Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[cochise]

You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

Centralise them with the NRL. If third parties want a player as a brand ambassador then fine, they can reach agreements with them via the NRL and the agreements will be transferable with the player and not contingent on them playing for any particular club. That way there is no restriction on the players making money, just a restriction on clubs artificially inflating their caps.

Why would a company in Campbelltown want to sponsor Luke Brooks if he moves to Brisbane?

Because then they would get lots of Friday night exposure on TV.

Not really because personal sponsors don't get exposure on TV, they probably only wanted him for appearances at their store and now have to pay to fly him down from Brisbane because people want stupid rules around TPAs!

 

[Nelson]

You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

Centralise them with the NRL. If third parties want a player as a brand ambassador then fine, they can reach agreements with them via the NRL and the agreements will be transferable with the player and not contingent on them playing for any particular club. That way there is no restriction on the players making money, just a restriction on clubs artificially inflating their caps.

Why would a company in Campbelltown want to sponsor Luke Brooks if he moves to Brisbane?

Because then they would get lots of Friday night exposure on TV.

Not really because personal sponsors don't get exposure on TV, they probably only wanted him for appearances at their store and now have to pay to fly him down from Brisbane because people want stupid rules around TPAs!

If you want a fair competition then you need to separate third party player payments from club affiliations. You want to sponsor a player? Do it through a central system. You want to sponsor a club? Fine, sponsor a local club and the clubs can incorporate some level of "ownership" over the player's time for publicity in the playing contract. Have a commensurate increase in the salary cap and base player wages to reflect the increased responsibilities.
The current rules are more stupid than anything I could cook up, and I can be pretty stupid...

 

[Tiger_Steve]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/latrell-mitchell-may-make-way-for-david-fifita-at-roosters/473d0917-f0e1-4561-96e3-dc73c073c2a9

According to this article the Roosters would rather hang on to Manu than try and retain Mitchell. Time will tell how the cards fall.

Mitchelll........ bit of a risl

Still not sure if Latrell will blossom into Inglis or Craigie. Could go either way imo

 

[cochise]

You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

Centralise them with the NRL. If third parties want a player as a brand ambassador then fine, they can reach agreements with them via the NRL and the agreements will be transferable with the player and not contingent on them playing for any particular club. That way there is no restriction on the players making money, just a restriction on clubs artificially inflating their caps.

Why would a company in Campbelltown want to sponsor Luke Brooks if he moves to Brisbane?

Because then they would get lots of Friday night exposure on TV.

Not really because personal sponsors don't get exposure on TV, they probably only wanted him for appearances at their store and now have to pay to fly him down from Brisbane because people want stupid rules around TPAs!

If you want a fair competition then you need to separate third party player payments from club affiliations. You want to sponsor a player? Do it through a central system. You want to sponsor a club? Fine, sponsor a local club and the clubs can incorporate some level of "ownership" over the player's time for publicity in the playing contract. Have a commensurate increase in the salary cap and base player wages to reflect the increased responsibilities.
The current rules are more stupid than anything I could cook up, and I can be pretty stupid...

Why don't other sports need to limit personal endorsements and sponsorships. We would be the only sport that I know of in the world to limit what our athletes can earn outside the game. Sounds a great way to make other sports more attractive to me!

 

[sheer64]

You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

Centralise them with the NRL. If third parties want a player as a brand ambassador then fine, they can reach agreements with them via the NRL and the agreements will be transferable with the player and not contingent on them playing for any particular club. That way there is no restriction on the players making money, just a restriction on clubs artificially inflating their caps.

Why would a company in Campbelltown want to sponsor Luke Brooks if he moves to Brisbane?

Because then they would get lots of Friday night exposure on TV.

Not really because personal sponsors don't get exposure on TV, they probably only wanted him for appearances at their store and now have to pay to fly him down from Brisbane because people want stupid rules around TPAs!

