Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[TigerWest]

I see Gutho is looking for a $1m / year contract from the Eels?

TBH, I don’t like the bloke. But should we spend big on a back or a forward?


Definately not worth a million so a big NO from me

I certainly agree, but just looked at his Parra bio, his numbers look pretty good?

 

[jadtiger]

I see Gutho is looking for a $1m / year contract from the Eels?

TBH, I don’t like the bloke. But should we spend big on a back or a forward?


Definately not worth a million so a big NO from me

I certainly agree, but just looked at his Parra bio, his numbers look pretty good?

His numbers are padded by the fact that he has a pack that goes forward.Put Paulo in our team and see the improvement in the rest of the team

 

[AdelaideTiger]

I see Gutho is looking for a $1m / year contract from the Eels?

TBH, I don’t like the bloke. But should we spend big on a back or a forward?


Definitely not worth a million so a big NO from me

I certainly agree, but just looked at his Parra bio, his numbers look pretty good?

His numbers are VERY good, he is comparable to Tedesco in most stats this year but everyone knows he ain't in the same league as Teddy.
Stats don't always tell the full story.

 

[Guest]

I see Gutho is looking for a $1m / year contract from the Eels?

TBH, I don’t like the bloke. But should we spend big on a back or a forward?


Definately not worth a million so a big NO from me

I certainly agree, but just looked at his Parra bio, his numbers look pretty good?


His numbers are padded by the fact that he has a pack that goes forward.Put Paulo in our team and see the improvement in the rest of the team

The bloke's a winner who demands that his team play like winners.
I don't know that our team would respond to that. They're just a bit precious.

 

[TigerWest]

I see Gutho is looking for a $1m / year contract from the Eels?

TBH, I don’t like the bloke. But should we spend big on a back or a forward?


Definitely not worth a million so a big NO from me

I certainly agree, but just looked at his Parra bio, his numbers look pretty good?

His numbers are VERY good, he is comparable to Tedesco in most stats this year but everyone knows he ain't in the same league as Teddy.
Stats don't always tell the full story.

I’m not arguing for his signature, but numbers & stats do tell a story, it says he has a go, which is way different to a lot of our blokes.

 

[Snake]

I see Gutho is looking for a $1m / year contract from the Eels?

TBH, I don’t like the bloke. But should we spend big on a back or a forward?


Definately not worth a million so a big NO from me

I certainly agree, but just looked at his Parra bio, his numbers look pretty good?


His numbers are padded by the fact that he has a pack that goes forward.Put Paulo in our team and see the improvement in the rest of the team

It’s not his numbers it’s his presence on field ,,, I know as a Tigers support we have lost site of winning ,to gain this back the team needs players that want to win … stats will never tell you about drive and desire and the influence that brings to those around you !

 

[Snake]

I see Gutho is looking for a $1m / year contract from the Eels?

TBH, I don’t like the bloke. But should we spend big on a back or a forward?


Definately not worth a million so a big NO from me

I certainly agree, but just looked at his Parra bio, his numbers look pretty good?


His numbers are padded by the fact that he has a pack that goes forward.Put Paulo in our team and see the improvement in the rest of the team


It’s not his numbers it’s his presence on field ,,, I know as a Tigers support we have lost site of winning ,to gain this back the team needs players that want to win … stats will never tell you about drive and desire and the influence that brings to those around it !

 

[Guest]

Could you imagine the sulk session Nofa would have after copping a mouthfull from Gutherson after one of his sideways runs.

 

[TigerWest]

I see Gutho is looking for a $1m / year contract from the Eels?

TBH, I don’t like the bloke. But should we spend big on a back or a forward?


Definately not worth a million so a big NO from me

I certainly agree, but just looked at his Parra bio, his numbers look pretty good?


His numbers are padded by the fact that he has a pack that goes forward.Put Paulo in our team and see the improvement in the rest of the team


It’s not his numbers it’s his presence on field ,,, I know as a Tigers support we have lost site of winning ,to gain this back the team needs players that want to win … stats will never tell you about drive and desire and the influence that brings to those around you !

If he came (a big IF) and he gave that drive we have been missing, everyone would learn to love him.
But atm, I just can’t.

 

[facepalmer]

Gutho to FB, Laurie to 6 and Douehi to centre. I wouldn't hate.

