Sheens confirms Brooks/Madge 'Issues'

[Coastie_Tiger]

I actually think this is an easy time for Sheens to do interviews. He’s in control and does it on his ear! Wait until some losses mount up, then there’ll be harder questions.

Not necessarily he’s already stated his 3 year vision, I thought he controlled the narrative well the old piss head was just digging for dirt. Even the Brooks Madge thing I think we all knew it wasn’t roses but now it’s out there it’s on Brooks to perform it’s open for debate as to whether he tanked the last game vs the dogs this year.

 

[tig_prmz]

I loved most of Sheens' answers except the 2005 references. We as fans bring it up but that win has nothing to do with what's going to happen in the next 5 years. I love his confidence and he knows how to play the media but I really hope he doesn't draw any parallels to 2005 or his wins with Raiders etc. Game is completely different now.

 

[the_third]

One thing that may happen from here (I'm hoping) If Journo scum is chasing stories they may be able to deal directly with Sheens and we'll have some control over the Narrative.

Sheens surely has told everyone that he'll talk to the media and everyone else can stay out of it

He's well respected and he'll help earn the media's respect back and stop all the rubbish agenda driven stories against us constantly by doing stories like this.

Lee is listening

 

[the_third]

I thought the article was ok …. even handed … asked few tough questions that had to be asked.

So posted this on the Telegraph chat invite …….

Well Buzz … its been a while that I can honestly say that I read one of your articles about Wests Tigers whereby you show an even hand. The club has massive support base and some really hard working, dedicated people who have already achieved off field success through solid corporate backing, financial stability and government support evident in funding provided for the Centre of Excellence facility at Concord.
All this ensures that the Club is on solid foundations to progress further and achieve on field success in coming years.
Hopefully I can look forward to more articles such as this from you and the News Media colleagues because brother ….. prior to this one ….. I could count them on my one hand …. and I am a long term subscriber.

You really thought he was even handed? He was looking to take pot shots anywhere he could get them. Even down to bagging the club for the club not having Balmain legends involved. We’re talking about a club that is 20 years old, and he still has to drag up players from one of the parent clubs. As Sheens mentioned, we have quite a few of the 05 team involved at the club, so what’s Buzz’s issue?

The club has been a mess since sheens left

fair but we were a massive mess when he left. glad hes back though

 

[jirskyr]

Buzz didnt get anything from sheens except positives even though Buzz was all about developing negative outcomes in this interview.

Honestly Buzz could have really twisted some of those replies, but he let them go. E.g. the Madge / Brooks problem, he could have made an article entirely out of that and twisted every word.

However my guess is this was an olive branch between the club and the DT / News, which is why Sheens sat down with Rothfield and answered so many questions.

 

[jirskyr]

I thought the article was ok …. even handed … asked few tough questions that had to be asked.

So posted this on the Telegraph chat invite …….

Well Buzz … its been a while that I can honestly say that I read one of your articles about Wests Tigers whereby you show an even hand. The club has massive support base and some really hard working, dedicated people who have already achieved off field success through solid corporate backing, financial stability and government support evident in funding provided for the Centre of Excellence facility at Concord.
All this ensures that the Club is on solid foundations to progress further and achieve on field success in coming years.
Hopefully I can look forward to more articles such as this from you and the News Media colleagues because brother ….. prior to this one ….. I could count them on my one hand …. and I am a long term subscriber.

You really thought he was even handed? He was looking to take pot shots anywhere he could get them. Even down to bagging the club for the club not having Balmain legends involved. We’re talking about a club that is 20 years old, and he still has to drag up players from one of the parent clubs. As Sheens mentioned, we have quite a few of the 05 team involved at the club, so what’s Buzz’s issue?

The club has been a mess since sheens left

Sheens says the opposite in the interview. Results have been a mess, coaching probably too, but the club itself he says is in very good condition.

 

[Lukic]

I think both Madge and Brooks are at fault. Madge is passionate but in his time as our coach, there's nothing to suggest he's some great tactical coach or motivator. We have rarely come out and sprung an upset through sheer effort, nor have we ever exploited some weakness/had a perfect gameplan carry us to a win. Some players have developed fairly well under him, especially the younger guys which he deserves some credit for - but its overwhelming the case that, and to me its been confirmed anecdotally having spoken to some players, he can miss the mark and certainly rub people the wrong way.

