Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Aesopian]

We need a pack leader, an experienced head in the forwards that can inspire the others. Proctor has the years, does he have the inspirational presence? Wasn't he also busted for doing coke?

He was captain of Titans a good while. I think he has good leadership qualities which is something Madge is very big on. He also has big game experience

I don't rate him myself. I respect your opinion, Josh, but I don't see him making a huge difference to this side.
A mongrel prop, on the other hand that consistently runs for over 100m a game would certainly make a difference, however. I wonder where we can get one of those.

We’ve got Aloiai who’s been doing that consistently. Sign Christian Welch to partner him who can do the same. Then we’ve got Stefano who should be capable of that given the minutes, then we’ve got Twal and Mikaele who are solid too.

If we had halves who could better control a game, keep us in possession and get us good field position our pack would go better too.

We do need a second rower though. **For a good price proctor is an upgrade on Lawrence and a good leader for our pack. He won’t make a huge impact on the field but he will help lead and build the culture. Needs to be cheap though**

If you want to build a culture of sniffing nose beers then Proctor is your man. Probs league leader in that department

I reckon half the players in the league probably do the same thing.... guys in their 20’s with excess amounts of money and partying all the time

No doubt.

I just can't see sideshow bob setting a good example for the younger guys. Big risk of leading a few astray

 

[Aesopian]

Jwh would be The perfect signing

Taukeiaho would be better imo.

TKO, yes again good point. I'd take him over JWH as he's younger but still the quality we are after. Is TKO the leader we need though? Not sure.

I would be massively impressed if we landed anyone of that calibre though. I'd honestly be surprised if we even got someone of Proctor's calibre.

Wouldn't mention Proctors name in the same sentence as.

TKO myself.

TKO is as good as it gets. If he were available there'd be 15 clubs chasing his services. I wonder how high up his list we'd be LOL

 

[Russell]

We need a pack leader, an experienced head in the forwards that can inspire the others. Proctor has the years, does he have the inspirational presence? Wasn't he also busted for doing coke?

He was captain of Titans a good while. I think he has good leadership qualities which is something Madge is very big on. He also has big game experience

I don't rate him myself. I respect your opinion, Josh, but I don't see him making a huge difference to this side.
A mongrel prop, on the other hand that consistently runs for over 100m a game would certainly make a difference, however. I wonder where we can get one of those.

We’ve got Aloiai who’s been doing that consistently. Sign Christian Welch to partner him who can do the same. Then we’ve got Stefano who should be capable of that given the minutes, then we’ve got Twal and Mikaele who are solid too.

If we had halves who could better control a game, keep us in possession and get us good field position our pack would go better too.

We do need a second rower though. For a good price proctor is an upgrade on Lawrence and a good leader for our pack. He won’t make a huge impact on the field but he will help lead and build the culture. Needs to be cheap though

We all thought (me included) our forward pack was coming along nicely. The last couple of weeks have really found us out. Stefano might be good but he's probably a year or two away from being ready (from the limited game time i've seen).

I think our immediate recruitment requirements are two new front rowers, a second rower, a five eighth, a halfback and a winger (or two). We can deal with the other problems later lol

We know what we need Avo.

Where are you getting the dough from to buy players that aren't Nuffies?

Might be able to afford one or two, but the other three would then have to wait until 2022.

There in lies the problem - we have to wait unfortunately.

 

[Russell]

Jwh would be The perfect signing

I'd happily pay him $1m a year for 3 years. Don't know if we could afford it though, doubt he would come over (though Madge could try through his Kiwi connection,) and not sure he would stay on the paddock as the judiciary might hammer him.

This is exactly why we are in the position we currently are in. You can pay a couple of players in the comp $1m. JWH is not that and it would be a disaster. No prop is worth that money. Maybe Taulmolo is worth that coin.

I don't know mate, I think we're desperate, and the only actions that can get us out of this are acts of desperation.

I understand Madge's youth policy, it makes sense, we can't get established solid players so need to get em young and hope they turn good. But without the experience around them, they won't develop as well. Also, when they start to be attractive to other teams, they may jump ship because we have nothing else here, like Tedesco, Moses and Woods all did. So I feel we need some experience/leadership/mongrel now, and will likely have to pay overs for them because paying less won't get them here.

Dough Mate! where is the money coming from. Are the Tigers going to rob a bank.

 

[Russell]

We need a pack leader, an experienced head in the forwards that can inspire the others. Proctor has the years, does he have the inspirational presence? Wasn't he also busted for doing coke?

He was captain of Titans a good while. I think he has good leadership qualities which is something Madge is very big on. He also has big game experience

I don't rate him myself. I respect your opinion, Josh, but I don't see him making a huge difference to this side.
A mongrel prop, on the other hand that consistently runs for over 100m a game would certainly make a difference, however. I wonder where we can get one of those.

We’ve got Aloiai who’s been doing that consistently. Sign Christian Welch to partner him who can do the same. Then we’ve got Stefano who should be capable of that given the minutes, then we’ve got Twal and Mikaele who are solid too.

If we had halves who could better control a game, keep us in possession and get us good field position our pack would go better too.

We do need a second rower though. **For a good price proctor is an upgrade on Lawrence and a good leader for our pack. He won’t make a huge impact on the field but he will help lead and build the culture. Needs to be cheap though**

If you want to build a culture of sniffing nose beers then Proctor is your man. Probs league leader in that department

I reckon half the players in the league probably do the same thing.... guys in their 20’s with excess amounts of money and partying all the time

Just the person you want among all your up and coming young players.

He could teach them all about his culture - that would be on the nose!

 

[JC99]

We need a pack leader, an experienced head in the forwards that can inspire the others. Proctor has the years, does he have the inspirational presence? Wasn't he also busted for doing coke?