That said I am fine with Laurie continuing to develop as a FB for now and Douehi a 6 and just finding a class centre who would cost us a lot less than Gutherson.

 

[851]

Interesting to note that not only is Brandon Smith off contract at the end of 2022 but Harry Grant actually has a Mutuak option for 2023 so if effectively off contract at the end of 2022 at this stage as well. I say go all in for Harry


last year showed having Grant in our team isn't priority and I would extend that to Smith as well.

We had Grant and still missed the finals terribly, we have far more important areas to fill before throwing marquee money at Hooker.

Without Grant we’d be last.

But seriously, I’d throw 1Milly at Grant. Even 1.1..

The influence and everything he had on the whole of Wests Tigers, I actually never felt or seen that effect a player can do to a team.

What do you do with the two capable hookers we presently have?

The 19 yr old nsw cup player or the injury riddled bloke who missed 8 tackles vs the Warriors and left dummy half empty and tjrows a bunch of average passes. You give them to someone else snd take the Origin star

Too bad the tigers have re-signed Liddle.

Only for 2 years and Grant would not leave the Storm until 2023 anyway.
You could offload Liddle pretty easy I reason and Simpkin could be a super sub / back up.

Or you could get rid of Simpkin and keep the better hooker at only 24.

The bloke with terrible service that can’t keep up during games? No thanks. Liddle had his chance this year. Time for Simpkin to step in.


Liddle has had more than enough chances this year, I would bring Simpkin back next week

I totally disagree. Jacob Liddle has been one of the better performers week-in and week-out for the Tigers this year. You are seeing things in Simpkin that I sure as hell haven't seen in the opportiunities he's had in the top grade or his game in the NSW Cup.

Liddle was horrendous. What are you watching. The bloke can't pass. Which is basically the number 1 requirement for a hooker. Not to mention his defence is weak

I have to agree with you... He starts ok but once he is gets tried his passing is just terrible. Today he passed one behind the players to no one and we lost like 15 metres and that's happened a few times recently. I would like to give Simpkin a go and even have Liddle on the bench as they could work together if needed on the field.
Pointless having Simpkin there and just training and no game time as that just slows down his development.

We so poor close to the line not sure if liddle or Brooks fault,

Blore still seems a bit lost with line running, they seem to be too on top of each other. Not sure what the issue is,

For me you just don't see Liddle organising the team. I know its a pipe dream but last year we had Grant and he just ran the show. Even watching the Storm he knows when to pass or run and his passes are crisp.. Agree we just look lost in attack on there line and really miss Laurie today

100 percent he is pretty poor, wonder why simpkin not getting another go, would like to know madge reasoning

There is no reasoning, Simpkin needs game time, only played 5 NRL games and Liddle is struggling and the side is paying for it at both ends of the field, the coach is a moron

 

[TigerWest]

Interesting to note that not only is Brandon Smith off contract at the end of 2022 but Harry Grant actually has a Mutuak option for 2023 so if effectively off contract at the end of 2022 at this stage as well. I say go all in for Harry


last year showed having Grant in our team isn't priority and I would extend that to Smith as well.

We had Grant and still missed the finals terribly, we have far more important areas to fill before throwing marquee money at Hooker.

Without Grant we’d be last.

But seriously, I’d throw 1Milly at Grant. Even 1.1..

The influence and everything he had on the whole of Wests Tigers, I actually never felt or seen that effect a player can do to a team.

What do you do with the two capable hookers we presently have?

The 19 yr old nsw cup player or the injury riddled bloke who missed 8 tackles vs the Warriors and left dummy half empty and tjrows a bunch of average passes. You give them to someone else snd take the Origin star

Too bad the tigers have re-signed Liddle.

Only for 2 years and Grant would not leave the Storm until 2023 anyway.
You could offload Liddle pretty easy I reason and Simpkin could be a super sub / back up.

Or you could get rid of Simpkin and keep the better hooker at only 24.

The bloke with terrible service that can’t keep up during games? No thanks. Liddle had his chance this year. Time for Simpkin to step in.


Liddle has had more than enough chances this year, I would bring Simpkin back next week

I totally disagree. Jacob Liddle has been one of the better performers week-in and week-out for the Tigers this year. You are seeing things in Simpkin that I sure as hell haven't seen in the opportiunities he's had in the top grade or his game in the NSW Cup.