If you want a fair competition then you need to separate third party player payments from club affiliations. You want to sponsor a player? Do it through a central system. You want to sponsor a club? Fine, sponsor a local club and the clubs can incorporate some level of "ownership" over the player's time for publicity in the playing contract. Have a commensurate increase in the salary cap and base player wages to reflect the increased responsibilities.
The current rules are more stupid than anything I could cook up, and I can be pretty stupid...

Why don't other sports need to limit personal endorsements and sponsorships. We would be the only sport that I know of in the world to limit what our athletes can earn outside the game. Sounds a great way to make other sports more attractive to me!

But we dont, look at the Rorters!

 

[cochise]

You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

Centralise them with the NRL. If third parties want a player as a brand ambassador then fine, they can reach agreements with them via the NRL and the agreements will be transferable with the player and not contingent on them playing for any particular club. That way there is no restriction on the players making money, just a restriction on clubs artificially inflating their caps.

Why would a company in Campbelltown want to sponsor Luke Brooks if he moves to Brisbane?

Because then they would get lots of Friday night exposure on TV.

Not really because personal sponsors don't get exposure on TV, they probably only wanted him for appearances at their store and now have to pay to fly him down from Brisbane because people want stupid rules around TPAs!

If you want a fair competition then you need to separate third party player payments from club affiliations. You want to sponsor a player? Do it through a central system. You want to sponsor a club? Fine, sponsor a local club and the clubs can incorporate some level of "ownership" over the player's time for publicity in the playing contract. Have a commensurate increase in the salary cap and base player wages to reflect the increased responsibilities.
The current rules are more stupid than anything I could cook up, and I can be pretty stupid...

Why don't other sports need to limit personal endorsements and sponsorships. We would be the only sport that I know of in the world to limit what our athletes can earn outside the game. Sounds a great way to make other sports more attractive to me!


But we dont, look at the Rorters!

And we shouldn't, players should be allowed to have their own endorsements and sponsorships.

 

[rustycage]

I would be absolutely stunned if the rorters let Manu go. Didn't they fly him regularly between NZ and Aust. so he could live at home longer or something? He's been heavily invested in. Mitchell will surely be the one to go.

 

[Cairnstigers]

@Nelson
I have kept quiet on here for almost eighteen months because of the way the NRL is run
This year was no different and what an absolute debacle the Grand final was
What a waste of a year in league terms and the NRL should be absolutely embarrassed

Now that I have said that I believe the following should be put in place to make our game better again

The playing roster for any team should be made up in two parts
1 the salary cap itself which all clubs would be equal at nine and a half million dollars
And
2 a points system for players which can be determined by way of the following

Club player receives 1 point
State of origin player receives 2 points
Play for your country and receive 3 points

Each club can have a maximum of 39 points to spend and if a club has exceeded that 39 points then they should not be allowed to sign any further representative players

Points accumulated by players will be counted against the club the following year so if a team like the Roosters wishe to sign David Faffita they would not be able to do so because they are already over the 39 point allowance
They would need to release players (points) so they could sign David
This would spread the talent of players across all clubs making a more even competition
This is what should happen
This will bring the crowds back to the Grounds and Tv
No one wants to see a lopsided competition
I want to watch games where you can not pick the outcome before it starts

Finally if a player gets third party payments who cares
They can earn what ever they want and can
This is about restricting the strong clubs from stock piling the best players

Sorry for the rabble but now I have had my say
I will now go and hide for another eighteen months
I enjoy reading most posts
:+1:

 

[cochise]

@Nelson
I have kept quiet on here for almost eighteen months because of the way the NRL is run
This year was no different and what an absolute debacle the Grand final was
What a waste of a year in league terms and the NRL should be absolutely embarrassed

Now that I have said that I believe the following should be put in place to make our game better again

The playing roster for any team should be made up in two parts
1 the salary cap itself which all clubs would be equal at nine and a half million dollars
And
2 a points system for players which can be determined by way of the following

Club player receives 1 point
State of origin player receives 2 points
Play for your country and receive 3 points

