Lee's fedora
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What about brooks at lock could he fill there and have Hastings and pearce halves combo see how that works out for the first few weeks
Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion
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cqtiger
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I hope Stefano has a decent character and good principles. All too often these days players (read player managers) break contracts for more dollars.
Ryan Matterson was on a terrific deal as far as the Tigers were concerned. He went for more money but muddied the water with Madge comments. Aloiai much the same and these guys weren’t at the end of their contracts either.
Broncos want to sign Haas on long term deal but he isn’t interested, rumours are that he has been on low money all this time at Broncs and isn’t happy that Fifita and Lodge were paid far more.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Stefano was on a really good deal with us considering he hadn’t played first grade when we signed him. I thought we offered him $500K which was a lot at the time but looking low now.
He should be our marquee player but other clubs would already be putting plans in place to pinch him.
Ryan Matterson was on a terrific deal as far as the Tigers were concerned. He went for more money but muddied the water with Madge comments. Aloiai much the same and these guys weren’t at the end of their contracts either.
Broncos want to sign Haas on long term deal but he isn’t interested, rumours are that he has been on low money all this time at Broncs and isn’t happy that Fifita and Lodge were paid far more.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Stefano was on a really good deal with us considering he hadn’t played first grade when we signed him. I thought we offered him $500K which was a lot at the time but looking low now.
He should be our marquee player but other clubs would already be putting plans in place to pinch him.
tony soprano
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@jedi_tiger said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458461) said:
I'm not convinced AD is a 6
ConePuncher
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Any news on Lomax's movements?
weststigerman
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@conepuncher said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458512) said:
Yeah he's got about 5 years left on his contract. We're looking at signing him for 2 years from 2026.
weststigerman
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Pearce would have been good a couple of years ago, but he's turning 33 next year.
We do need to find someone who can lead the team around, maybe we see if Hastings can do it next year. I would not go near Ash Taylor.
No one really on the market that fits the bill at the moment.
We do need to find someone who can lead the team around, maybe we see if Hastings can do it next year. I would not go near Ash Taylor.
No one really on the market that fits the bill at the moment.
Lee's fedora
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Mitchell pearce is held together with duct tape and glue at this point.
He hasn't played much footy and its a stupid move to go for a bloke that's 33 on his last legs and paying a bag for him to sit on the sidelines sure he's a great leader but we need to look ahead.
We need to have Hastings 7 and madden 6 move brooks on to Canberra or somebody willing to take him and invest in our young boys keep our core together and trim the fat
He hasn't played much footy and its a stupid move to go for a bloke that's 33 on his last legs and paying a bag for him to sit on the sidelines sure he's a great leader but we need to look ahead.
We need to have Hastings 7 and madden 6 move brooks on to Canberra or somebody willing to take him and invest in our young boys keep our core together and trim the fat
avocadoontoast
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@tigers97 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458526) said:
Let's not get too carried away with Madden. He held his own in his first game for sure, but i'm not sure we've seen enough to suggest he'll be our long term half?
balmain boy
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458446) said:
So we're going to gamble on young and unproven halves?
To me it depends what his demands are. Will he accept 300k and no guarantee of being a starter? If his ego allows that i'd much rather have him sharing his knowledge with our young halves. If he wants 600k and be first choice halfback then no thanks. But he's at the end of his career, has some fitness concerns. He'd be a better gamble than Taylor or someone like that.
Jedi_Tiger
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as some have said would rather try and get Pearce and steer clear of Ash Taylor.
Looks like Hastings may be the Hooker / lock that we were hoping Brandon Msith would be.
Looks like Hastings may be the Hooker / lock that we were hoping Brandon Msith would be.
**NRL’s Groundhog Year means it’s déjà vu for fans all over again ... and again**
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-s-groundhog-year-means-it-s-d-j-vu-for-fans-all-over-again-and-again-20210
August 27, 2021 — 3.45pm827-p58mh6.html
A Malcolm Knox article in SMH about salary cap and how entrenched the inequalities of the NRL are (and why no one wants to change this).
The more agitated people are, the less the fundamentals change. When everyone seems angry, the underlying order – who’s on top, who’s underneath – entrenches itself. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose. It was a Frenchman, Alphonse Karr, who coined the phrase in 1862, and, rugby league being to us what philosophy is to the French, it’s true of the NRL in 2021.
The more the game enters uncharted new bubbles, the more deeply it reinforces the status quo. The 2021 season is about to end with virtually the same top, middle and bottom groupings as last year. And, with some small variations, the year before, and the year before that. Fourteen of the 16 NRL clubs are stuck in Groundhog Year.
In the modern game, every gut feeling has to stand up to statistical analysis. Is it actually true?