Brooks on the other hand has underperformed for the majority of his career. I think the problem is his personality and lack of ability gets mistaken as apathy or him not wanting to improve. I just think he's peaked as a football and lacks the creativity or footy IQ to be anything more than a below average first grade half / great backup half, and he's never going to be a true leader who pushes others to improve because that's not just him.

So you end up with a hard coach who's not getting what he wants out of a player and is misunderstanding where the issue arises in that it's not that Brooks doesn't want to be a great leader or great player - he puts in 100% every week, but he's just not capable of being that guy.

 

[Cobarcats]

Wow, what a terrible interview. I mean sheens answers were great and to the point, but those questions were disgusting. I’m surprised he didn’t cop one fair in his face. Honestly… surely even journos can see this bagging of the club is getting long in the tooth and it’s time to move on to a different club now…
The club is finally doing and saying all the right things and giving ourselves a decent shot… but this buzz grub still can’t help himself.

I think this was the club putting their 3 year plan out in public and the DT giving them that platform

Exactly what I first thought, this is what the club and Sheens needed to get the clubs direction out there. One thing I've learnt in my 26yrs in the Army is when the enemy ambushes you, face them and start shooting otherwise you'll simply get shot in the back, the journalists have been our enemy for a while now and Sheens returned fire....well done I say!

 

[Telltails]

I liked the hard questions. Much prefer Sheens addressing the issues than a journo creating spin.

 

[SeanT]

That was the worst interview from a questions point of view I've ever heard.His questioning about how crap this side has been was stale after one question let alone 8. It's like putting on 5-6 kgs over Christmas and someone constantly telling you you've 'been in a good paddock' over and over. Doesn't anyone at the DT pull him up on it? Pathetic.

I also hate this top 8 rubbish. Making the top 8 doesn't make you a contender. Top 4 show that you are constant all year and can be a contender. 12 teams are not contenders at the moment.

 

[SeanT]

I think both Madge and Brooks are at fault. Madge is passionate but in his time as our coach, there's nothing to suggest he's some great tactical coach or motivator. We have rarely come out and sprung an upset through sheer effort, nor have we ever exploited some weakness/had a perfect gameplan carry us to a win. Some players have developed fairly well under him, especially the younger guys which he deserves some credit for - but its overwhelming the case that, and to me its been confirmed anecdotally having spoken to some players, he can miss the mark and certainly rub people the wrong way.

Brooks on the other hand has underperformed for the majority of his career. I think the problem is his personality and lack of ability gets mistaken as apathy or him not wanting to improve. I just think he's peaked as a football and lacks the creativity or footy IQ to be anything more than a below average first grade half / great backup half, and he's never going to be a true leader who pushes others to improve because that's not just him.

So you end up with a hard coach who's not getting what he wants out of a player and is misunderstanding where the issue arises in that it's not that Brooks doesn't want to be a great leader or great player - he puts in 100% every week, but he's just not capable of being that guy.

Yeah I agree. They are both to blame. I'd give the this year and if both fail to improve then get rid of both. We will have some decent players in 2023 with a COE and great juniors. Coaches will want to come here.

 

[hammertime]

I wish sheens had at least made a comment about how much of what buzz said was in the past and has no bearing on future results. The drunkard can't invisage any further than his next drink.

 

[TigerWest]

Well we now know that there definitely was an issue with madge and brooks. Will be interesting to see how 2022 plays out. I would still go Hastings 7 and brooks 6.

I would be thinking Brooks still at 7, I think we need to give Hastings more ball to work his magic?

 

[TigerWest]

I like how Sheen's gives credit to where the club sits off the field compared to when he was last here.
I know everyone is on Pascoe back but he has turned the club around off the field regardless of what people think of him.. As Sheen's says you cannot do much with no money and we now have money to help develop the club..
Buzz and he so called questions were terrible IMO

I think Hartigan needs a bit of rap here as well?