Each club can have a maximum of 39 points to spend and if a club has exceeded that 39 points then they should not be allowed to sign any further representative players

Points accumulated by players will be counted against the club the following year so if a team like the Roosters wishe to sign David Faffita they would not be able to do so because they are already over the 39 point allowance
They would need to release players (points) so they could sign David
This would spread the talent of players across all clubs making a more even competition
This is what should happen
This will bring the crowds back to the Grounds and Tv
No one wants to see a lopsided competition
I want to watch games where you can not pick the outcome before it starts

Finally if a player gets third party payments who cares
They can earn what ever they want and can
This is about restricting the strong clubs from stock piling the best players

Sorry for the rabble but now I have had my say
I will now go and hide for another eighteen months
I enjoy reading most posts
:+1:

On 1st read I do not mind this point system, the only issue I can see at the moment is not all countries are equal, for example David Nofoaluma and Chee Kam are test players so would both be worth 3 points.

This system would actually discourage people from playing for the second tier international teams because who would want to sign either of those 2 if they were 3 point players.

 

[2041]

The playing roster for any team should be made up in two parts
1 the salary cap itself which all clubs would be equal at nine and a half million dollars
And
2 a points system for players which can be determined by way of the following
Club player receives 1 point
State of origin player receives 2 points
Play for your country and receive 3 points
Each club can have a maximum of 39 points to spend and if a club has exceeded that 39 points then they should not be allowed to sign any further representative players
Points accumulated by players will be counted against the club the following year so if a team like the Roosters wishe to sign David Faffita they would not be able to do so because they are already over the 39 point allowance

Thanks for posting and welcome.

Now... sorry, but your idea wouldn't work. Under your system, if three of your young players get called up for origin or, worse, Australia at the end of the season CONGRATULATIONS! You are now over the points cap and have to shed one or two of them. I know you want to stay at the only club you've ever played for, Nick Cotric and Jack Wighton - but you should have thought of that before you selfishly chose to represent your state.

If you are a young player at a big, rich club and it looks like you might get a call up for New Zealand... SORRY SON - not if you want that nice big contract renewal here. Better twang that hammy pronto, we've only got cash for one point players. You can't *really* be a Kiwi if you live in Melbourne, Brandon Smith.

If you had the honour of playing for your country a couple of times nearly a decade ago but your days of rep quality football are behind you... BAD LUCK! You are now unsignable. Who's going to want to spend three player cap points on you, Chris Lawrence? At least you have your memories.

 

[thegbone]

@Nelson
I have kept quiet on here for almost eighteen months because of the way the NRL is run
This year was no different and what an absolute debacle the Grand final was
What a waste of a year in league terms and the NRL should be absolutely embarrassed

Now that I have said that I believe the following should be put in place to make our game better again

The playing roster for any team should be made up in two parts
1 the salary cap itself which all clubs would be equal at nine and a half million dollars
And
2 a points system for players which can be determined by way of the following

Club player receives 1 point
State of origin player receives 2 points
Play for your country and receive 3 points

Each club can have a maximum of 39 points to spend and if a club has exceeded that 39 points then they should not be allowed to sign any further representative players

Points accumulated by players will be counted against the club the following year so if a team like the Roosters wishe to sign David Faffita they would not be able to do so because they are already over the 39 point allowance
They would need to release players (points) so they could sign David
This would spread the talent of players across all clubs making a more even competition
This is what should happen
This will bring the crowds back to the Grounds and Tv
No one wants to see a lopsided competition
I want to watch games where you can not pick the outcome before it starts

Finally if a player gets third party payments who cares
They can earn what ever they want and can
This is about restricting the strong clubs from stock piling the best players

Sorry for the rabble but now I have had my say
I will now go and hide for another eighteen months
I enjoy reading most posts
:+1:

its a terrible system which luckily will never see the light of day

 

[Bee-Em]

@2041 Yes ever since the day I have been running around sporting fields, and ever since the day Moses (Biblical) was doing laps, there have been strong clubs, and there have been weak clubs, it's just the nature of the beast.

