Shoulder Charge - GONE!!

Actually the best shoulder charge I ever saw was pulled off in a BRL game in the early 90's

Watto may even remember this game Wests v Easts ,and big Stephen Mills from Wests absolutely blind sides someone and if I ever thought a player wouldn't get up from a tackle it was this one
 
@happy tiger said:
Actually the best shoulder charge I ever saw was pulled off in a BRL game in the early 90's

Watto may even remember this game Wests v Easts ,and big Stephen Mills from Wests absolutely blind sides someone and if I ever thought a player wouldn't get up from a tackle it was this one

We dont talk about Wests up here… Who are they?!
 
Dud decision, what next getting them to play in skirts.

Unfortunately injuries happen, look what happened to poor Dwyer and he was just trying to make a normal tackle. But i thought with the tougher suspensions for shoulder charge tackles that came into contact with the head the NRL was getting the balance right whilst maintaining the big hits with player welfare. Just like they had been able to do with eradicating the tackle where players placed a hand in-between the attacking players legs with them ending up in a dangerous position. Once it starting creeping into the game the NRL started handing down harsher penalties and you hardly see that type of tackle anymore.

Whilst on player welfare, i would like to see the NRL have a independent doctor rule on whether players are concussed enough to stay on the field instead of club doctors making the call.
 
is it really going to make that much of a difference how often do we actually see one the answer to that is 1 every 17 games thats not even 1 every 2 rounds.

there has been studies done in america that show the impact that contact sports make on the head and the damage it causes. the players future should be the first priority of the game regardless they are the producers of the product everyone loves if we dont have that then what do we do.

what would we on here think if some team went out got one of their lower grades players to go out and delibrelatly put a hit on benji or robbie and caused serious damage forcing them never to play again we would be outraged calling for there head etc.

i for one do enjoy the big hits but if someone gets seriously hurt or worse and sue the game for neglegence we might not have a product anymore
 
@Bazzinator said:
is it really going to make that much of a difference how often do we actually see one the answer to that is 1 every 17 games thats not even 1 every 2 rounds.

**there has been studies done in america that show the impact that contact sports make on the head and the damage it causes.** the players future should be the first priority of the game regardless they are the producers of the product everyone loves if we dont have that then what do we do.

what would we on here think if some team went out got one of their lower grades players to go out and delibrelatly put a hit on benji or robbie and caused serious damage forcing them never to play again we would be outraged calling for there head etc.

i for one do enjoy the big hits but if someone gets seriously hurt or worse and sue the game for neglegence we might not have a product anymore

Banning the shoulder charge doesn't affect this IMO. It is still a contact sport so in theory players' brains are still gonna be damaged over time. Banning shoulder charges is a knee-jerk reaction, if they don't want any body contact then ban tackling altogether.

Nobody forces these blokes to play, they do so by choice and make fame and fortune out of it that the average working-class fella could only dream of. Every job has it's hazards….does a bricky get the chance to say that he will only work at night so that he won't get skin cancer and die?

The NRL should be more concerned about those "prowler" tackles where cowards like Cameron Smith and 3rd Man Thaiday smash into a blokes spine while he is being held up by a few blokes and has absolutely no chance of protecting himself...one day some bloke will get his back broken.
 
@Tiger Watto said:
@happy tiger said:
Actually the best shoulder charge I ever saw was pulled off in a BRL game in the early 90's

Watto may even remember this game Wests v Easts ,and big Stephen Mills from Wests absolutely blind sides someone and if I ever thought a player wouldn't get up from a tackle it was this one

We dont talk about Wests up here… Who are they?!

Were you the Easts player ??

C'mon you must talk about Wests and all those losing GF's
 
Sizing up the shoulder charge ban raises challenge to the data

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/sizing-up-the-shoulder-charge-ban-raises-challenge-to-the-data-20121123-29ypk.html#ixzz2D6Bft1EC

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On report … Greg Inglis received a three week ban for his shoulder charge on Dean Young against the Dragons in July. Photo: Getty Images
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THE International Rugby Board's chief medical officer, Dr Martin Raftery, while endorsing the Australian Rugby League Commission's ban on the shoulder charge, disputes most of the data used to justify outlawing it.

Raftery, who recently returned from an international conference on concussion in Switzerland, is impeccably qualified to comment on injuries in both codes of rugby. He played for Cronulla (1974-80); was doctor for the Wallabies (2002-08) and the Dragons (1989-2004) and was appointed to the IRB's top medical post before last year's Rugby World Cup.

Rugby union has already banned the shoulder charge but not because players had grown 1.2 centimetres taller and 4 kilograms heavier since 2002, as the ARLC claimed, citing ''a detailed report''.

''This is an attempt to make a casual link with player size without any evidence of a link between size and injury,'' Raftery says. ''I am not aware of any data, including what is available from the 'detailed report' into shoulder charges, showing the increased size of athletes making a shoulder charge more likely to cause an injury, even if this would seem to be logical. Since 2000 [in rugby], despite a proven increase in weight, height and speed of players, injury rates have remained stable and actually returned to the pre-professional levels.''

Raftery also takes issue with NRL players who argue that the injury risk from a shoulder charge is minimal because these tackles represent a very small percentage of all tackles effected, a point ironically made by the ARLC which says shoulder charges comprise only 0.05 per cent of the 142,355 tackles made this year.

''I often hear people quoted saying that the injury risk from a shoulder charge is not that bad,'' he said. ''What these people fail to take into account is the injury per event. For example, in a game there may only be three shoulder charges with one injury (injury rate of one in three events) whereas there may be 10 injuries from tackles but there are 250 tackles in a game (injury rate from a tackle is one in every 25). In this scenario the shoulder charge is over eight times more likely to result in an injury. Data from rugby union confirms that a shoulder charge is 70 per cent more likely to result in an injury when compared with a tackle.''

The ARLC, in justifying the ban, cited a statistic that the average G-force of the shoulder charge measured from accelerometer data taken from GPS tracking was 76 per cent greater than a conventional head-on tackle (10.682 compared to 6.056).

This drew a cynical response from Raftery: ''Whilst this is impressive data, forces measured in American football with accelerometers in helmets do not show a linear relationship between head injury and force. There is also no evidence to suggest a head injury occurs at a specified force. Additionally, there is no link with the severity of a concussion and the level of force. What force data suggests is that athletes have different levels of susceptibility to head injury and the best approach is to eliminate direct forces to the head and face, rather than decide one level of force is OK and another is harmful.''

However, Raftery did endorse one statistic quoted by the ARLC - 17 per cent of shoulder charges resulted in contact with the head of the attacking player. ''The 2012 Concussion Conference in Zurich … strongly recommended that sports look to reduce attacks to the head and face in an effort to reduce concussion and any potential long-term sequelae,'' he said. ''If 17 per cent of shoulder charges result in contact with the head, then the risk is that one in every six shoulder charges will potentially cause a head injury.''

Apart from the ARLC being vulnerable to criticism it is grandstanding with flawed data, it risks accusations of hypocrisy, particularly regarding concerns over player safety. The ARLC had one representative at the Zurich conference, Dr Ron Muratore, the NRL's chief medical officer, whereas the AFL had six present, including an administrator.
 
I found it pretty funny and hypocritical today when the NRL put up an article with videos of the "Best Bell Ringers of 2012". Practically a highlights package of shoulder charges :crazy
 
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