember the first Iraq war when Saddam invaded kuwait and the Americans beat iraq in a few weeks they didnt take over all the oil reserves then and nor are they now.Its just a convenient excuse for the Western Hating masses.Tony I respect your view re Middle east and its problems as I know its your background etc but the west is not as bad as you make it

j.Remember if palestine laid down their guns there would be peace if Israel laid down their guns there would be no Israel.These wars we see all around the world at the moment have stemmed from hatred from the middle east not the west or Israel or anything so I think it a little odd you try to get all anti American on this topic.As you have told me previously its not Americas fault you and your family left the middle east its people from your exact blood but of another religion.

You see war is a very sensitive issue for intelligent Australians because of their sacrifices they made so we can live freely not because we are full of war mongering animals.There is a reason Australia WAS and is the safest place on earth(Despite a certain ISIS mobs best intentions).You must remember tony I realise you are a good bloke and also let it be known that if ISIS ever did endanger you or your family out of all the "friends" you have that agree with you on this thread it would be me who would be there fighting by your side as your friends ran for the nearest tree.
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Jerry mate this has nothing to do with the West vs Middle East. None of these wars affected me directly or my family directly so my viewpoint is just an opinion formed based on what I know. My comments are in regards to war as a whole. I just believe that war is a tool used to benefit those who instigate it and then try and sell it as something else.

That is my opinion, if you agree awesome, if not then so be it. We all view the world with different perspectives based on what we have seen, heard and read.
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I agree with most of what you just wrote mate and I can see your a good bloke and I bet your family taught you about showing a bit of respect for your elders unlike some of the twenty something loudmouth scumbags(FROM THE WEST :laughing: )That I have had to argue with on this thread.You say none of these wars affected you or your family personally but you have told me before Tony that your family migrated to Australia due to the Lebanese civil war.But not here to go on about that as I dont mean to disrespect you or your family in any way as I for one am glad you and your family are here mate as you are a great bloke who has contributed greatly to this country.

Another thing Tony let there be no illusions one of the reasons ISIS(the cult group you and I both hate with a passion) are a threat in Australia today is because of the exact type of views of the politically correct posters on this exact thread.You know the ones who have neg repped me on this topic.They dont know it and as you and I both know they are too fresh(no worldly type of experience unlike you and I) to see it but they are some of ISIS best friends.

 

[Tony33]

WW1
WW2
War in Iraq

All were as a result of the instigators fighting for resources and power.

I don't buy this whole fighting for our protection and freedom crap.

In the last year when there has been a need for a war or protection of people ( threat of ISIS) these so called fighters for peace, freedom and democracy have gone missing. If that isn't proof then I don't know what is..

Yes but the instigators of WW1,WW2 and Iraq were all defeated by those not fighting for resources or power.You must not watch much media outlets Tony if you dont believe the ISIS threat isnt now being fought by many around the world unfortunately they were just about twenty years too late.

WW1 - Everyone was fighting for power and resources. Australian troops died fighting for Britain's resources and power. Interestingly Britain ended up taking control of Iraq and the oil it needed to switch from coal powered machines to oil run mechanics.

Iraq - America instigated the war by invading Iraq in search for "weapons of mass destruction" they didn't end up finding. Instead giving rise to more destructive groups like we are seeing with ISIS. If you don't believe America invaded for the oil then you're pretty naive Jerry.

ISIS - Why didn't America invade and wipe them out in 2-3 days rather than prolong their existence ? They were so eager to go in when Sudam Hussein was apparently a threat but not so much this time. Then again how would petrol be so cheap today ?

That is my limited knowledge of wars but I'm sure there are many others founded on the longing for resources and power..
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They were to eradicate evil.Never heard of Hitler or Saddam Hussein.I hate wars.But sadly sometimes they are a necessary evil.You and a lot of people say the US invaded Iraq for oil well America already had a s$$$load of it and as the richest country on earth what do they really have to gain by going to iraq when they are already strong allies of Saudi Arabia.Remember the first Iraq war when Saddam invaded kuwait and the Americans beat iraq in a few weeks they didnt take over all the oil reserves then and nor are they now.Its just a convenient excuse for the Western Hating masses.Tony I respect your view re Middle east and its problems as I know its your background etc but the west is not as bad as you make it

j.Remember if palestine laid down their guns there would be peace if Israel laid down their guns there would be no Israel.These wars we see all around the world at the moment have stemmed from hatred from the middle east not the west or Israel or anything so I think it a little odd you try to get all anti American on this topic.As you have told me previously its not Americas fault you and your family left the middle east its people from your exact blood but of another religion.

