Sheens says Lui reminds me of a young Cliff Lyons

[Spartan117]

Last weeks Interview is online here on the iTunes Site

http://itunes.apple.com/podcast/talkin-sport/id343712633

This site tends to be late… you never know it might turn up in the next few days.

 

[851]

Lui reminds me of Ian Russell.

Yep,or John Simon.

 

[southerntiger]

Its about time the Sheens comparing Morris to Cronk myth was exploded. Sheens did not say he was comparable to Cronk but rather said he **could** be "our" Cooper Cronk i.e. fill a similar role. The full quote was as below:

_"I think he (Morris) can be our Cooper Cronk this year,'' said Sheens. "There is a long way to go and he has got to put a lot of work in. He just has to be patient and the year will build, and the team will build around him. John is progressing really well in terms of getting to know our style."_

I understood this comment to be talking about the link role that Cronk played between the other stars in the team.

Sheens also went onto say:

_"He is not Scotty Prince, and he is not Andrews Johns. By that, I mean he's just got to be who he is and not worry about other people and what is expected of other halves,'' he said. "Everyone is different. John will run the ball, he likes to run the ball, and he will get tackled a few times by having a go himself, and that's good. There are some strengths he brings to the team and as long as he plays to those strengths, and not worry about trying to do other things, he will be okay.''_

 

[fergiefurr]

lui is the best young ball playing half ive seen in years

most young halves these days are mainly runners and kickers. the natural ball playing halves are few and far between these days, we are extremely lucky to have lui, you cant teach what he does.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

He has always reminded me of Leo Dynevor.

 

[Goose]

Lui reminds me of Ian Russell.

Great comparison!

hit the nail on the head!

Saying Lui is the best ball playing half in years, IMO is a massive over rating.

There is a couple young halves at Manly that I would rather without thinking to hard about more halves.

 

[watersider]

There is a couple young halves at Manly that I would rather without thinking to hard about more halves.

That is ridiculous. Of course the Manly halves are a talented young bunch. You mention them like there are many more like them. The reason everyone can't stop talking about cherry-evans and Foran is because they are so rare. Lui isn't consistent but he is still young and is still getting better. I think it is silly to deny this.

He runs the ball well, has an excellent passing and kicking game and has a responsibility in organising our side. Most importantly, he is already an influential and established player who is on a team that is winning big games. He hasn't had a better game than last year's preliminary final. That tells you he is the right sort of player to have.

Which other young halves in the league show the same promise? Lui is as promising as any young half in the game. Of Course he has flaws in his game, so did Marshall. That doesn't mean he isn't a very talented player. I can't believe that this is even contentious! Did you never see John Morris play? Halfback is crucial, even on a talented team like ours, and it is no coincidence that two very successful seasons have occured while Lui has been halfback. I was always in favour of Moltzen as halfback, but Lui has been a very good player in first grade for over a year now. There should be no argument about whether or not he is a good player. I'm glad you aren't in charge of recruitment.

 

[Goose]

There is a couple young halves at Manly that I would rather without thinking to hard about more halves.

That is ridiculous. Of course the Manly halves are a talented young bunch. You mention them like there are many more like them. The reason everyone can't stop talking about cherry-evans and Foran is because they are so rare. Lui isn't consistent but he is still young and is still getting better. I think it is silly to deny this.

He runs the ball well, has an excellent passing and kicking game and has a responsibility in organising our side. Most importantly, he is already an influential and established player who is on a team that is winning big games. He hasn't had a better game than last year's preliminary final. That tells you he is the right sort of player to have.

Which other young halves in the league show the same promise? Lui is as promising as any young half in the game. Of Course he has flaws in his game, so did Marshall. That doesn't mean he isn't a very talented player. I can't believe that this is even contentious! Did you never see John Morris play? Halfback is crucial, even on a talented team like ours, and it is no coincidence that two very successful seasons have occured while Lui has been halfback. I was always in favour of Moltzen as halfback, but Lui has been a very good player in first grade for over a year now. There should be no argument about whether or not he is a good player. I'm glad you aren't in charge of recruitment.

I was responding to the comment that Lui is the best ball playing half in years. I am simply saying he is not the best, as you concede, Foran and DCE are better. Chris Sandow is another I believe to be superior at this stage.

Im not saying he is not talented, in fact I believe he is, I think earlier in the year the criticism of Lui was too strong and right now, people are getting carried away.

Lui is a talented developing player, with the potential to be a good one.

In round 15 people were calling for him to be sacked, 12 weeks later, people are claiming to be the best half in years. Both are over the top.

 

[watersider]

sorry, read your post incorrectly.

I wouldn't say DCE and Foran are better players, i haven't seen enough of them to know. They didn't play well when we last played them. I said they were promising young players and as a consequence were being spoken about, which highlighted my point that young talent in the halves is very rare.