And with so much money involved these days in sport, there will always be (legal or not) dealings going on. The Tigers just just need to learn how to do it, and get very good at doing it.

 

[diedpretty]

You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

No you wouldn't - ban TPA's - players can earn whatever they like through endorsements, advertising etc as long as it is organised solely by the player or his manager. Any sniff of any club having any involvement whatsoever including referring the player or manager to a mate who might help ( yea you Politis ) then the club should be fined and all points stripped. And keep penalising them until its eradicated. Maybe then clubs will be a little more cautious about cheating the cap.

 

[diedpretty]

You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

Centralise them with the NRL. If third parties want a player as a brand ambassador then fine, they can reach agreements with them via the NRL and the agreements will be transferable with the player and not contingent on them playing for any particular club. That way there is no restriction on the players making money, just a restriction on clubs artificially inflating their caps.

Why would a company in Campbelltown want to sponsor Luke Brooks if he moves to Brisbane?

Because then they would get lots of Friday night exposure on TV.

Not really because personal sponsors don't get exposure on TV, they probably only wanted him for appearances at their store and now have to pay to fly him down from Brisbane because people want stupid rules around TPAs!

If you want a fair competition then you need to separate third party player payments from club affiliations. You want to sponsor a player? Do it through a central system. You want to sponsor a club? Fine, sponsor a local club and the clubs can incorporate some level of "ownership" over the player's time for publicity in the playing contract. Have a commensurate increase in the salary cap and base player wages to reflect the increased responsibilities.
The current rules are more stupid than anything I could cook up, and I can be pretty stupid...

Why don't other sports need to limit personal endorsements and sponsorships. We would be the only sport that I know of in the world to limit what our athletes can earn outside the game. Sounds a great way to make other sports more attractive to me!


But we dont, look at the Rorters!

And we shouldn't, players should be allowed to have their own endorsements and sponsorships.

They are - the problem is that clubs like the rorters through Politis and his cronies are more than likely breaking the rules. If Politis even says to one of his friends over a beer that Teddy was talking about doing some modelling and then suddenly Teddy appears in Lowes commercials then the rules have been broken. Its the NRL's total ineptitude at enforcing their own rules that is the problem.

 

[gallagher]

You can't just ban TPAs, you would be banning players from all endorsements or even media work. There is just no way to do it that is fair on players.

Centralise them with the NRL. If third parties want a player as a brand ambassador then fine, they can reach agreements with them via the NRL and the agreements will be transferable with the player and not contingent on them playing for any particular club. That way there is no restriction on the players making money, just a restriction on clubs artificially inflating their caps.

Why would a company in Campbelltown want to sponsor Luke Brooks if he moves to Brisbane?

Because then they would get lots of Friday night exposure on TV.

Not really because personal sponsors don't get exposure on TV, they probably only wanted him for appearances at their store and now have to pay to fly him down from Brisbane because people want stupid rules around TPAs!

If you want a fair competition then you need to separate third party player payments from club affiliations. You want to sponsor a player? Do it through a central system. You want to sponsor a club? Fine, sponsor a local club and the clubs can incorporate some level of "ownership" over the player's time for publicity in the playing contract. Have a commensurate increase in the salary cap and base player wages to reflect the increased responsibilities.
The current rules are more stupid than anything I could cook up, and I can be pretty stupid...

Why don't other sports need to limit personal endorsements and sponsorships. We would be the only sport that I know of in the world to limit what our athletes can earn outside the game. Sounds a great way to make other sports more attractive to me!


But we dont, look at the Rorters!

And we shouldn't, players should be allowed to have their own endorsements and sponsorships.

