Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TIGERPOWER]

Madges perception in the footy world is hindering our chances of getting a big name. Our lack of success is also a hinderance. We need success from this young team to make us an appealing destination. Unfortunately (which makes me very sad to say) , Madge is unable to get through to this young team and therefore will not give us the success required to be a destination for players. We need to part ways sooner rather then later. We dragged it on with Taylor and that cost us big time. We cannot afford to do that this time around.

 

[Telltails]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

We've got money but players still won't come here, been that way before Madge was here. We never sign genuine stars unfortunately

That's partly down to who we are as a club and also the coaches we've brought on board. Potter and Taylor had limited appeal to players and Ivan panic bought. Deserved or not evidence suggests established players with multiple options don't want to play for Madge. We need to move on to someone else.

Cleary couldn't hold on to Tedesco and attracted has beens with ridiculous money. Elite players don't want to play for our club. If we continue to think the answer is sacking the coach then we learn nothing. We have had enough different coaches all with different credentials to show that is the case.

 

[teddy23]

There was a point during the Jason Taylor era, where the 3 worst teams in the comp were clearly us, Gold Coast and Newcastle Knights

Newcastle now have Ponga, Pearce, Frizzell, Klemmer and Brailey

Titans now have David Fifita, Brimson and Tino

Both teams pushing for top 8 spots

We have.... ?

Left with no improvements or generational player to build for, it shows how poor our recruitment must be that we seem to be the only team to struggle signing big players when the other teams who were in worse positions than us seem to nab everyone, we need to be more aggressive in recruitment and not keep singing other teams rejects and push for a marquee player... should’ve got Latrell and JAC, but instead we end up with “the jet”

Bulldogs are even doing it now, they don’t sit around and try sign rejects they turned around and signed Burton, Cotric, JAC and Flanagan now they want the cheese. They aren’t gonna sit around and try the “developmental approach” like we have, where all it’s left us is in constant disappointment due to whenever the young players who develop leave us before they hit there primes cause they realise the basket case we can be and we’re stuck at the same spot we started in.

Here’s our opportunity, go get a Reynolds and maybe even a Kotani Staggs. We have the cap space, I don’t wanna see a Naden type signing cause it’s a repetitive cycle that’s obvs not working, be aggressive

Rant over

There's a couple of issues with your argument.

Firstly, Titans, Newcastle and Bulldogs aren't currently blueprints for success. "Pushing for Top 8" is a pretty weak benchmark and Titans are currently running 7th, Newcastle 10th, Bulldogs last, and obviously the Knights are the only team we've beaten this year.

Secondly, Tigers have already been on spending sprees in the past and I would say it's pretty conclusive that it doesn't get the job done, not without a complimentary foundation of experienced players and upcoming juniors. We are still hampered by the big spending that Ivan Cleary did.

Certainly the odd player like Ponga or Fifita are top-level talents, but guys like Mitchell Pearce, Klemmer... you have to ask what level of success they are bringing for their pay packet? Pearce is in his 4th year at Newcastle, Klemmer his 3rd, and in that time Knights have made the finals once, lost their only match handsomely.

Thirdly your Bulldogs argument is all over the place. You say they don't try to sign "rejects", but that's exactly what Bulldogs have done over many years, with Flanagan being one of their star rejects. Cotric is a reject centre, which they've since figured out and put him back to the wing. Burton is no different to Daine Laurie, good player looking for opportunities. Sure "they want the cheese" - everyone wants the cheese, but wanting a player is not indication of anything.

In fact if anything I think Bulldogs are a classic example of panic-buying, something Tigers have been very guilty of. I don't think their purchases do anything to fix their deficiencies, especially in the forwards. They have a heap of cash for 2022 now tied up in two wingers - rep-level wingers for sure - but wingers and wingers only, not utility backs who can cover fullback or centre.

Well, both Newcastle and Gold Coast are pushing for top 8 and the projection they look to be upon shows they’ll likely be consistent top 8 sides for the next decade, my argument is that they’re on the rise while we aren’t. One team has Ponga, one team has Fifita and they have them players due to there aggressiveness in the recruitment sector like it or not.

Ponga, Pearce and Klemmer came in when they were dead last struggling to win a game, took them 2-3 years to turn it around and make the finals.... we’ve been waiting 9 years and counting - which situation would you prefer to be in as a fan.... us or Newcastle/ Titans in terms of there rosters, easy answer for me

Everyone had question marks when Cleary went on that spending spree with Mbye, Reynolds, Packer and McQueen - was never the correct players to go for but we all trusted Ivan and “got on the bus” - I am definitely not promoting throwing money around, but I am when it comes to the correct players like a Kotani Staggs type player for example.