Yeah, the calls for sheens to be sacked and moltzen to be sacked and georgalis to be brought in and the side to be blown up were clearly over the top. But, that has little to do with whether or not Lui should be considered a very promising player. I think he already can be classed as a very good player. Few halfbacks have been as consistently good this year. I was not one of the people arguing that Lui should be dropped. In my mind that was always a ridiculous proposition.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Evans is very over rated and is the worst half of the 6 teams remaining. Went to water against us when we defended well. Some of his option taking was very poor under pressure and he will be found out again in two weeks. Brisbane will be the grand finalists from that half of the finals.

 

[TripleB]

Evans is very over rated and is the worst half of the 6 teams remaining. Went to water against us when we defended well. Some of his option taking was very poor under pressure and he will be found out again in two weeks. Brisbane will be the grand finalists from that half of the finals.

I don't know about Cherry-Evans being very over-rated, but I am sick of people saying what a great job he has done taking control of a team at such a young age. As I said in another thread, Lui is a year younger than Cherry-Evans and has been taking control of a team for 2 seasons now. Granted he has been a bit inconsistent, but I think you will find they have both been guilty of this. You also need to take into account that the manly pack have probably been dominant in most of the games in which Cherry-Evans has played well, which is not necessarily the case for Rob Lui.

 

[innsaneink]

Evans is very over rated and is the worst half of the 6 teams remaining. Went to water against us when we defended well. Some of his option taking was very poor under pressure and he will be found out again in two weeks. Brisbane will be the grand finalists from that half of the finals.

I don't know about Cherry-Evans being very over-rated, but I am sick of people saying what a great job he has done taking control of a team at such a young age. As I said in another thread, Lui is a year younger than Cherry-Evans and has been taking control of a team for 2 seasons now. Granted he has been a bit inconsistent, but I think you will find they have both been guilty of this. You also need to take into account that the manly pack have probably been dominant in most of the games in which Cherry-Evans has played well, which is not necessarily the case for Rob Lui.

I think its really only this year he's had any sort of control….Sheens was quoted earlier in the year as saying he wanted farah & Marshall in particular to take a bit more aof a back seat and let Lui take charge more.

Foran is a terrific and wonderful ball player, Peter wallace is a good ball player too - very good...DCE isnt so much a ball player more a running half, same with sandow, he'll take on the line but its for himself....agree a lot with fergiefurr
Ball playing is Im pretty sure the connection Sheens has made with Lyons & Lui

 

[Goose]

Evans is very over rated and is the worst half of the 6 teams remaining. Went to water against us when we defended well. Some of his option taking was very poor under pressure and he will be found out again in two weeks. Brisbane will be the grand finalists from that half of the finals.

I don't know about Cherry-Evans being very over-rated, but I am sick of people saying what a great job he has done taking control of a team at such a young age. As I said in another thread, Lui is a year younger than Cherry-Evans and has been taking control of a team for 2 seasons now. Granted he has been a bit inconsistent, but I think you will find they have both been guilty of this. You also need to take into account that the manly pack have probably been dominant in most of the games in which Cherry-Evans has played well, which is not necessarily the case for Rob Lui.

These last 2 posts are crazy! DCE is an amazing player.

DCE is a great organising player, he runs the show at Manly. He calls the plays (the structure per set and individual plays within) He tells the hooker what channel the ball needs to be at each stage of each play, he sets up everything, he is the co-ordinator. This is why they bang on about him organising the team at a young age.

Lui does not do this, it is not his strength, Lui calls plays and organises runners, which is good, but he does not run the whole show.

The argument around DCE not being a great player seems to be due to the fact he did not play well in tht second half against us.

Not to slag Lui, but look at his games from rnd 7-15, if you look at those games in isolation, you'd say he is the worse player in the world. Of course he is much better than he showed there, however people on here are writing of DCE for 1 bad half.

If you think DCE is a flash in the pan you are mistaken. Anyone who saw anything of DCE in toyota cup in 09, was lining up to tell you how good he was, the Manly side of 2009 was ridiculously dominate the whole season, and many were giving the bulk of the credit to DCE. Last year when everyone was waxing lyrical about Foran, those at Manly, were still saying they thought DCE had at least if not better future.

He than went to QLD cup and was player of the year up there, an outstanding effort for a rookie.

His first year in NRL, wins rookie of the year.

Im flabbergasted peole are suggesting he is not that good. Put him in a tigers jersey and opninons would change

 

[Goose]

my post was in reference to the 2 before Ink's

 

[Jazza]

I gotta agree with Sheens. Lately I have been thinking the same thing.

From what I have seen from Lyons at the end of his career, I think it is more due to the fact that they both go to the line very front on, they don't face sideways and so they engage defenders. They also have very good soft hands for when they deliver a short ball at the line.

Because of these things, Lyons was very good at creating holes for his support players and Lui has shown this at various times and showed it on the weekend with Heighno's try.

 

[Spartan117]

Coach Sheens Speaks in Talking Sport earlier in the week.

http://itunes.apple.com/podcast/talkin-sport

Its finally online and available to listen to here.