Liddle was horrendous. What are you watching. The bloke can't pass. Which is basically the number 1 requirement for a hooker. Not to mention his defence is weak

I have to agree with you... He starts ok but once he is gets tried his passing is just terrible. Today he passed one behind the players to no one and we lost like 15 metres and that's happened a few times recently. I would like to give Simpkin a go and even have Liddle on the bench as they could work together if needed on the field.
Pointless having Simpkin there and just training and no game time as that just slows down his development.

We so poor close to the line not sure if liddle or Brooks fault,

Blore still seems a bit lost with line running, they seem to be too on top of each other. Not sure what the issue is,

For me you just don't see Liddle organising the team. I know its a pipe dream but last year we had Grant and he just ran the show. Even watching the Storm he knows when to pass or run and his passes are crisp.. Agree we just look lost in attack on there line and really miss Laurie today

100 percent he is pretty poor, wonder why simpkin not getting another go, would like to know madge reasoning

There is no reasoning, Simpkin needs game time, only played 5 NRL games and Liddle is struggling and the side is paying for it at both ends of the field, the coach is a moron

Is he with the team? Is he injured?
I think before we call the coach a moron, we should find out if there is a reason why Simpkin is not playing?

 

[cochise]

Interesting to note that not only is Brandon Smith off contract at the end of 2022 but Harry Grant actually has a Mutuak option for 2023 so if effectively off contract at the end of 2022 at this stage as well. I say go all in for Harry


last year showed having Grant in our team isn't priority and I would extend that to Smith as well.

We had Grant and still missed the finals terribly, we have far more important areas to fill before throwing marquee money at Hooker.

Without Grant we’d be last.

But seriously, I’d throw 1Milly at Grant. Even 1.1..

The influence and everything he had on the whole of Wests Tigers, I actually never felt or seen that effect a player can do to a team.

What do you do with the two capable hookers we presently have?

The 19 yr old nsw cup player or the injury riddled bloke who missed 8 tackles vs the Warriors and left dummy half empty and tjrows a bunch of average passes. You give them to someone else snd take the Origin star

Too bad the tigers have re-signed Liddle.

Only for 2 years and Grant would not leave the Storm until 2023 anyway.
You could offload Liddle pretty easy I reason and Simpkin could be a super sub / back up.

Or you could get rid of Simpkin and keep the better hooker at only 24.

The bloke with terrible service that can’t keep up during games? No thanks. Liddle had his chance this year. Time for Simpkin to step in.


Liddle has had more than enough chances this year, I would bring Simpkin back next week

I totally disagree. Jacob Liddle has been one of the better performers week-in and week-out for the Tigers this year. You are seeing things in Simpkin that I sure as hell haven't seen in the opportiunities he's had in the top grade or his game in the NSW Cup.

Liddle was horrendous. What are you watching. The bloke can't pass. Which is basically the number 1 requirement for a hooker. Not to mention his defence is weak

I have to agree with you... He starts ok but once he is gets tried his passing is just terrible. Today he passed one behind the players to no one and we lost like 15 metres and that's happened a few times recently. I would like to give Simpkin a go and even have Liddle on the bench as they could work together if needed on the field.
Pointless having Simpkin there and just training and no game time as that just slows down his development.

We so poor close to the line not sure if liddle or Brooks fault,

Blore still seems a bit lost with line running, they seem to be too on top of each other. Not sure what the issue is,

For me you just don't see Liddle organising the team. I know its a pipe dream but last year we had Grant and he just ran the show. Even watching the Storm he knows when to pass or run and his passes are crisp.. Agree we just look lost in attack on there line and really miss Laurie today

100 percent he is pretty poor, wonder why simpkin not getting another go, would like to know madge reasoning

There is no reasoning, Simpkin needs game time, only played 5 NRL games and Liddle is struggling and the side is paying for it at both ends of the field, the coach is a moron


Is he with the team? Is he injured?
I think before we call the coach a moron, we should find out if there is a reason why Simpkin is not playing?

He was named in the 21 last week.

 

[Demps]

Fro-zone.

One of the best rigs to ever play.
Put Finucanes preparations to shame.