And no, the bulldogs haven’t signed rejects if you look closely at it. Cotric is no reject, Canberra wanted him badly so did a few clubs but didn’t wanna play him in the centre preferred him on the wing doesn’t mean he’s a reject still a player teams wanted in the squad. Burton is the furthest thing from a reject that you’ll see, had multiple teams after him Penrith also wanted him to stay badly too and still pushing for him to backflip, let’s not be biased complete different situation to Daine Laurie, Flanagan yes was a reject but a good signing for them imo and love how you left JAC out when he picked the bulldogs over us, he defs isn’t a reject. My point is about there aggressiveness in the market, hence why I said they’re going hard for the cheese on top of that also. If they get the cheese, the bulldogs roster is in a really good position imo

While we continue to sit back and sign rejects, some reject players are smart to bring in like a Luciano and a Laurie but it’s equally important to bring in proven marquee players also like Gold Coast, Newcastle and Bulldogs have done in order to compete.

 

[JC99]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

We've got money but players still won't come here, been that way before Madge was here. We never sign genuine stars unfortunately

That's partly down to who we are as a club and also the coaches we've brought on board. Potter and Taylor had limited appeal to players and Ivan panic bought. Deserved or not evidence suggests established players with multiple options don't want to play for Madge. We need to move on to someone else.

I don't think it'll make a difference unless we get one of the super coaches. It's career suicide coming to play for us unless you're a rookie trying to get some first grade so you can get signed elsewhere

Players want to earn good money and win. They don't want to go to a club with an old fashioned disciplinarian that loses all the time. If we can get someone in that has good man management skills and is decent tactically, we might start winning some games. I think we have the squad to upset a few teams. Once that happens we might start getting some players through the door.

Before we start getting tactical the players actually have to start wanting to win, and that's on the culture from top to bottom. Whole join needs a clean out.

 

[jadtiger]

Madges perception in the footy world is hindering our chances of getting a big name. Our lack of success is also a hinderance. We need success from this young team to make us an appealing destination. Unfortunately (which makes me very sad to say) , Madge is unable to get through to this young team and therefore will not give us the success required to be a destination for players. We need to part ways sooner rather then later. We dragged it on with Taylor and that cost us big time. We cannot afford to do that this time around.

It is not the young players that are letting us down,they are putting in every week.I wish i could say the same for a few of the older imposters

 

[happy_tiger]

Madges perception in the footy world is hindering our chances of getting a big name. Our lack of success is also a hinderance. We need success from this young team to make us an appealing destination. Unfortunately (which makes me very sad to say) , Madge is unable to get through to this young team and therefore will not give us the success required to be a destination for players. We need to part ways sooner rather then later. We dragged it on with Taylor and that cost us big time. We cannot afford to do that this time around.

If you listen to people in the know they don't blame Madge ...they feel sorry for Madge

Even the gurus off field like Woodward and the Roosters guru haven't fixed things

Madge and Cleary have shown they can coach

How do you get players who want nothing to do with us to join our club

 

[avocadoontoast]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

We've got money but players still won't come here, been that way before Madge was here. We never sign genuine stars unfortunately

That's partly down to who we are as a club and also the coaches we've brought on board. Potter and Taylor had limited appeal to players and Ivan panic bought. Deserved or not evidence suggests established players with multiple options don't want to play for Madge. We need to move on to someone else.

Cleary couldn't hold on to Tedesco and attracted has beens with ridiculous money. Elite players don't want to play for our club. If we continue to think the answer is sacking the coach then we learn nothing. We have had enough different coaches all with different credentials to show that is the case.

So what's the solution? He's in his third year now and has signed/re-signed 93% of the top 30. We are capitulating most games and our style of play is awful. Our attack has absolutely no structure and it's getting worse. He is not getting the players to perform at their best and that is on him.

If there was some sign of improvement or we were trying our guts out, fine, but that's not the problem. There is a serious issue between Madge and the playing group. He has had a chance to improve the team and he has failed. It's not going to get better and imo the sooner he's gone the better chance we have of salvaging next year.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

We've got money but players still won't come here, been that way before Madge was here. We never sign genuine stars unfortunately

That's partly down to who we are as a club and also the coaches we've brought on board. Potter and Taylor had limited appeal to players and Ivan panic bought. Deserved or not evidence suggests established players with multiple options don't want to play for Madge. We need to move on to someone else.

