Sheens on Nrl on Fox
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TheSunTanSuperman
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@macdougall said:
i'm pretty sure lame arse jokes that are done to death isn't high on their list.
@captain awesome said:
well said boys.
The majority of forum members are wingers… People need to understand that things are easier said than done...
Chadman_s_Ghost
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Some of the arguments put forward by the esteemed experts on this forum are quite funny in the way they seem to be conveyed with such conviction, you'd almost believe that we do in fact have greater knowledge than tim sheens in regards to selections & coaching football players.
Some of the best stuff- surely tim must start coaching the players to stop dropping the ball. I mean, that drill they run every wednesday arvo, where the prop runs up, hits the tackle dummy & hurls the ball, gridiron style, 5 metres forward- that's just got to stop. It puts the defence in such a bad position. From now on tim, listen to the forum members- are start teaching these grown professionals to catch & hold the ball. We think it might be a revolutionary new tactic that might in fact, help the tigers to win.
And please tim, when you lose a prop of the quality of keith galloway, could you replace him with another player of equal standing? I mean, i know the storm got busted for rorting the cap, but if you could just find a way to fit another high-quality prop into the reggies, in case keith gets hurt, we'd really appreciate it. No- never mind tim that you bought guys like junior moors & jason cayless in the off season- we expect players of the quality of galloway to replace galloway- no need for talent drop-off when injury strikes. And by the way tim- we are all going to profess to knowing that the tigers squad is still too small- even though former prop todd payten is playing 2nd row, and our biggest forward, gareth ellis, is also playing 2nd row. No- the fact you have liam fulton in the squad negates that. We are far too small, don't you know?
And really tim, for the last time- if you lose your top 2 halfbacks within 2 weeks of eachother, can't you just simply replace them with a guy from the reggies or u20's and have no drop-off in performance? I mean, how hard can it be to find a halfback that could finally replace a guy like scott prince anyway? And surely you know that lazarus is the best player not in the australian squad. He certainly never looked out of his depth when you put him in 1sts…this guy should be in your test squad!
Some of the best stuff- surely tim must start coaching the players to stop dropping the ball. I mean, that drill they run every wednesday arvo, where the prop runs up, hits the tackle dummy & hurls the ball, gridiron style, 5 metres forward- that's just got to stop. It puts the defence in such a bad position. From now on tim, listen to the forum members- are start teaching these grown professionals to catch & hold the ball. We think it might be a revolutionary new tactic that might in fact, help the tigers to win.
And please tim, when you lose a prop of the quality of keith galloway, could you replace him with another player of equal standing? I mean, i know the storm got busted for rorting the cap, but if you could just find a way to fit another high-quality prop into the reggies, in case keith gets hurt, we'd really appreciate it. No- never mind tim that you bought guys like junior moors & jason cayless in the off season- we expect players of the quality of galloway to replace galloway- no need for talent drop-off when injury strikes. And by the way tim- we are all going to profess to knowing that the tigers squad is still too small- even though former prop todd payten is playing 2nd row, and our biggest forward, gareth ellis, is also playing 2nd row. No- the fact you have liam fulton in the squad negates that. We are far too small, don't you know?
And really tim, for the last time- if you lose your top 2 halfbacks within 2 weeks of eachother, can't you just simply replace them with a guy from the reggies or u20's and have no drop-off in performance? I mean, how hard can it be to find a halfback that could finally replace a guy like scott prince anyway? And surely you know that lazarus is the best player not in the australian squad. He certainly never looked out of his depth when you put him in 1sts…this guy should be in your test squad!
@macdougall said:
mwa hahahahahahahahahahaha oh help me someone hahaha my jaw hurts and i have a stitch in my hahaha side, fitzy's mum, hahahahahaha somebody help me. If i don't get enough air i may hahahahaha die. Ok, i'm ok, just gotta breathe…...but really this is hahahahahahaha so funny hahaha it really is, and it's fitzy's mum hahaha i mean hahahaha just imagine fitzy's mum calling in hahaha oh stop it, im in real pain now. I think one of my lungs just collapsed.
weststigerman
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@chadman's ghost said:
:laughing: good call. Completely sums up this forums unrealistic expectations.
I agree with some points where sheens has stuffed up, but most of the complaints here are rubbish.
hybrid_tiger
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@spartan117 said:
like replacing a prop with a prop?
Sounds pretty simple to me.
But continue to roll out the "reasons not excuses" for the great man…the dropped ball, its the players fault, we got too many injuries.
Did anyone really think that sheens would have been grilled by any media.please your all kidding yourself :laughing:
not only is he a master manipulator of the media but he is also loved by the media.
