Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

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Have heard that McQueen has gone back to Souths. Nothing official, just from a Souths supporter.

How's he feel about that?

I think that both the Souths fan and McQueen would be both feeling pretty despondent. Souths definitely lost out in that trade off.

Souths lose Crichton to Easts
Easts lose Matterson to Wests
Wests lose McQueen to Souths
 
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Is it just me or does it seem like we've needed a center and an impact forward/big name prop since 2000?

We have had some very good centres, Lawrance being the best.

Really?

I mean really? This has gotta be the weakest position in our history.

Lawrence is a club stalwart but he only had one or two good years at centre. He was never "very good". (subjective i guess)...

I would say Wests Tigers as an entity has had no more than 3 "very good" centres. And certainly none for the best part of the last 15 years, i.e. since Whatuira.
 
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Have heard that McQueen has gone back to Souths. Nothing official, just from a Souths supporter.

How's he feel about that?

I think that both the Souths fan and McQueen would be both feeling pretty despondent. Souths definitely lost out in that trade off.

Souths lose Crichton to Easts
Easts lose Matterson to Wests
Wests lose McQueen to Souths

At least we didn't lose out for once.
 
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Have heard that McQueen has gone back to Souths. Nothing official, just from a Souths supporter.

How's he feel about that?

I think that both the Souths fan and McQueen would be both feeling pretty despondent. Souths definitely lost out in that trade off.

Souths lose Crichton to Easts
Easts lose Matterson to Wests
Wests lose McQueen to Souths

At least we didn't lose out for once.

As long as we're not paying through the teeth for him to go back I'm OK with it.
 
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Is it just me or does it seem like we've needed a center and an impact forward/big name prop since 2000?

We have had some very good centres, Lawrance being the best.

Really?

I mean really? This has gotta be the weakest position in our history.

Lawrence is a club stalwart but he only had one or two good years at centre. He was never "very good". (subjective i guess)...

I would say Wests Tigers as an entity has had no more than 3 "very good" centres. And certainly none for the best part of the last 15 years, i.e. since Whatuira.

Its ignorance in the extreme to suggest Lawrence was never very good pre hip injury.
 
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Is it just me or does it seem like we've needed a center and an impact forward/big name prop since 2000?

We have had some very good centres, Lawrance being the best.

Really?

I mean really? This has gotta be the weakest position in our history.

Lawrence is a club stalwart but he only had one or two good years at centre. He was never "very good". (subjective i guess)...

I would say Wests Tigers as an entity has had no more than 3 "very good" centres. And certainly none for the best part of the last 15 years, i.e. since Whatuira.

Its ignorance in the extreme to suggest Lawrence was never very good pre hip injury.

By far the best centre I have ever seen play for the Tigers and I have been following since 1970
 
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Well take a pick

The Maserati will get you to the hardware store and home quicker to do the repairs

The Toyota will never pass or get ahead of the car in front unless it has a major upgrade

Give me the Masersti please

Missing the point, again. Once you've bought the Maserati you can't afford anything in the hardware store.

Everyone knows we needs a centre and an impact forward. Why are we trying to spend lots of money on a hooker?

I'll give you another comparison. Your wife says she'll leave you if you don't take her on holiday. You buy a Maserati, reasoning that she'll be super impressed on the drive to the airport. She is, but you haven't got any money left for flights. She leaves you.

You're assuming we don't have the cap space to improve all our weaknesses over the next two seasons. Im assuming Maguire is better informed of your our cap situation than you.

Yes, I'm assuming we don't have enough money to re-sign Brooks, sign Cook, sign a marquee centre and a marquee middle or edge forward, continue paying Reynolds, Mbye and Packer, and have a full roster of 30 players. Yes, I also assume Maguire has more detailed information than this. Time will tell.

@2041 I like your points and largely I agree with the fact that IF cap space is an issue then judgement calls need to be made. But it is just way too assumptive.