You see war is a very sensitive issue for intelligent Australians because of their sacrifices they made so we can live freely not because we are full of war mongering animals.There is a reason Australia WAS and is the safest place on earth(Despite a certain ISIS mobs best intentions).You must remember tony I realise you are a good bloke and also let it be known that if ISIS ever did endanger you or your family out of all the "friends" you have that agree with you on this thread it would be me who would be there fighting by your side as your friends ran for the nearest tree.
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Jerry mate this has nothing to do with the West vs Middle East. None of these wars affected me directly or my family directly so my viewpoint is just an opinion formed based on what I know. My comments are in regards to war as a whole. I just believe that war is a tool used to benefit those who instigate it and then try and sell it as something else.

That is my opinion, if you agree awesome, if not then so be it. We all view the world with different perspectives based on what we have seen, heard and read.
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I agree with most of what you just wrote mate and I can see your a good bloke and I bet your family taught you about showing a bit of respect for your elders unlike some of the twenty something loudmouth scumbags(FROM THE WEST :laughing: )That I have had to argue with on this thread.You say none of these wars affected you or your family personally but you have told me before Tony that your family migrated to Australia due to the Lebanese civil war.But not here to go on about that as I dont mean to disrespect you or your family in any way as I for one am glad you and your family are here mate as you are a great bloke who has contributed greatly to this country.

Another thing Tony let there be no illusions one of the reasons ISIS(the cult group you and I both hate with a passion) are a threat in Australia today is because of the exact type of views of the politically correct posters on this exact thread.You know the ones who have neg repped me on this topic.They dont know it and as you and I both know they are too fresh(no worldly type of experience unlike you and I) to see it but they are some of ISIS best friends.

Yes Jerry they were hugely affected by the Lebanese Civil war which had nothing to do with the West vs Middle East debate you were implying my comment stemmed from.

However that particular war re-empahsises the point I was trying to make about how wars come down to a power struggle. The country was thrown into turmoil for years because different religious groups wanted to run the country their way and as they say the rest is history.

As for my opinion on the Middle East vs America debate you mentioned, here is a snippet of information in a condensed video which practically shapes my perspective. It is actually a pretty good watch which I just recently came across however it pretty much sums up my views.

It is a video made my Americans and backed up by facts so you can't really say it is anti-america or whatever…

http://uplife.in/watch-how-usa-made-isis-very-very-shocking/

 

[Ed_Reschs]

He gets sacked and ridiculed for voicing his opinion??
ANZAC celebration is RIDICULOUS , to glorify these "heros" whose intentions well before leaving the country were to arrive to foreign countries and kill other humans to save the illusory identity of "culture" and "nationality" is immature and embarrassing as a species. This is why humanity is going backwards for we educate our next generation to make heros out of soldiers and therefore in war there is something to be achieved and accomplished leaving you respected. "Lest we forget" I'd rather forget about such an idiotic time frame within human history and move on. But as always, sheep will follow and unfortunately as i can see it in my dad, his generation are full of bogans built off culture and therefore wont even question its origin and illusory nature.

No dramas bud. So respecting the memory of blokes who gave their lives so you could live in a democracy today is ridiculous, immature and embarrassing? Yes it's any wonder humanity is going backwards. You sure you shouldn't be on the Bulldogs forum?

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[fergiefurr]

lol god I love the lefties

'Let him have freedom of speech!!!'

Yet if he had of come out and said anything like the following:

'Women should be seen and not heard, back to the kitchen!'

'God hates f*gs, gay marriage is a sin'

'All Muslims are terrorists, I support a white Australia policy'

They would want him sacked Immediently. Yet because he comes out and says something that isn't part of a majority, it's all 'freedom of speech.'

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[Peaking]

just to lighten things up abit. this blokes got it spot on. :laughing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hpi1zanT_U

 

[PYMBLEPETE]

Right on the money Fergie. And this on the day when it is reported the Labor Party is moving to a position binding MPs to vote for gay marriage. This is not an argument one way or the other on that subject, simply illustrating what you say that if it doesnt suit the Left there is no freedom of speech then. Same deal with them trying to close down Bjorn Lomborg's institute at the uni in WA. Hypocrites of the highest order.