They are - the problem is that clubs like the rorters through Politis and his cronies are more than likely breaking the rules. If Politis even says to one of his friends over a beer that Teddy was talking about doing some modelling and then suddenly Teddy appears in Lowes commercials then the rules have been broken. Its the NRL's total ineptitude at enforcing their own rules that is the problem.

How would you enforce the situation you mentioned?

 

[Cairnstigers]

@thegbone
Look if they are in your system and contracted for say 3 more years they don't need to be released
That's not how this would work
If a coach is good enough to turn all of his players into international players that's great
But no buying in international players from other clubs to stock pile
And a contract can't be renewed unless the club can shed points
Its about preventing a clubs which exceed the points limit from continuing to sign the top players from other clubs
Look at the Roosters
Australian players
Origin players
International players
Yet they now want Faffita
This system would prevent that
You will never please everyone but it has to start somewhere

 

[Curly_Tiger]

"Signing Suggestions & Rumours"? Am I in the right spot or have I slipped into the "Points based Salary Cap solution" thread?

If I'm in the right spot, I really think failing any movement on Matterson, Packer/Reynolds, Matulino or any others, we are in strife

I can't see that losing Farah, Fonua, Marsters & Rochow has freed up any more than $1.1m. Add to that $200k cap increase and we are at $1.3m. Let's assume Benji, Lawrence & MCK balance to zero. $200k goes on Walters, Brooks lifts by $200k, we've upgraded around 6 (Aloia, Garner, Liddle, Mikaele, Thompson, maybe Talau) so gotta be around $500k or so. That leaves maybe $400k left failing any movement on those others for 3 roster spots, that's base salary guys only

The fact that we are rumoured on Moylan, also POM has mentioned potential moves as likely along with interest in various players gives me hope. Movement is key or we are struggling big time. Hopefully it happens soon or we might miss out altogether

 

[avocadoontoast]

"Signing Suggestions & Rumours"? Am I in the right spot or have I slipped into the "Points based Salary Cap solution" thread?

If I'm in the right spot, I really think failing any movement on Matterson, Packer/Reynolds, Matulino or any others, we are in strife

I can't see that losing Farah, Fonua, Marsters & Rochow has freed up any more than $1.1m. Add to that $200k cap increase and we are at $1.3m. Let's assume Benji, Lawrence & MCK balance to zero. $200k goes on Walters, Brooks lifts by $200k, we've upgraded around 6 (Aloia, Garner, Liddle, Mikaele, Thompson, maybe Talau) so gotta be around $500k or so. That leaves maybe $400k left failing any movement on those others for 3 roster spots, that's base salary guys only

The fact that we are rumoured on Moylan, also POM has mentioned potential moves as likely along with interest in various players gives me hope. Movement is key or we are struggling big time. Hopefully it happens soon or we might miss out altogether

did you take into account our salary cap penalty for 2020 in those numbers?

 

[Spacecub]

"Signing Suggestions & Rumours"? Am I in the right spot or have I slipped into the "Points based Salary Cap solution" thread?

If I'm in the right spot, I really think failing any movement on Matterson, Packer/Reynolds, Matulino or any others, we are in strife

I can't see that losing Farah, Fonua, Marsters & Rochow has freed up any more than $1.1m. Add to that $200k cap increase and we are at $1.3m. Let's assume Benji, Lawrence & MCK balance to zero. $200k goes on Walters, Brooks lifts by $200k, we've upgraded around 6 (Aloia, Garner, Liddle, Mikaele, Thompson, maybe Talau) so gotta be around $500k or so. That leaves maybe $400k left failing any movement on those others for 3 roster spots, that's base salary guys only

The fact that we are rumoured on Moylan, also POM has mentioned potential moves as likely along with interest in various players gives me hope. Movement is key or we are struggling big time. Hopefully it happens soon or we might miss out altogether

Why would we upgrade brooks by 200k

 

[Curly_Tiger]

did you take into account our salary cap penalty for 2020 in those numbers?

I did, but bear in mind they are my best guess although there is a spreadsheet behind them so I'm not just shooting from the hip