 

[TigerWest]

I actually think this is an easy time for Sheens to do interviews. He’s in control and does it on his ear! Wait until some losses mount up, then there’ll be harder questions.

Not necessarily he’s already stated his 3 year vision, I thought he controlled the narrative well the old piss head was just digging for dirt. Even the Brooks Madge thing I think we all knew it wasn’t roses but now it’s out there it’s on Brooks to perform **it’s open for debate as to whether he tanked the last game vs the dogs this year.**

Agree and I am now thinking he did?

 

[tony soprano]

I thought the article was ok …. even handed … asked few tough questions that had to be asked.

So posted this on the Telegraph chat invite …….

Well Buzz … its been a while that I can honestly say that I read one of your articles about Wests Tigers whereby you show an even hand. The club has massive support base and some really hard working, dedicated people who have already achieved off field success through solid corporate backing, financial stability and government support evident in funding provided for the Centre of Excellence facility at Concord.
All this ensures that the Club is on solid foundations to progress further and achieve on field success in coming years.
Hopefully I can look forward to more articles such as this from you and the News Media colleagues because brother ….. prior to this one ….. I could count them on my one hand …. and I am a long term subscriber.

You really thought he was even handed? He was looking to take pot shots anywhere he could get them. Even down to bagging the club for the club not having Balmain legends involved. We’re talking about a club that is 20 years old, and he still has to drag up players from one of the parent clubs. As Sheens mentioned, we have quite a few of the 05 team involved at the club, so what’s Buzz’s issue?

The club has been a mess since sheens left

Sheens says the opposite in the interview. Results have been a mess, coaching probably too, but the club itself he says is in very good condition.

agree mate, recruitment culture, been very poor.

 

[tony soprano]

I think both Madge and Brooks are at fault. Madge is passionate but in his time as our coach, there's nothing to suggest he's some great tactical coach or motivator. We have rarely come out and sprung an upset through sheer effort, nor have we ever exploited some weakness/had a perfect gameplan carry us to a win. Some players have developed fairly well under him, especially the younger guys which he deserves some credit for - but its overwhelming the case that, and to me its been confirmed anecdotally having spoken to some players, he can miss the mark and certainly rub people the wrong way.

Brooks on the other hand has underperformed for the majority of his career. I think the problem is his personality and lack of ability gets mistaken as apathy or him not wanting to improve. I just think he's peaked as a football and lacks the creativity or footy IQ to be anything more than a below average first grade half / great backup half, and he's never going to be a true leader who pushes others to improve because that's not just him.

So you end up with a hard coach who's not getting what he wants out of a player and is misunderstanding where the issue arises in that it's not that Brooks doesn't want to be a great leader or great player - he puts in 100% every week, but he's just not capable of being that guy.

I think we can imply madge was ready to demote him. Sure Brooks felt like demoting madge if he could.

 

[tony soprano]

The whole TV show was such a bad move for where the team is at.

 

[diedpretty]

Buzz: Ok, let’s talk about Madge. He’s got two years to go. He nearly lost his job before you got here. Is he under pressure to get results in the first 10 weeks?

Sheens: No, I wouldn’t say the first 10 weeks. Everyone is under pressure. It’s a results-driven business and there are a lot of NRL coaches under pressure. The expectations of every club is to be successful. (North Queensland’s) Todd (Payten) and (Canterbury’s) Trent (Barrett) are under pressure. You actually embrace it but don’t coach or act that way. You can’t panic. Madge has got to improve us. Simple as that.


I found this question and answer interesting. Sheens answer suggests to me that Madge will be on thin ice long before 10 weeks if their is no improvement shown.

 

[Tigerwould]

I loved most of Sheens' answers except the 2005 references. We as fans bring it up but that win has nothing to do with what's going to happen in the next 5 years. I love his confidence and he knows how to play the media but I really hope he doesn't draw any parallels to 2005 or his wins with Raiders etc. Game is completely different now.

I get why Sheen went there with his answer. It was the quickest way to shut Buzz down ….Rather than explain to Buzz our 2022 and beyond recruitment strategy.