 

[cktiger]

He gets sacked and ridiculed for voicing his opinion??
ANZAC celebration is RIDICULOUS , to glorify these "heros" whose intentions well before leaving the country were to arrive to foreign countries and kill other humans to save the illusory identity of "culture" and "nationality" is immature and embarrassing as a species. This is why humanity is going backwards for we educate our next generation to make heros out of soldiers and therefore in war there is something to be achieved and accomplished leaving you respected. "Lest we forget" I'd rather forget about such an idiotic time frame within human history and move on. But as always, sheep will follow and unfortunately as i can see it in my dad, his generation are full of bogans built off culture and therefore wont even question its origin and illusory nature.

The moron got sacked for voicing a personal opinion under the banner of his employer.
You get to voice your opinion without fear of anything (except people feeling sorry for your inane comments).
By the way, say hello to your bogan dad for us and please pass on our sympathies for having a son like you.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

At the end of the day, whether the bloke is entitled to freedom of speech or not is irrelevant. The timing was piss poor and incendiary and he played it for maximum effect.

The bloke deserved to lose his job.

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[Jerry_Seinfeld]

lol god I love the lefties

'Let him have freedom of speech!!!'

Yet if he had of come out and said anything like the following:

'Women should be seen and not heard, back to the kitchen!'

'God hates f*gs, gay marriage is a sin'

'All Muslims are terrorists, I support a white Australia policy'

They would want him sacked Immediently. Yet because he comes out and says something that isn't part of a majority, it's all 'freedom of speech.'

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You see the left has been infiltrated and completely disease ridden with these self absorbed power hungry elitist bastards who just want to play politics with everything.The right has now become full of the masses who couldnt care less about politics but rather the keeping of a Australias values but they have realised in order to do this they must get more politically minded to destroy the scum that call themselves the Australian hating left.This from a long time left voter who in the last few elections has seen the left for what it has become….. Rudd,Costa,Tripodi,Obeid and co as slimy as hell and as Anti Australian as they come.

 

[DonnyBrasco]

These sorts of threads always get hijacked by neocon lunatics.
History might be written by the victors but you won't learn its lessons unless you come at it with an unbiased view.
You are no better at remembering the.memory of fallen soldiers because you scream about it the loudest.

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[goldcoast_tiger]

At the end of the day, people like this SBS "journalist" and our own Lakra have the right and ability to say whatever it is they would like to say because of the sacrifice of people like the Anzacs.

If not for them and people like them and we were now under a communist regime or nazi or Japanese (who by the way probably committed more atrocities on non Japanese people across Asia during WW2 than any group of ANZAC's would ever have perpetrated) it is doubtful they would have the same freedom of speech that they enjoy now.

And as an aside, whilst I disagree with both of their comments wholeheartedly, I defend their right to say it. However, I also appreciate the right of SBS to have their own view on the perception of its employees and their public face. They asked him to remove the "offensive" tweets, which he refused to do and was therefore sacked. I have no problem with that. I don't know of any company that would be happy to be associated with that sort of comment - he should have used his own private platform and not that of his employer.

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Well said Dazza, and appreciate the fact that it was done without personal attacks, name calling, or over the top hysterics.

 

[thesquid]

Got to say Lara, that the following from you is the dumbest thing I have ever heard

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2\. That whole "if it wasnt for them you wouldnt etc etc" we have no idea what the world would have been like had the opposition won and as we can see our current world is not so great with 20,000 children dying per day with 15 dying per minute due to poverty and we are STILL AT WAR. Spending all our energy, effort, intelligence on technology that kills rather then innovation for technology that provides basic substantial living for every individual alive today
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Not everyone is a self loathing lefty who wants someone, anyone, to take over their pathetic existence and make it better.

Man up, take control of your own life and make it better. If ANZAC 2 came along, ill be there and be handing you over because you would love them to make your life better.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

For you Happy:

Telegraph article. First time I have bought the Terrorgraph in years.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/leonard-walter-jackson-put-his-age-up-to-join-army-before-seeing-action-and-returning-home-with-father-he-served-alongside/story-fni0cx4q-1227319008314

War Memorial blogger article from 2009:

https://www.awm.gov.au/blog/2009/03/18/wwi-for-this-sydney-family-it-was-on-for-young-and-old/

Poor bugger survived the war only to suffer from a diseased kidney, have the quacks take out the wrong one and die of renal failure. He was only in his mid 40's and left my poor great grandmother to raise three young daughters on her own.