Like a condom stuffed full of walnuts.

Yolked as.
Absolute gentleman too.

I don't like his brother though.
Helped him out once with some goods being returned to him and didn't even get a thank you.
Uneventful story though but went out of my way to be kind and whatnot for no thanks.

I remember Kev being particularly close to a fan whom had cancer. Pretty sure he gave her one of his jerseys after a game once. Seemed like a really nice bloke.

That's lovely.
He's a great guy.

Wes, not so much.
He was charged with assault Paulini eh.
Just a gronk IMO.

 

[851]

Interesting to note that not only is Brandon Smith off contract at the end of 2022 but Harry Grant actually has a Mutuak option for 2023 so if effectively off contract at the end of 2022 at this stage as well. I say go all in for Harry


last year showed having Grant in our team isn't priority and I would extend that to Smith as well.

We had Grant and still missed the finals terribly, we have far more important areas to fill before throwing marquee money at Hooker.

Without Grant we’d be last.

But seriously, I’d throw 1Milly at Grant. Even 1.1..

The influence and everything he had on the whole of Wests Tigers, I actually never felt or seen that effect a player can do to a team.

What do you do with the two capable hookers we presently have?

The 19 yr old nsw cup player or the injury riddled bloke who missed 8 tackles vs the Warriors and left dummy half empty and tjrows a bunch of average passes. You give them to someone else snd take the Origin star

Too bad the tigers have re-signed Liddle.

Only for 2 years and Grant would not leave the Storm until 2023 anyway.
You could offload Liddle pretty easy I reason and Simpkin could be a super sub / back up.

Or you could get rid of Simpkin and keep the better hooker at only 24.

The bloke with terrible service that can’t keep up during games? No thanks. Liddle had his chance this year. Time for Simpkin to step in.


Liddle has had more than enough chances this year, I would bring Simpkin back next week

I totally disagree. Jacob Liddle has been one of the better performers week-in and week-out for the Tigers this year. You are seeing things in Simpkin that I sure as hell haven't seen in the opportiunities he's had in the top grade or his game in the NSW Cup.

Liddle was horrendous. What are you watching. The bloke can't pass. Which is basically the number 1 requirement for a hooker. Not to mention his defence is weak

I have to agree with you... He starts ok but once he is gets tried his passing is just terrible. Today he passed one behind the players to no one and we lost like 15 metres and that's happened a few times recently. I would like to give Simpkin a go and even have Liddle on the bench as they could work together if needed on the field.
Pointless having Simpkin there and just training and no game time as that just slows down his development.

We so poor close to the line not sure if liddle or Brooks fault,

Blore still seems a bit lost with line running, they seem to be too on top of each other. Not sure what the issue is,

For me you just don't see Liddle organising the team. I know its a pipe dream but last year we had Grant and he just ran the show. Even watching the Storm he knows when to pass or run and his passes are crisp.. Agree we just look lost in attack on there line and really miss Laurie today

100 percent he is pretty poor, wonder why simpkin not getting another go, would like to know madge reasoning

There is no reasoning, Simpkin needs game time, only played 5 NRL games and Liddle is struggling and the side is paying for it at both ends of the field, the coach is a moron


Is he with the team? Is he injured?
I think before we call the coach a moron, we should find out if there is a reason why Simpkin is not playing?

He is named in the 21 every week, he drops out every week, some weeks he makes it to the final 19, but never gets a game, I stand by my moron call

 

[cktiger]

Fro-zone.

One of the best rigs to ever play.
Put Finucanes preparations to shame.


Like a condom stuffed full of walnuts.

Yolked as.
Absolute gentleman too.

I don't like his brother though.
Helped him out once with some goods being returned to him and didn't even get a thank you.
Uneventful story though but went out of my way to be kind and whatnot for no thanks.

I remember Kev being particularly close to a fan whom had cancer. Pretty sure he gave her one of his jerseys after a game once. Seemed like a really nice bloke.

That's lovely.
He's a great guy.

Wes, not so much.
He was charged with assault Paulini eh.
Just a gronk IMO.

I wouldn’t believe the story about him and Paulini… from what I heard she was the problem.

 

[Demps]

Fro-zone.

One of the best rigs to ever play.
Put Finucanes preparations to shame.