Besides can anyone tell me the last time any tv media has grilled any 1st grade coach let alone sheens about their tactical ability? I bet it has never happened
i'm sure a lot of forum members have crossed sheens path in the past 10 weeks.have any of you had the balls to grill the coach? If you have do tell :mrgreen:
not only is he a master manipulator of the media but he is also loved by the media.
Besides can anyone tell me the last time any tv media has grilled any 1st grade coach let alone sheens about their tactical ability? I bet it has never happened
i'm sure a lot of forum members have crossed sheens path in the past 10 weeks.have any of you had the balls to grill the coach? If you have do tell :mrgreen:
hybrid_tiger
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@geo. said:
i'd like to hear simon's views on these points.
hybrid_tiger
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@chadman's ghost said:
um, just replacing him with a prop would be fine by me. Not say someone like…stuart flanagan.
@chadman's ghost said:
nobody said this. **POST EDITED BY MODS**
Most just expect a prop to replace a prop, but that's obviously not innovative enough for our supercoach.
@chadman's ghost said:
again, replace a halfback with a halfback, that's all i ask.
Not move your number 1 hooker to half, and then have a half come off the bench to play hooker.
But sheens knows best. :deadhorse:
IronTiger
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@simonthetiger said:
careful simon on your revolutionary views on the club. You should know by now that supporting the club and being positive is not welcome by most on here.
I for one enjoyed hearing sheens' views and his explanation of the games we have lost make sense to me and i would guess if people held of on their angry pill for a moment would agree. The fitzy argument is getting old and unwaranted imo, most have just jumped on the bandwagon without actually watching him play. All players make mistakes during a game and his are not more frequent than anyones else. He actually played well against the roosters. I know shoot me.
See you at the game :sign:
@Chadman's Ghost said:
Ah Chadman…great post....
My last comment was tongue in cheek mate....Of course Sheensy doesn't coach them to drop it....but have you watched the last 3 weeks before the bye.....the TEAM are excelling at it......
Still Sheens is responsible cause he's the 1 who selects the team....
Now after watching a fair bit of Reggies this year ....I agree the gulf between First Grade and State Cup this season is the biggest I ever seen it.....still...Pritchard, Meaney, Brown, Sauvou and Finau would offer more than Daniel Fitzhenry does..... given Daniel's current form...of course only my opinion...
Once again Sheens loyalty to players he believes will get the job done is his resposibility....
Now the question of replacing injured players....IMO comes down again to Sheens loyalty to players to get it done....not replacing like with like even not in the same class I don't understand.....Hmmm... say if he went with Andrew Pearn to replace the injured Galloway instead of using Moors who is bloke learning to play Prop makes more sense to me...Moors sould be doing that in Reggies where flaws in his game in that position doesn't mean squat...As a wide running backrower Moors is much better..... where a few weeks back he played for Wests and had a blinder....he would be affective in FG if used that way but Sheens is asking him to do a job that while the effort is there he is still learning....Sheens by sending Fifita and Moors back to Wests during the bye week proved what he is trying to do as the both started to the detriment of Wests causing disruption to a combination that had been building for weeks by having Pearn and Poaneki start off the bench....
Not replacing like with like also leads to increased pressure on the leading playing group, Farah, Marshall, Ellis, Heighno, Gibbs, Fulton, Lawrence, Payten need to lift their performances to compensate for covering injury to our better players.....thus affecting team performance...In the last 3 weeks those blokes have been below their best.....they to must take some of the responibility....which is what my actual dropped ball comment was about...
Losing 2 halfbacks was a huge blow agreed....but the chopping and changing in the 3 weeks was very un Sheens like.....Lazarus wasn't really given the chance to play halfback but having Lui back is fantastic cause I can't see him playing wing or fullback...
As to the question of critising Sheens....I agree slagging him off is plain dumb and childish... but not to put forward arguements and opinions on the forum as to the decisions Sheens makes....well ....what's the point of a forum then....
@Geo. said:
Good Question Geo - I think this is a good opp to put this all back into perspective.
The WT Forum is here for us overly passionate WT tragics to vent and interact with other like minded fans.
Its just some fun and for me a way to pass some time in the office in between managing major incidents out there in IT Land.
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To asume that anyone in an official capacity actually cares what we think / write …. not likely...
supercoach
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You have to love loyalty, all the usual Sheens people are coming out to defend the great man. All the excuses, the same as last year and a few years before. Didnt he invent the 2010 catch phase "NO MORE EXCUSES". I could handle it if we lost every game, if I believed we were picking and using our best 17 players week in and week out but even blind Freedie will tell you that is not the case. We have a person in charge who can do what he likes when he likes because he is uncountable to anyone, the CEO,the board and the media just slap him on the back and feed his ego. Anyway 2012 season cant come sooner enough for me
tigersnumberone
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@simonthetiger said:
This is such a good point.
