Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Batmans Parents]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

There is no proof that Madge has harmed player welfare, on the other hand players in Flanagan's care were injected with unknown substances.

Keeping players on-field with significant injuries. Have you forgotten the very distressing scenes of Inglis with a serious knee injury and WTs players demonstrating very real concern for his welfare while he remained on-field?

Or Sam Burgess with a significant facial injury remaining on-field during the GF?

I am interested to learn the views as to the difference.

Oh, so this is the agenda you're running with now that it's pretty much confirmed that it's the front office putting players off from signing here with their unprofessional recruitment strategies and not Madge? Player welfare? You're trying to compare Madge to a guy who injected his players with peptides and cheated the salary cap to win a comp. Are you just ignorant or are you being deliberately obtuse?

But you know what, let's do what you want to do. Fire Madge, bring in our 6th coach in 10 years and then call for that coaches sacking in 2 years when he fails to get results because you can't see that we have a bunch of lazy bludgers in this playing group (not all) and an inept front office who couldn't recruit their way out of a paper bag. Thank god some of the fans here aren't in charge. Unbelievable.

 

[weststigerman]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

There is no proof that Madge has harmed player welfare, on the other hand players in Flanagan's care were injected with unknown substances.

Keeping players on-field with significant injuries. Have you forgotten the very distressing scenes of Inglis with a serious knee injury and WTs players demonstrating very real concern for his welfare while he remained on-field?

Or Sam Burgess with a significant facial injury remaining on-field during the GF?

I am interested to learn the views as to the difference.

You're right, Madge should have subbed Burgess and subsequently lost the GF. Give me a break.

 

[TigerWest]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

My view is, you are so anti Madge, that you can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[Bones]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

There is no proof that Madge has harmed player welfare, on the other hand players in Flanagan's care were injected with unknown substances.

Keeping players on-field with significant injuries. Have you forgotten the very distressing scenes of Inglis with a serious knee injury and WTs players demonstrating very real concern for his welfare while he remained on-field?

Or Sam Burgess with a significant facial injury remaining on-field during the GF?

I am interested to learn the views as to the difference.

The coach doesn’t assess on field injuries, the trainers and team doctors do.

 

[rex2ce]

Keep Madge or get rid of him has been discussed multiple times on here and keeps on getting discussed, the answer is to keep Madge, but appoint some quality assistant coaches to assist him, whether he wants it or not

 

[rihannafan1]

It says a lot about Flanagan that he's not seriously being considered for any jobs. This is despite having some high profile media members pushing his agenda and a number of floundering clubs.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

 

[yeahcaz]

It says a lot about Flanagan that he's not seriously being considered for any jobs. This is despite having some high profile media members pushing his agenda and a number of floundering clubs.

That’s because of the first time in a while, all clubs are set with their coaches? He’s not that good that clubs will kick their current coach out to get him but we should or someone else. This long term rebuild can be done with a different coach

 

[Rowdy12]

It says a lot about Flanagan that he's not seriously being considered for any jobs. This is despite having some high profile media members pushing his agenda and a number of floundering clubs.

I could be wrong, however I dont think he is allowed to be a head coach until next year

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Oh, so this is the agenda you’re running with now that it’s pretty much confirmed that it’s the front office putting players off from signing here with their unprofessional recruitment strategies and not Madge? Player welfare? You’re trying to compare Madge to a guy who injected his players with peptides and cheated the salary cap to win a comp. Are you just ignorant or are you being deliberately obtuse?
But you know what, let’s do what you want to do. Fire Madge, bring in our 6th coach in 10 years and then call for that coaches sacking in 2 years when he fails to get results because you can’t see that we have a bunch of lazy bludgers in this playing group (not all) and an inept front office who couldn’t recruit their way out of a paper bag. Thank god some of the fans here aren’t in charge. Unbelievable.

I don't believe there is any doubt the image of rugby league has been out of synch. with the evolving public expectation on player welfare. Is the decline in junior participation due in large to this image? I will leave it up to you to draw your own conclusions.

What occurred at Cronulla is unacceptable, just as I find leaving badly injured players on the field to be unacceptable. I note at the time the decision to leave Inglis on the field was compared to the swift action of Bellamy to remove Jess Bromwich from the field after he badly injured his hand. Again I leave it to you to draw your own conclusions on the issue.