EDIT: found his enlistment record for when he enlisted for his second tour, he lied about his age again and said he was 21.

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8013315&S=1

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Well Jerry I can honestly say I have never heard anything about what you are talking about in regards to people PMing others and whinging behind your back

If you have got issues with that I suggest you contact any of the MODs and they will help you as best they can to solve these problems

I just didnt think it was worth my efforts to worry about a few clowns happy.

It couldn't have been me. Ask Forevertiger he knows I don't reply to PM's :laughing:

Couldn't have been me either . Think I've only sent one PM since I've been on here,
Besides , if I thought you were a right wing twit, I'd tell you to your face lol

 

[Geo]

PM Gate…There needs to be an investigation into this...

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

FMD… Is Jerry Ron Burgandy rebooted?

Same messianic complex...

 

[Tigerdave]

extremists on both sides, the left and the right

calling Australia’s involvement in the World Wars an “imperialist invasion of a foreign nation”.

As opposed to Germany's, Hungary's and Japan and Italy for WW2, legitimate invasions?

Later tweets read: “Wonder if the poorly-read, largely white, nationalist drinkers and gamblers pause today to consider the horror that all mankind suffered.”

because you can read people's minds? You don't think plenty marching and watching the march were considering? and what's with the ad homs?

“Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these ‘brave’ Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan,” said another post.

Really? and you've got evidence to back that up I assume? Yes there did appear to be killing of Japanese soldiers and sure theft was common, but widespread rape? widespread?

McIntyre added: “Not forgetting that the largest single-day terrorist attacks in history were committed by this nation & their allies in Hiroshima & Nagasaki.”

simplistic view by a clearly simplistic person, yes play the victim card without looking at the big picture, makes it far easier eh?
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He is free to say what he wants for sure. The SBS is also free to look after it's "product" and do what they did. People are also free to say how they feel about this idiot and yes he's an idiot. Not exactly for what he said, but the timing. Clearly he didn't expect there to be any consequences, how stupid do you have to be to NOT expect a backlash and potentially lose your job?

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

PM Gate…There needs to be an investigation into this...

I'm sure this goes deeper than any of us knows :rant

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

extremists on both sides, the left and the right

calling Australia’s involvement in the World Wars an “imperialist invasion of a foreign nation”.

As opposed to Germany's, Hungary's and Japan and Italy for WW2, legitimate invasions?

Later tweets read: “Wonder if the poorly-read, largely white, nationalist drinkers and gamblers pause today to consider the horror that all mankind suffered.”

because you can read people's minds? You don't think plenty marching and watching the march were considering? and what's with the ad homs?

“Remembering the summary execution, widespread rape and theft committed by these ‘brave’ Anzacs in Egypt, Palestine and Japan,” said another post.

Really? and you've got evidence to back that up I assume? Yes there did appear to be killing of Japanese soldiers and sure theft was common, but widespread rape? widespread?

McIntyre added: “Not forgetting that the largest single-day terrorist attacks in history were committed by this nation & their allies in Hiroshima & Nagasaki.”

simplistic view by a clearly simplistic person, yes play the victim card without looking at the big picture, makes it far easier eh?
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He is free to say what he wants for sure. The SBS is also free to look after it's "product" and do what they did. People are also free to say how they feel about this idiot and yes he's an idiot. Not exactly for what he said, but the timing. Clearly he didn't expect there to be any consequences, how stupid do you have to be to NOT expect a backlash and potentially lose your job?

Best comments in the whole thread.

 

[happy_tiger]

For you Happy:

Telegraph article. First time I have bought the Terrorgraph in years.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/leonard-walter-jackson-put-his-age-up-to-join-army-before-seeing-action-and-returning-home-with-father-he-served-alongside/story-fni0cx4q-1227319008314

War Memorial blogger article from 2009:

https://www.awm.gov.au/blog/2009/03/18/wwi-for-this-sydney-family-it-was-on-for-young-and-old/

Poor bugger survived the war only to suffer from a diseased kidney, have the quacks take out the wrong one and die of renal failure. He was only in his mid 40's and left my poor great grandmother to raise three young daughters on her own.

EDIT: found his enlistment record for when he enlisted for his second tour, he lied about his age again and said he was 21.

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8013315&S=1

Thanks for posting that CB

Amazing story , and proves how much we trusted in what we were told back then

Now you'd need 100 points of ID just to open a bank account , let alone lay your life on the line