I don't think it'll make a difference unless we get one of the super coaches. It's career suicide coming to play for us unless you're a rookie trying to get some first grade so you can get signed elsewhere

Players want to earn good money and win. They don't want to go to a club with an old fashioned disciplinarian that loses all the time. If we can get someone in that has good man management skills and is decent tactically, we might start winning some games. I think we have the squad to upset a few teams. Once that happens we might start getting some players through the door.

Before we start getting tactical the players actually have to start wanting to win, and that's on the culture from top to bottom. Whole join needs a clean out.

If they got rid of Madge today I guarantee you we'd see a different attitude this week.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Madges perception in the footy world is hindering our chances of getting a big name. Our lack of success is also a hinderance. We need success from this young team to make us an appealing destination. Unfortunately (which makes me very sad to say) , Madge is unable to get through to this young team and therefore will not give us the success required to be a destination for players. We need to part ways sooner rather then later. We dragged it on with Taylor and that cost us big time. We cannot afford to do that this time around.


It is not the young players that are letting us down,they are putting in every week.I wish i could say the same for a few of the older imposters

I agree. But we look like a team who has no idea. Forward after forward hit up. Mid field chip bomb to no one. No depth in attack. No structure in attack. No players in motion. As I’ve said before it’s either the coach has no idea or the players aren’t delivering the coach’s game plan. Whichever it is, should sound alarm bells for us.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

We've got money but players still won't come here, been that way before Madge was here. We never sign genuine stars unfortunately

That's partly down to who we are as a club and also the coaches we've brought on board. Potter and Taylor had limited appeal to players and Ivan panic bought. Deserved or not evidence suggests established players with multiple options don't want to play for Madge. We need to move on to someone else.

I don't think it'll make a difference unless we get one of the super coaches. It's career suicide coming to play for us unless you're a rookie trying to get some first grade so you can get signed elsewhere

Players want to earn good money and win. They don't want to go to a club with an old fashioned disciplinarian that loses all the time. If we can get someone in that has good man management skills and is decent tactically, we might start winning some games. I think we have the squad to upset a few teams. Once that happens we might start getting some players through the door.

Before we start getting tactical the players actually have to start wanting to win, and that's on the culture from top to bottom. Whole join needs a clean out.

If they got rid of Madge today I guarantee you we'd see a different attitude this week.

The game has moved past Madge. Compare our footy to the style of footy the sharks were playing under Morris and its chalk and cheese. I don’t mind that madge trains them hard, what I do mind is that our game plan is stuck in 2014.

 

[Guest]

What happened yesterday is simple.

Team looks good for 25 minutes.

Mbye enters the game.

Game over.

Worst player in the team consistently................NEVER BEEN DROPPED.

The problem stems far beyond Mbye. To believe otherwise is madness.

Obviously.
I'm just making the point that Mbye has been consistently poor yet has managed to never be dropped while other players performing at a higher level have paid the price.

Who has been dropped whilst performing at a higher level?

What Mbye is paid is irrelevant.
Point me towards his last line break, his last line break assist. I'll settle for any positive contribution at all.
When he has the ball the opposition has a mental rest.

He's a target in defence. 5 inadequate attempted tackles and a penalty given away in only 56 minutes yesterday.

He's a liability that literally no other club wants and yet he gets picked week after week and other players with actual talent pay the price.

He is the personification of Madge's coaching inadequacies.

 

[Telltails]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

We've got money but players still won't come here, been that way before Madge was here. We never sign genuine stars unfortunately

That's partly down to who we are as a club and also the coaches we've brought on board. Potter and Taylor had limited appeal to players and Ivan panic bought. Deserved or not evidence suggests established players with multiple options don't want to play for Madge. We need to move on to someone else.

Cleary couldn't hold on to Tedesco and attracted has beens with ridiculous money. Elite players don't want to play for our club. If we continue to think the answer is sacking the coach then we learn nothing. We have had enough different coaches all with different credentials to show that is the case.

So what's the solution? He's in his third year now and has signed/re-signed 93% of the top 30. We are capitulating most games and our style of play is awful. Our attack has absolutely no structure and it's getting worse. He is not getting the players to perform at their best and that is on him.

If there was some sign of improvement or we were trying our guts out, fine, but that's not the problem. There is a serious issue between Madge and the playing group. He has had a chance to improve the team and he has failed. It's not going to get better and imo the sooner he's gone the better chance we have of salvaging next year.