Our defence is poor, we seemingly cannot recruit a couple of quality NRL players to improve our team and I believe we are regressing in our standard of play. I do not expect to win, but I do expect the level of performance to improve. This has not happened which is disappointing and as this is supporter's forum expressing that disappointment on here is appropriate. If you believe that is an agenda, you are free to describe it as such. Tnanks for your input.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

There is no proof that Madge has harmed player welfare, on the other hand players in Flanagan's care were injected with unknown substances.

Keeping players on-field with significant injuries. Have you forgotten the very distressing scenes of Inglis with a serious knee injury and WTs players demonstrating very real concern for his welfare while he remained on-field?

Or Sam Burgess with a significant facial injury remaining on-field during the GF?

I am interested to learn the views as to the difference.

You're right, Madge should have subbed Burgess and subsequently lost the GF. Give me a break.

Your opinion seems to be just a little out of touch with what we know about brain injury.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

Refer my comments in earlier post. What happened at Cronulla and leaving badly injured players on the field are in my opinion unacceptable. Please confirm that you have the same view.

I am not sure what Morris has to do with this but I suspect it be nothing more than a look over there tactic.

 

[TheDaBoss]


 

[cochise]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

Refer my comments in earlier post. What happened at Cronulla and leaving badly injured players on the field are in my opinion unacceptable. Please confirm that you have the same view.

I am not sure what Morris has to do with this but I suspect it be nothing more than a look over there tactic.

Morris is an interesting one because he was at 1st implicated as one of the players involved in the program and suspensions at Cronulla. His name has been removed from all that though.

 

[The_Patriot]

Wonder if Tyrone Peachey could do a job for us. Plays well at lock under the new rules and can cover centre if needed.

Surely we could land that one.

Why are we always looking for fill ins or players not wanted? Surely all those pumping up Maguire's coaching regime should have confidence he can attract top talent!


Can you have a conversation without the Maguire agenda?

I asked a valid question. The coach is a huge cog in the recruitment wheel. Why are you suggesting we look at another utility when what we lack are specialist outside backs with genuine pace.

Im not suggesting we ignore the outside backs at all. Im suggesting Peachey would be a very good 13 in the modern game.

The 13 position is one we are struggling with.

If a players goes down mid game Peachey can move to centre.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

Refer my comments in earlier post. What happened at Cronulla and leaving badly injured players on the field are in my opinion unacceptable. Please confirm that you have the same view.

I am not sure what Morris has to do with this but I suspect it be nothing more than a look over there tactic.

Morris is an interesting one because he was at 1st implicated as one of the players involved in the program and suspensions at Cronulla. His name has been removed from all that though.

Morris has a fine coaching record. Pity he has not here as head coach.

 

[Goanna57]

Carayannis reporting Vaughan to the Dogs done.

They’re building quite the roster of unwanted misfits and mercenaries.

Just which players are unwanted, JAC, Burton, TPJ,. Not what tigers need

Okay, I’ll spell it out for you.

Corey Allan - told he’s free to leave
TPJ - told he’s free to leave
Flanagan - told he’s free to leave
Dufty - told he won’t be re-signed
Vaughan - sacked by his club

There are probably others too that I’ve missed. Cotric, JAC and Burton are the mercenaries that went to the highest bidder.

I see you have spelled it out for me thanks . I also noticed that some of your so-called unwanted players are now mercenaries,because they choose not to sign with tigers

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

Refer my comments in earlier post. What happened at Cronulla and leaving badly injured players on the field are in my opinion unacceptable. Please confirm that you have the same view.

I am not sure what Morris has to do with this but I suspect it be nothing more than a look over there tactic.