Like a condom stuffed full of walnuts.

Yolked as.
Absolute gentleman too.

I don't like his brother though.
Helped him out once with some goods being returned to him and didn't even get a thank you.
Uneventful story though but went out of my way to be kind and whatnot for no thanks.

I remember Kev being particularly close to a fan whom had cancer. Pretty sure he gave her one of his jerseys after a game once. Seemed like a really nice bloke.

That's lovely.
He's a great guy.

Wes, not so much.
He was charged with assault Paulini eh.
Just a gronk IMO.

I wouldn’t believe the story about him and Paulini… from what I heard she was the problem.

Idk, he still assaulted a female.
With his ego, I'd say he was also a problem.

Probably two individuals who shouldn't of been together.

 

[Shooter Mcgavin]

kills me to say this i thought we looked better when Mbye went to dummy half, i thought his passing was crisper then Liddle, i am unfortunately seeing nothing in Liddle. His passing was aweful today, he is going backwards

Quite a lot of our players have regressed in their standard of play. How long can WTs afford to stick with Maguire?

Depends on how you look at it Utoikamanu, Laurie, Blore, Maumalo, Luciano, Douihei, Twal, Mikalele, Ofehengaue are players who play for Madge.

The group that doesn’t Mbye, Brooks, BJ, Liddle, Nofa.

Which group is the club trying to move on? That will tell you what will happen with Madge.
The players regressing under madge are the players that have to be moved on not the coach.

The narrative is wrong it’s being pushed by media and people are jumping on it without realising the issue it’s our senior players.

Our playing group is better than what our performances and place on the ladder suggest.

The issue is with Maguire and he should be sacked asap.

I disagree with pretty much everything you said.

This is the same playing group that Maguire has to a large extent signed or re-signed. You involve yourself in a blame shifting exercise. Put Maguire on the market and no club would want him. Put Brooks and Liddle on the market and plenty of clubs would be interested.

I wonder how many supporting Maguire actually have a vested interest in doing so - you know snouts - trough?

We are a bottom 2 roster as was called by a majority of experts at the start of the year. It’s a rebuild. Our level of mediocrity predates Maguire as no one has had the balls to take a long term approach. It’s about living in reality and not some fantasy land where we have a good team and the coach can’t coach.

I’ve heard this from many wishful thinkers.
The roster is average and will only be rebuilt slowly through youth.

If there’s an upgrade I’m all for changing the coach. There won’t be one, no good young coach is coming here. Flanagan is the only realistic option. I’d prefer they stick with Madge.

At the end of the day whatever decision the management with Sheens on board makes will be the right one but using arguments like Madge’s roster etc is a joke. He can only sign who wants to come here and the mess was not created by him.

Well said tyga

I've been saying this for ages

Some people just don't get it though and never will

They have blinkers on

Madge may not be the answer in the end but changing coaches over the years has got us no where

Everything bar the NRL squad is heading in the right direction

Just need to wait for the youngsters to develop

I agree. Though Madge has his deficiencies (which would be mitigated by a half competent assistant or two) it isn’t his fault in my opinion that we can’t attract talent.

Had a little browse through the roosters forum for Fantasy/Draft purposes and found a thread on the Butcher Bros. In relation to Egan being rumoured to us there were some interesting responses…

**Quote 1 -** “Money does talk, but how much value does that hold against learning your craft in a better system at such a young age.

If he remains with us for another 3 years his value will be much higher at the end of his next contract than if he were to go to the tigers and fall prey to their player management.”

**Quote 2 -** “ I can see why they're interested - he's been great the last month but can't see that going to the tigers is a good career move at this stage”

**Quote 3 -** “ I would love to see the Tigers have success but if I was Egan I would stay away from them”

Even with AD when he signed with us said that all his friends/family told him to accept his Roosters offer and to decline the Tigers offer (which I think we offered more $).

To me, our recruitment (or lack thereof) doesn’t seem like a Madge problem, but a club problem.

Club needs to rebrand itself to the public. Getting better facilities via the COE and hopefully the doco series can stimulate public opinion to see us in a more favourable light.

Madge isn’t going great in many areas, though the recruitment troubles were conceived long before he got here in my opinion.

 

[coivtny]

Fro-zone.