Yes, prioritizing a gun centre and gun forward is the go. Settling for anything less will be unacceptable.
Every team seems to have cap space for a least a few marquee players. We currently have no marquee players now (and NO, Brooks and Mbye are not marquee…at least not yet).
So, if signing a marquee centre and forward transpires then I'll be beaming.

But, if we simply go for "value for money" and "good rather than great" like what @happy wants, then give me Cook.

The analogy of the holiday or the cars doesn't check out for me either. The opportunity cost of signing a player like Cook is not as you say it is. It is more like we have a fleet of Toyota's and we are looking to upgrade a few of them. That's all. Sure, if we were signing 3 Latrell Mitchell's then maybe that might raise a few eyebrows re cap space and we might have to forego or release some first-graders, but we aren't even close to that. So, I think it is important to entertain every single option where we can have players that improve our team (and not poo-poo them because you assume we can't effectively manage our cap or TPA's).

The whole Cook discussion is likely moot, but I don't think this Cook would spoil the broth.....so to speak..... :wink:
 
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We have had some very good centres, Lawrance being the best.

Really?

I mean really? This has gotta be the weakest position in our history.

Lawrence is a club stalwart but he only had one or two good years at centre. He was never "very good". (subjective i guess)...

I would say Wests Tigers as an entity has had no more than 3 "very good" centres. And certainly none for the best part of the last 15 years, i.e. since Whatuira.

Its ignorance in the extreme to suggest Lawrence was never very good pre hip injury.

By far the best centre I have ever seen play for the Tigers and I have been following since 1970

Puhhlease!!!!!!!!!!
Get real!
I said he had a good few seasons. Maybe he was "very good" for two seasons. But "BY FAR THE BEST CENTRE???"
And Since the 70's????
OMG
Are you Chris Lawrence?

It seems that no-one on this forum can EVER knock Lawrence or Brooks!!
Now he is the greatest centre we have had in 50 years??????
WHAT THE??

If you ever wanted evidence that the Lawrence love-fest has gotten out of hand then this is it!

Firstly, just from Wests Tigers era we have had better players at centre. Whatuira was MUCH better. Halatau and one of my all-time faves Buddha were fantastic. At least IMO their centre careers were "very good" for at least as long, if not longer than Lawrence's.

From a Balmain perspective in the 80's, 90's…I can't remember too many great centres but Brasher played many years there and is in another class to Lawrence. Obviously.
So was Gary Schofield. But craziest of all @larry you think he is better than Ellery Hanley...

I mean, really.... Lawrence better then the black pearl. Well I never. This has gone too far.
 
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Really?

I mean really? This has gotta be the weakest position in our history.

Lawrence is a club stalwart but he only had one or two good years at centre. He was never "very good". (subjective i guess)...

I would say Wests Tigers as an entity has had no more than 3 "very good" centres. And certainly none for the best part of the last 15 years, i.e. since Whatuira.

Its ignorance in the extreme to suggest Lawrence was never very good pre hip injury.

By far the best centre I have ever seen play for the Tigers and I have been following since 1970

Puhhlease!!!!!!!!!!
Get real!
I said he had a good few seasons. Maybe he was "very good" for two seasons. But "BY FAR THE BEST CENTRE???"
And Since the 70's????
OMG
Are you Chris Lawrence?

It seems that no-one on this forum can EVER knock Lawrence or Brooks!!
Now he is the greatest centre we have had in 50 years??????
WHAT THE??

If you ever wanted evidence that the Lawrence love-fest has gotten out of hand then this is it!

Firstly, just from Wests Tigers era we have had better players at centre. Whatuira was MUCH better. Halatau and one of my all-time faves Buddha were fantastic. At least IMO their centre careers were "very good" for at least as long, if not longer than Lawrence's.