Its not a one man solution on or off the field and by sacking the coach the message is to players that it is not their fault and the rubbish continues. Brooks is a classic example of what that mentality has produced.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Madges perception in the footy world is hindering our chances of getting a big name. Our lack of success is also a hinderance. We need success from this young team to make us an appealing destination. Unfortunately (which makes me very sad to say) , Madge is unable to get through to this young team and therefore will not give us the success required to be a destination for players. We need to part ways sooner rather then later. We dragged it on with Taylor and that cost us big time. We cannot afford to do that this time around.

If you listen to people in the know they don't blame Madge ...they feel sorry for Madge

Even the gurus off field like Woodward and the Roosters guru haven't fixed things

Madge and Cleary have shown they can coach

How do you get players who want nothing to do with us to join our club

You don’t. We must stick to and proceed with the current recruitment strategy.
Young promising juniors. No overpayments.
It’s a long game but clubs like the Panthers have achieved success using that methodology.
Constantly changing coaches and administrators is set for failure.
How the hell do you achieve anything is you gave a new coach every two years trying to implement their structures.
Players are confused and low in confidence.
I say STICK to what we have and wait it out.

 

[avocadoontoast]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

We've got money but players still won't come here, been that way before Madge was here. We never sign genuine stars unfortunately

That's partly down to who we are as a club and also the coaches we've brought on board. Potter and Taylor had limited appeal to players and Ivan panic bought. Deserved or not evidence suggests established players with multiple options don't want to play for Madge. We need to move on to someone else.

Cleary couldn't hold on to Tedesco and attracted has beens with ridiculous money. Elite players don't want to play for our club. If we continue to think the answer is sacking the coach then we learn nothing. We have had enough different coaches all with different credentials to show that is the case.

So what's the solution? He's in his third year now and has signed/re-signed 93% of the top 30. We are capitulating most games and our style of play is awful. Our attack has absolutely no structure and it's getting worse. He is not getting the players to perform at their best and that is on him.

If there was some sign of improvement or we were trying our guts out, fine, but that's not the problem. There is a serious issue between Madge and the playing group. He has had a chance to improve the team and he has failed. It's not going to get better and imo the sooner he's gone the better chance we have of salvaging next year.

Its not a one man solution on or off the field and by sacking the coach the message is to players that it is not their fault and the rubbish continues. Brooks is a classic example of what that mentality has produced.

Don't get me wrong, I have no sympathy for the players. What they're dishing up isn't acceptable. But we can't replace 30 players, we need to at least try and make some changes now while we can.

 

[TigerWest]

What happened yesterday is simple.

Team looks good for 25 minutes.

Mbye enters the game.

Game over.

Worst player in the team consistently................NEVER BEEN DROPPED.

The problem stems far beyond Mbye. To believe otherwise is madness.

Obviously.
I'm just making the point that Mbye has been consistently poor yet has managed to never be dropped while other players performing at a higher level have paid the price.

Who has been dropped whilst performing at a higher level?

What Mbye is paid is irrelevant.
Point me towards his last line break, his last line break assist. I'll settle for any positive contribution at all.
When he has the ball the opposition has a mental rest.

He's a target in defence. 5 inadequate attempted tackles and a penalty given away in only 56 minutes yesterday.

He's a liability that literally no other club wants and yet he gets picked week after week and other players with actual talent pay the price.

He is the personification of Madge's coaching inadequacies.

Who spoke about what Mbye is being paid?

You mentioned better performing players have been dropped?

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Madges perception in the footy world is hindering our chances of getting a big name. Our lack of success is also a hinderance. We need success from this young team to make us an appealing destination. Unfortunately (which makes me very sad to say) , Madge is unable to get through to this young team and therefore will not give us the success required to be a destination for players. We need to part ways sooner rather then later. We dragged it on with Taylor and that cost us big time. We cannot afford to do that this time around.

If you listen to people in the know they don't blame Madge ...they feel sorry for Madge

Even the gurus off field like Woodward and the Roosters guru haven't fixed things

Madge and Cleary have shown they can coach

How do you get players who want nothing to do with us to join our club

You don’t. We must stick to and proceed with the current recruitment strategy.
Young promising juniors. No overpayments.
It’s a long game but clubs like the Panthers have achieved success using that methodology.
Constantly changing coaches and administrators is set for failure.
How the hell do you achieve anything is you gave a new coach every two years trying to implement their structures.
Players are confused and low in confidence.
I say STICK to what we have and wait it out.