The NRL is clearly segmented into three divisions, which were quite predictable from the outset given the uneven spread of talent. Some clubs can afford to play representative stars off the bench, in positions where other clubs select reserve-graders. Whether the better clubs have poached or developed their talent matters little; the roster differences are vast. The top six at the outset of 2021 were Melbourne, Penrith, the Roosters, Parramatta, South Sydney and Canberra. The bottom five were Canterbury, Brisbane, North Queensland, Manly and the Wests Tigers. The inconsistent swill bogged in the middle were Newcastle, St George Illawarra, Cronulla, the Gold Coast and the Warriors.
What’s the point?
There have been just two divisional changes this season: Manly (assuming Tom Trbojevic is playing) have risen from third division to first, while Canberra have slipped from first to second. Trbojevic has saved not only the Sea Eagles; he has saved the entire league from the embarrassment of a top-to-bottom repeat set.
For a lockdown project, I broke down the 172 matches played up to this weekend’s round into divisional contests. Forty-eight matches were within the divisions. Of the remaining 124 matches, 91 ran completely as predicted: three in four matches were won by the team in the higher division. Of the 33 that went against the flow, nine featured Trbojevic. Take him out, and five out of six NRL games produced the same result they would have produced in the previous two years.
The Origin period should upset this kind of runaway apple cart. To a degree, it did, with the Tigers beating the Origin-gutted Panthers. But even during that mid-year flux, of 29 matches played between teams from different divisions, 20 were won by this year’s (ie, last year’s, and the year before’s) higher team.
Such results might be just what you’d expect at the top and bottom, but they are similarly repetitive for the water-treading middle teams. The Knights, the Sharks, the Warriors, the Titans and the Dragons are all having virtually the same season they had last year and the year before. Their fans must be dying from déjà vu all over again.
Why should this be worthy of commentary? The strong dominate the weak, duh. Better clubs win more matches. Isn’t this the way of the world, the entrenched interests using a crisis to dig themselves in?
Rugby league is meant to have a salary cap that stops this being the way of the NRL world. The salary cap, aside from saving clubs from spending themselves into insolvency, is supposed to offer the game’s supporters a version of hope: a competition that constantly recirculates its winners and losers, generating new leaders, a game in which everybody can start the season feeling they have a chance. Otherwise, you get the dreaded social Darwinism of the European football leagues.
The evidence is clear, to everyone except the governing body, that the salary cap is a failed model. When Canterbury or Brisbane or the Tigers have to pay second-rate spine players first-rate money to convince them to serve under their coaches, while clubs led by Craig Bellamy or Trent Robinson or Ivan Cleary can get away with securing quality individuals for “unders” - a beautiful euphemism for market manipulation - then the economic measurement of player value is no longer valid. Lower clubs overspend out of desperation and, to confirm the injustice, those clubs are usually the ones who get caught breaching their salary cap. For what, their fans ask – for those players?
The NRL has proposed a salary cap review, but its stomach to take on vested interests has been weakened by the challenges of COVID. Never waste a crisis, say those in prime position. The ruling junta are pretty happy to leave things the way they are, and if the Roosters hadn’t suffered the misfortune of an injury crisis, they would be even happier.
I feel like I’ve made this argument before (plus c’est la meme chose). Plenty of other frustrated observers have. Measuring rugby league players by what they are paid might have been valid if the difference was between a $60,000 contract and a $150,000 one. But in a world where they are certainly happier to take $500,000 and a premiership than $700,000 and a wooden spoon, the rugby league salary is not only an obsolete way to assess value, it’s a sure formula for prolonging the existing order. Alternatives are available – fantasy competitions use non-financial values every week – but few in the NRL are interested in developing them. Why upset the old men’s way of doing business when it is those old men who speak in support of every NRL decision? You scratch my back …
[Thx for uploading - Pls add the Title and Credits out of Courtesy117]
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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-s-groundhog-year-means-it-s-d-j-vu-for-fans-all-over-again-and-again-20210
August 27, 2021 — 3.45pm827-p58mh6.html
A Malcolm Knox article in SMH about salary cap and how entrenched the inequalities of the NRL are (and why no one wants to change this).
The more agitated people are, the less the fundamentals change. When everyone seems angry, the underlying order – who’s on top, who’s underneath – entrenches itself. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose. It was a Frenchman, Alphonse Karr, who coined the phrase in 1862, and, rugby league being to us what philosophy is to the French, it’s true of the NRL in 2021.
The more the game enters uncharted new bubbles, the more deeply it reinforces the status quo. The 2021 season is about to end with virtually the same top, middle and bottom groupings as last year. And, with some small variations, the year before, and the year before that. Fourteen of the 16 NRL clubs are stuck in Groundhog Year.
In the modern game, every gut feeling has to stand up to statistical analysis. Is it actually true?