How can you coach someone not to drop a ball - you cant! It comes down to the individual and their concentration or fatigue levels etc.
Most areas of our game are looking good - and then we drop the ball. This is not Sheens fault.
We dont seem to grill our team enough and too much emphasis is on sheens as the scapegoat. Tim sheens knows more about rugby league than anyone on this forum. Given its a results based industry, he is not doing so well - but the players need to shoulder some of this load.
I know he makes some errors - but hey, dont you think Tim Sheens is sick of making excuses for the tigers not performing? We are more than capable, and it comes back to what Phil Gould wrote in an article in the herald a few weeks ago (which i think is one of the best things i have ever read, it really struck a chord) - we have seen what this team is capable of, how about the mental application to prove to OURSELVES, that we can do it.
I am tired of blaming the coach. The team is not performing on the field. Having said that, this season, alarm bells are not ringing after 3 straight losses.
I have full faith the guys will turn it around.
@Spartan117 said:
Ah Spartan…..not all...the media manager for the Wests Tigers trolls the forum.....
Just watch the fluff pieces come out whenever a players form or worth is questioned.....
The numero 1 example 'so called fans' V John Morris.....I can give you plenty of others...
Most recent...Jake Mullaney....ready for first grade...
Yeah I know The great Couso pops in and out of here, He uses the site as a tool to disseminate Positive info.
As for Coach Sheens and Mr Humpries caring about what we think of Fitzy etc…..
As for Coach Sheens and Mr Humpries caring about what we think of Fitzy etc…..
Ummm,,,Cuzzo doesn't even have ha account on this site and has never posted a thing…..
I have to agree , i'm sick of the moaning in here about Sheens, it's a bit of a turn off really. Sure, i can understand the frustration fans share for our lack of form at times but lets face it, there are some unrealistic expectations placed on the team in here.
1\. Blake Lazerus was never going to star in first grade. He needs to dominate State Cup first and while he has his moments there he's not yet at that level. That will come with time though, With the time spent off the park from injuries you can't expect him to just pick up the pieces of where he left off.
2\. I'm actually going to come out and defend Daniel Fitzhenry. Okay so his reappearance this season was a little mystifying but not so bad of a decision. Make no mistake, the guy is our fall out boy, our scape goat and most weeks he'll be criticised more so out of a reputation formed by people on this forum. I think he's been solid for us this season, sure he's not a class player but guess what, not all of them are.
3\. The only thing i find frustrating with Sheens is his bench and persistence for utilities. For maybe the first 6 weeks of the season i can justify carrying a winger on the bench, other than that, it has to go! 2 months into the season and we're carrying a utility and a winger on the bench and quite frankly it's brain dead and unnecessary.
4\. In my opinion Sheens is without doubt the best man for the job at this point in time. Unless we go poaching Wayne Bennett or Craig Bellamy then i don't see need to change, purely because any replacement would be a step down. I find the criticism of Sheens carries no weight in here.
Lets face it, we're all largely uninformed and out of the loop with the happenings inside the club, Some of us like to claim to be "in the know" but really unless your source is Tim Sheens or Stephen Humphries, your guess may be as good as joe the cameraman.
1\. Blake Lazerus was never going to star in first grade. He needs to dominate State Cup first and while he has his moments there he's not yet at that level. That will come with time though, With the time spent off the park from injuries you can't expect him to just pick up the pieces of where he left off.
2\. I'm actually going to come out and defend Daniel Fitzhenry. Okay so his reappearance this season was a little mystifying but not so bad of a decision. Make no mistake, the guy is our fall out boy, our scape goat and most weeks he'll be criticised more so out of a reputation formed by people on this forum. I think he's been solid for us this season, sure he's not a class player but guess what, not all of them are.
3\. The only thing i find frustrating with Sheens is his bench and persistence for utilities. For maybe the first 6 weeks of the season i can justify carrying a winger on the bench, other than that, it has to go! 2 months into the season and we're carrying a utility and a winger on the bench and quite frankly it's brain dead and unnecessary.
4\. In my opinion Sheens is without doubt the best man for the job at this point in time. Unless we go poaching Wayne Bennett or Craig Bellamy then i don't see need to change, purely because any replacement would be a step down. I find the criticism of Sheens carries no weight in here.
Lets face it, we're all largely uninformed and out of the loop with the happenings inside the club, Some of us like to claim to be "in the know" but really unless your source is Tim Sheens or Stephen Humphries, your guess may be as good as joe the cameraman.
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