I agree with the junior policies and not overpaying players , and to me that’s more Hartigan then madge. Madge is not the man to take these juniors to the next level. Panthers went through 3 coaches to get this point. They moved on coaches who were getting them to finals. We can’t hang onto a coach when we are sitting in last place.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Madges perception in the footy world is hindering our chances of getting a big name. Our lack of success is also a hinderance. We need success from this young team to make us an appealing destination. Unfortunately (which makes me very sad to say) , Madge is unable to get through to this young team and therefore will not give us the success required to be a destination for players. We need to part ways sooner rather then later. We dragged it on with Taylor and that cost us big time. We cannot afford to do that this time around.

If you listen to people in the know they don't blame Madge ...they feel sorry for Madge

Even the gurus off field like Woodward and the Roosters guru haven't fixed things

Madge and Cleary have shown they can coach

How do you get players who want nothing to do with us to join our club

why would you want players that do not want to play for the WT e.g. LM, JAC etc.?
The situation with our 'experienced' players is already bad.

 

[JC99]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

We've got money but players still won't come here, been that way before Madge was here. We never sign genuine stars unfortunately

That's partly down to who we are as a club and also the coaches we've brought on board. Potter and Taylor had limited appeal to players and Ivan panic bought. Deserved or not evidence suggests established players with multiple options don't want to play for Madge. We need to move on to someone else.

Cleary couldn't hold on to Tedesco and attracted has beens with ridiculous money. Elite players don't want to play for our club. If we continue to think the answer is sacking the coach then we learn nothing. We have had enough different coaches all with different credentials to show that is the case.

So what's the solution? He's in his third year now and has signed/re-signed 93% of the top 30. We are capitulating most games and our style of play is awful. Our attack has absolutely no structure and it's getting worse. He is not getting the players to perform at their best and that is on him.

If there was some sign of improvement or we were trying our guts out, fine, but that's not the problem. There is a serious issue between Madge and the playing group. He has had a chance to improve the team and he has failed. It's not going to get better and imo the sooner he's gone the better chance we have of salvaging next year.

I'm not saying don't get rid of him, I just also don't think signing a new coach will solve our problems. The entire club from top to bottom needs to go, we need someone like a Gould to do a review of the place. It's a crappy situation

 

[happy_tiger]

Madges perception in the footy world is hindering our chances of getting a big name. Our lack of success is also a hinderance. We need success from this young team to make us an appealing destination. Unfortunately (which makes me very sad to say) , Madge is unable to get through to this young team and therefore will not give us the success required to be a destination for players. We need to part ways sooner rather then later. We dragged it on with Taylor and that cost us big time. We cannot afford to do that this time around.

If you listen to people in the know they don't blame Madge ...they feel sorry for Madge

Even the gurus off field like Woodward and the Roosters guru haven't fixed things

Madge and Cleary have shown they can coach

How do you get players who want nothing to do with us to join our club

You don’t. We must stick to and proceed with the current recruitment strategy.
Young promising juniors. No overpayments.
It’s a long game but clubs like the Panthers have achieved success using that methodology.
Constantly changing coaches and administrators is set for failure.
How the hell do you achieve anything is you gave a new coach every two years trying to implement their structures.
Players are confused and low in confidence.
I say STICK to what we have and wait it out.

As I just said in another thread it seems juniors are actively avoiding our junior pathways .....our junior base look as weak as I've have seen it ..and when we get a good un ..they get poached ...Souths ,Parra etc

I heard an interesting argument on Saturday on MMM .....the coaches at junior levels aren't anywhere near as good as the past and are too busy readying players for NRL ...one bloke had 2 boys at Cronulla and his son wasn't big for a winger but very quick ...and all his coach expected was him to try and get 20 hitups a game .....

I totally agree if we had the junior base we had from 2009-2012 ...but we don't and it's not even close ....

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

It’s going to be hard to sign players until we have an idea of who our coach will be next year.

As if it's not hard enough already ? no decent player will join us until we can prove we don't suck and that might be never lol

We have a fair bit of money to spend next year. It’s pretty clear Maguire won’t be here so cut him now and try and salvage what we can. It’s become evident that representative players don’t want to play for him.

Latrell didn't want to play under Madge
JAC didn't want to play under Madge
Jail Arrow didn't want to play under Madge

the guy has to go he does not attract big names and he has lost the dressing room completely

From memory, Latrell said he didn’t want to be the guy who everyone depended on, if he played here?
JAC went for the money?
Jai Arrow reportedly said (just recently), he went to Souths to play under Bennett and be part of a super star club?

The way I am understanding it, we no longer pays overs, we’ve been there and done that, but others will, so I do think the club has to rethink that strategy for a few elite players to give us a chance?

JAC mentioned something about hard training and so did Latrell