The NRL is clearly segmented into three divisions, which were quite predictable from the outset given the uneven spread of talent. Some clubs can afford to play representative stars off the bench, in positions where other clubs select reserve-graders. Whether the better clubs have poached or developed their talent matters little; the roster differences are vast. The top six at the outset of 2021 were Melbourne, Penrith, the Roosters, Parramatta, South Sydney and Canberra. The bottom five were Canterbury, Brisbane, North Queensland, Manly and the Wests Tigers. The inconsistent swill bogged in the middle were Newcastle, St George Illawarra, Cronulla, the Gold Coast and the Warriors.
What’s the point?
There have been just two divisional changes this season: Manly (assuming Tom Trbojevic is playing) have risen from third division to first, while Canberra have slipped from first to second. Trbojevic has saved not only the Sea Eagles; he has saved the entire league from the embarrassment of a top-to-bottom repeat set.
For a lockdown project, I broke down the 172 matches played up to this weekend’s round into divisional contests. Forty-eight matches were within the divisions. Of the remaining 124 matches, 91 ran completely as predicted: three in four matches were won by the team in the higher division. Of the 33 that went against the flow, nine featured Trbojevic. Take him out, and five out of six NRL games produced the same result they would have produced in the previous two years.
The Origin period should upset this kind of runaway apple cart. To a degree, it did, with the Tigers beating the Origin-gutted Panthers. But even during that mid-year flux, of 29 matches played between teams from different divisions, 20 were won by this year’s (ie, last year’s, and the year before’s) higher team.
Such results might be just what you’d expect at the top and bottom, but they are similarly repetitive for the water-treading middle teams. The Knights, the Sharks, the Warriors, the Titans and the Dragons are all having virtually the same season they had last year and the year before. Their fans must be dying from déjà vu all over again.
Why should this be worthy of commentary? The strong dominate the weak, duh. Better clubs win more matches. Isn’t this the way of the world, the entrenched interests using a crisis to dig themselves in?
Rugby league is meant to have a salary cap that stops this being the way of the NRL world. The salary cap, aside from saving clubs from spending themselves into insolvency, is supposed to offer the game’s supporters a version of hope: a competition that constantly recirculates its winners and losers, generating new leaders, a game in which everybody can start the season feeling they have a chance. Otherwise, you get the dreaded social Darwinism of the European football leagues.
The evidence is clear, to everyone except the governing body, that the salary cap is a failed model. When Canterbury or Brisbane or the Tigers have to pay second-rate spine players first-rate money to convince them to serve under their coaches, while clubs led by Craig Bellamy or Trent Robinson or Ivan Cleary can get away with securing quality individuals for “unders” - a beautiful euphemism for market manipulation - then the economic measurement of player value is no longer valid. Lower clubs overspend out of desperation and, to confirm the injustice, those clubs are usually the ones who get caught breaching their salary cap. For what, their fans ask – for those players?
The NRL has proposed a salary cap review, but its stomach to take on vested interests has been weakened by the challenges of COVID. Never waste a crisis, say those in prime position. The ruling junta are pretty happy to leave things the way they are, and if the Roosters hadn’t suffered the misfortune of an injury crisis, they would be even happier.
I feel like I’ve made this argument before (plus c’est la meme chose). Plenty of other frustrated observers have. Measuring rugby league players by what they are paid might have been valid if the difference was between a $60,000 contract and a $150,000 one. But in a world where they are certainly happier to take $500,000 and a premiership than $700,000 and a wooden spoon, the rugby league salary is not only an obsolete way to assess value, it’s a sure formula for prolonging the existing order. Alternatives are available – fantasy competitions use non-financial values every week – but few in the NRL are interested in developing them. Why upset the old men’s way of doing business when it is those old men who speak in support of every NRL decision? You scratch my back …
[Thx for uploading - Pls add the Title and Credits out of Courtesy117]
jirskyr
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@jirskyr said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458341) said:
Anyway why would Mitchell Pearce need to go via Blocker Roach's son, via Lee, to chat about a deal at the Tigers??? His dad is Wayne Pearce for crying out loud.
Blocker1963
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There was an article about a North Queensland young player the club had signed, apparently very gifted ? Anybody about it ? in the Rockhampton news
balmain boy
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@blocker1963 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458592) said:
It's been reported in this thread about 3 times. It's a kid from Kirwan High School joining our flegg squad. Young centre.
davey_farrell
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@balmain-boy said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458595) said:
Hi Balmain Boy
Head back a few pages there is an article on him, looks very promising and youtube package of a game ..
@blocker1963 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458592) said:
He's a Dudley..
Don Kershane
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@full80 said in [Signing Suggestions & Rumours](/post/1458568) said:
Malcolm Knox always does his homework before publishing. Can you imagine any of the current troglodytes masquerading as RL journalists getting off their self serving butts to do the research required for an article like this? Maybe too busy ghost writing articles for recently retired dumbass players.
Pascoes_barber
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Agreed, that's an excellent analysis and article. Thanks for posting it up.