One of the best rigs to ever play.
Put Finucanes preparations to shame.


Like a condom stuffed full of walnuts.

Yolked as.
Absolute gentleman too.

I don't like his brother though.
Helped him out once with some goods being returned to him and didn't even get a thank you.
Uneventful story though but went out of my way to be kind and whatnot for no thanks.

I remember Kev being particularly close to a fan whom had cancer. Pretty sure he gave her one of his jerseys after a game once. Seemed like a really nice bloke.

That's lovely.
He's a great guy.

Wes, not so much.
He was charged with assault Paulini eh.
Just a gronk IMO.

I wouldn’t believe the story about him and Paulini… from what I heard she was the problem.

I'd back you. Paulini should have gone to prison for bribing a public official. Had she been just another citizen she probably would have.

 

[rihannafan1]

kills me to say this i thought we looked better when Mbye went to dummy half, i thought his passing was crisper then Liddle, i am unfortunately seeing nothing in Liddle. His passing was aweful today, he is going backwards

Quite a lot of our players have regressed in their standard of play. How long can WTs afford to stick with Maguire?

Depends on how you look at it Utoikamanu, Laurie, Blore, Maumalo, Luciano, Douihei, Twal, Mikalele, Ofehengaue are players who play for Madge.

The group that doesn’t Mbye, Brooks, BJ, Liddle, Nofa.

Which group is the club trying to move on? That will tell you what will happen with Madge.
The players regressing under madge are the players that have to be moved on not the coach.

The narrative is wrong it’s being pushed by media and people are jumping on it without realising the issue it’s our senior players.

Our playing group is better than what our performances and place on the ladder suggest.

The issue is with Maguire and he should be sacked asap.

I disagree with pretty much everything you said.

This is the same playing group that Maguire has to a large extent signed or re-signed. You involve yourself in a blame shifting exercise. Put Maguire on the market and no club would want him. Put Brooks and Liddle on the market and plenty of clubs would be interested.

I wonder how many supporting Maguire actually have a vested interest in doing so - you know snouts - trough?

We are a bottom 2 roster as was called by a majority of experts at the start of the year. It’s a rebuild. Our level of mediocrity predates Maguire as no one has had the balls to take a long term approach. It’s about living in reality and not some fantasy land where we have a good team and the coach can’t coach.

I’ve heard this from many wishful thinkers.
The roster is average and will only be rebuilt slowly through youth.

If there’s an upgrade I’m all for changing the coach. There won’t be one, no good young coach is coming here. Flanagan is the only realistic option. I’d prefer they stick with Madge.

At the end of the day whatever decision the management with Sheens on board makes will be the right one but using arguments like Madge’s roster etc is a joke. He can only sign who wants to come here and the mess was not created by him.

Well said tyga

I've been saying this for ages

Some people just don't get it though and never will

They have blinkers on

Madge may not be the answer in the end but changing coaches over the years has got us no where

Everything bar the NRL squad is heading in the right direction

Just need to wait for the youngsters to develop

I agree. Though Madge has his deficiencies (which would be mitigated by a half competent assistant or two) it isn’t his fault in my opinion that we can’t attract talent.

Had a little browse through the roosters forum for Fantasy/Draft purposes and found a thread on the Butcher Bros. In relation to Egan being rumoured to us there were some interesting responses…

**Quote 1 -** “Money does talk, but how much value does that hold against learning your craft in a better system at such a young age.

If he remains with us for another 3 years his value will be much higher at the end of his next contract than if he were to go to the tigers and fall prey to their player management.”

**Quote 2 -** “ I can see why they're interested - he's been great the last month but can't see that going to the tigers is a good career move at this stage”

**Quote 3 -** “ I would love to see the Tigers have success but if I was Egan I would stay away from them”

Even with AD when he signed with us said that all his friends/family told him to accept his Roosters offer and to decline the Tigers offer (which I think we offered more $).

To me, our recruitment (or lack thereof) doesn’t seem like a Madge problem, but a club problem.

Club needs to rebrand itself to the public. Getting better facilities via the COE and hopefully the doco series can stimulate public opinion to see us in a more favourable light.

Madge isn’t going great in many areas, though the recruitment troubles were conceived long before he got here in my opinion.

The club definitely needs to improve.