Leaving a badly injured player on the field is not acceptable. To try to even equate that to the wrongdoings of Flanagan as a coach isn't acceptable either.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Our signings record over the past couple of years has been abysmal. The two teams I think we're most like in terms of size, reputation, location etc are the Bulldogs and Sharks. Both teams have completely outgunned WT in the quality of their signings this year. It has become an embarrassment how we are consistently out-manoeuvred time after time for quality players. Surely at some point this will have an effect on retention of WT fans and sponsors and ultimately on retaining our own quality players. I can't imagine the likes of Stefano and Simpkin wanting to stay with a club which is a consistent non-performer. Put simply, something has to change if we are to change botrh the perception and reality of our club's performances on and off the field.
Not much point having a whinge without proposing a solution. Here's mine:
a) get rid of Hartigan. We have stuffed up too many recruitments. I'm sure he was a great recruiter at Easts. But it's not that hard to recruit players to Easts because they desperately want to go there and will go there for less money than clubs like WT. His style just doesn't work with a club like ours.
b) get rid of Maguire. The players don't respond to him and he's had more than enough time to get better results than he's getting. Nice guy but he's part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. I'd sign Flanagan in a heartbeat. He knows how to coach and will have a better chance of attracting quality players. I think the mere fact that we make the switch to Flanagan will change the dynamic for WT and will open us up for business with better quality players. I know plenty of forum members have no time for Flanagan but he's a winner and I would ensure his contract had strong behavioural clauses in it.
c) get rid of Pascoe. He's been at WT for long enough to improve the culture of the club and he just hasn't been successful. He just does not have the vibe of a COE. His position would be the easiest of the three to recruit to, there would be a good field of applicants.
d) Once those three changes have been made I'd have Sheens and Flanagan go through the playing roster and get rid of / pay out any player that doesn't fit with the culture and uncompromising playing style that the new WT represents.
Once those changes have been made I think players would be more willing to come and play with us but it could take three years to build a finals-ready roster. I'd be prepared to wait.

Flanagan attracted players by breaking the salary cap. CHEAT

I know you don't like the guy. Fair enough, I don't either. But, give me a totally honest answer here - would you take Bellamy if he was willing to come?

I would take Bellamy, I'd also take Flanagan if it wasn't for his inability to look after the welfare of his players.

So it's not the salary cap cheating that's the deal breaker with Flanagan, it's the peptide stuff. Not downplaying it, just trying to clarify.

I don't think you can use his record as a coach to advocate for his signing as he hasn't proven he can coach without cheating, Bellamy has shown he can do it without cheating since then. Though if it was just cap cheating I would be willing to give Flanagan a go, the major problem for me is his inability to do what I believe is the number 1 priority of a coach and that is protect the welfare of their players.

Drug cheating is unforgiveable to me, Stuart O'Grady was close to my most respected sportsperson until the day he admitted to performance enhancing drugs. I saw him on TV again this morning and I was disgusted that he would be given a platform to earn an income from sport.

I'm interested in the forum's view on player welfare. In my view, Maguire has form in this area. What is the difference?

Keeping an injured player on field is not even remotely the same as putting your players through a routine doping programme, especially if you believe the claim that the players didn't know what they were being given. The fact that you try to even equate the two reinforces the opinion that you have an agenda. Are you telling us that Sam didn't want to stay on the field and win the GF as well? Never once has he complained about being kept on.

If you want to complain about Maguire's attitude toward player welfare because he didn't take a player that was injured off once and then in the same breath advocate that he's equally as bad as a coach who has been done for doping, cap cheating and breaching bans all within the space of a few years then it's very clear you have a set against him. You also have repeatedly stated that Morris would be a good alternative, while he was playing under Flanagan at the Sharks during the years they were doping.

Refer my comments in earlier post. What happened at Cronulla and leaving badly injured players on the field are in my opinion unacceptable. Please confirm that you have the same view.

I am not sure what Morris has to do with this but I suspect it be nothing more than a look over there tactic.

Leaving a badly injured player on the field is not acceptable. To try to even equate that to the wrongdoings of Flanagan as a coach isn't acceptable either.

Neither are acceptable.

 

[rihannafan1]

It says a lot about Flanagan that he's not seriously being considered for any jobs. This is despite having some high profile media members pushing his agenda and a number of floundering clubs.

That’s because of the first time in a while, all clubs are set with their coaches? He’s not that good that clubs will kick their current coach out to get him but we should or someone else. This long term rebuild can be done with a different coach

When has that ever stopped anyone? He's a premiership winning coach and I really don't have an opinion on him but I find it telling that he's not even an assistant coach anywhere.