From a Balmain perspective in the 80's, 90's…I can't remember too many great centres but Brasher played many years there and is in another class to Lawrence. Obviously.
So was Gary Schofield. But craziest of all @larry you think he is better than Ellery Hanley...

I mean, really.... Lawrence better then the black pearl. Well I never. This has gone too far.

Lawrence was decent. He had defensive issues thoigh. I loved the work ethic and defence of whatuira and elford in 2005.

Since the wests Tigers Lawrence prob is the best centre we've had. But he never made Origin so it goes to show our callible of centres over the years..
 
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Really?

I mean really? This has gotta be the weakest position in our history.

Lawrence is a club stalwart but he only had one or two good years at centre. He was never "very good". (subjective i guess)...

I would say Wests Tigers as an entity has had no more than 3 "very good" centres. And certainly none for the best part of the last 15 years, i.e. since Whatuira.

Its ignorance in the extreme to suggest Lawrence was never very good pre hip injury.

By far the best centre I have ever seen play for the Tigers and I have been following since 1970

Puhhlease!!!!!!!!!!
Get real!
I said he had a good few seasons. Maybe he was "very good" for two seasons. But "BY FAR THE BEST CENTRE???"
And Since the 70's????
OMG
Are you Chris Lawrence?

It seems that no-one on this forum can EVER knock Lawrence or Brooks!!
Now he is the greatest centre we have had in 50 years??????
WHAT THE??

If you ever wanted evidence that the Lawrence love-fest has gotten out of hand then this is it!

Firstly, just from Wests Tigers era we have had better players at centre. Whatuira was MUCH better. Halatau and one of my all-time faves Buddha were fantastic. At least IMO their centre careers were "very good" for at least as long, if not longer than Lawrence's.

From a Balmain perspective in the 80's, 90's…I can't remember too many great centres but Brasher played many years there and is in another class to Lawrence. Obviously.
So was Gary Schofield. But craziest of all @larry you think he is better than Ellery Hanley...

I mean, really.... Lawrence better then the black pearl. Well I never. This has gone too far.

No way Chris Lawrence was a better centre than the Blackpearl :smiley:
As a young bloke watched Geoff Starling make the grade and play for Australia aged 17.
Wests had some very handy centres as well in the 70's
 
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Is it just me or does it seem like we've needed a center and an impact forward/big name prop since 2000?

We have had some very good centres, Lawrance being the best.

Really?

I mean really? This has gotta be the weakest position in our history.

Lawrence is a club stalwart but he only had one or two good years at centre. He was never "very good". (subjective i guess)...

I would say Wests Tigers as an entity has had no more than 3 "very good" centres. And certainly none for the best part of the last 15 years, i.e. since Whatuira.

He was good enough to be an Australian International.
 
(Preface) The best centre Wests Tigers have ever had (that is how this started), not Tigers.

Maybe subjective but imo - he was much better than Whatuira and Halatau - the rest you wouldn't feed.

Hanley and Schofield (mainly a 5/8) didn't play for WT so let's not go back into the archives.

Anyway all good, let's get back on topic.
 
Lawrence, Whatiura and then Simona are the only really decent first grade centres we've had. I agree it's generally been our weakest position.

With Holmes leaving the sharks it wouldn't surprise me if they go for Dylan Walker and shift Dugan to fullback.
 
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Is it just me or does it seem like we've needed a center and an impact forward/big name prop since 2000?

We have had some very good centres, Lawrance being the best.

Really?

I mean really? This has gotta be the weakest position in our history.

Lawrence is a club stalwart but he only had one or two good years at centre. He was never "very good". (subjective i guess)...

I would say Wests Tigers as an entity has had no more than 3 "very good" centres. And certainly none for the best part of the last 15 years, i.e. since Whatuira.

He was good enough to be an Australian International.

No he wasn't.
Sheens selected him, in one of the most nepotistic, opportunistic kangaroo selections I can recall.
Everyone and their dog saw that and laughed when it happened.
 
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