He was captain of Titans a good while. I think he has good leadership qualities which is something Madge is very big on. He also has big game experience

I don't rate him myself. I respect your opinion, Josh, but I don't see him making a huge difference to this side.
A mongrel prop, on the other hand that consistently runs for over 100m a game would certainly make a difference, however. I wonder where we can get one of those.

We’ve got Aloiai who’s been doing that consistently. Sign Christian Welch to partner him who can do the same. Then we’ve got Stefano who should be capable of that given the minutes, then we’ve got Twal and Mikaele who are solid too.

If we had halves who could better control a game, keep us in possession and get us good field position our pack would go better too.

We do need a second rower though. **For a good price proctor is an upgrade on Lawrence and a good leader for our pack. He won’t make a huge impact on the field but he will help lead and build the culture. Needs to be cheap though**

If you want to build a culture of sniffing nose beers then Proctor is your man. Probs league leader in that department

I reckon half the players in the league probably do the same thing.... guys in their 20’s with excess amounts of money and partying all the time

Just the person you want among all your up and coming young players.

He could teach them all about his culture - that would be on the nose!

Despite that one thing he’s been a clear leader at titans and the NZ team. I’m not willing to write him off over one thing

 

[momo_amp_medo]

ok from what seems to be available from off contract players next year to offset our top 30 losses .... my pick would be as follows:-

KEEP Sam McIntyre,
<Oliver Clark (only because rumour say that he will retire from NRL) >Stefano Utoikamanu
<Matthew Eisenhuth, >Jesse Bromwich or Christian Welch
Robert Jennings, >Jordan Kahu (short term contract /goal kicker) also would consider Brett Morris, Josh Morris short term package
<Chris Lawrence, >Paul Momirovski
<Benji Marshall, > Kieran Foran but prefer either Aidan Sezer OR Gareth Widdop from England
<Chris McQueen, >Jack de Belin, or Adam Elliott
<Alex Seyfarth, >Bayley Sironen
<Dylan Smith, >Tristan Sailor, AJ or JAC
<Elijah Taylor, >Kevin Proctor

 

[boonboon]

Who cares if he did a line of coke at 3am on a weekend away when offered while drunk - doesent stop him being a leader

 

[yoyoyoyo]

I know we all get to speculate on this thread with little hope of it manifesting into a reality but here are my two cents worth in line with that hopeful hopelessness 🙂

If I was running the organisation (don't we all wish we could) based on our current squad I would only keep the following players;
- Nofa
- Lulu brothers
- Aloai
- McIntyre
-Mikaele
-Musgrove
- Talau
- Liddle

Out of the remaining players I would keep one of the following ; either
- Packer , Twal, Eiso, - they basically all contribute as a substitute middle forward
- Mbye, Reynolds, Benji, Brooks - they are all halves, regardless of how we play them at the moment, we should free up the funds and bring in a better half with some X factor who knows how to win, and use whichever we keep as the other #6.
- Lawrence, MCK, Garner, - they are all substitute second rowers or add positional flexibility

Douehi is not a premiership winning fullback. Ideally we wouldn't have signed him because unfortunately he is another Mbye. No best position, not fast, but safe. Despite what others think he is not a #6, have you seen his passes? only 2/5 are any good, he would only be a good #6 if he can just be a strong running #6 with a creative #7, #9 and #1 around him. Otherwise keep him as a #14 on the bench.

Get rid of everyone else and keep juniors and some cheap veterans for depth.

That leaves us needing a good
- prop
- second rower
-lock
- hooker ( I still think if Liddle stays injury free he has shown glimpses of creativity) but to be safe we should strive for a top one. Harry has shown us that we are a two try better side when he is playing in the team.
- halfback
- fullback (out of the spine if we just got 2/3 of these new recruits right it should be enough if the other recruit was solid without being spectacular)
- center
- winger (center being the priority if we had to choose)

That's the reality of what we face to have a good enough squad to compete for a premiership.

I think Madge should be given an extra two years to fulfill this as long as it looks like we are moving in this direction. If a better coach comes along great but I dont think we would have the budget nor get someone with his credentials and when recruiting juniors and senior players I think having someone who has won two premierships helps, the issue for recruitment stems more broadly that we are not a desirable location when compared to other strong sydney teams ( I know Madge has a stigma to him but I think positives outweigh negatives) which is why targeting juniors with the odd recruit should see us competitive in 2022.

Anything less than this and we are going round in circles and in five years we will be in the same boat.

Cheerio boys, I know we all have differing opinions but at the end of the day just want a great football team so we are all aligned.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I know we all get to speculate on this thread with little hope of it manifesting into a reality but here are my two cents worth in line with that hopeful hopelessness 🙂

If I was running the organisation (don't we all wish we could) based on our current squad I would only keep the following players;
- Nofa
- Lulu brothers
- Aloai
- McIntyre
-Mikaele
-Musgrove
- Talau
- Liddle

Out of the remaining players I would keep one of the following ; either
- Packer , Twal, Eiso, - they basically all contribute as a substitute middle forward
- Mbye, Reynolds, Benji, Brooks - they are all halves, regardless of how we play them at the moment, we should free up the funds and bring in a better half with some X factor who knows how to win, and use whichever we keep as the other #6.
- Lawrence, MCK, Garner, - they are all substitute second rowers or add positional flexibility

Douehi is not a premiership winning fullback. Ideally we wouldn't have signed him because unfortunately he is another Mbye. No best position, not fast, but safe. Despite what others think he is not a #6, have you seen his passes? only 2/5 are any good, he would only be a good #6 if he can just be a strong running #6 with a creative #7, #9 and #1 around him. Otherwise keep him as a #14 on the bench.

Get rid of everyone else and keep juniors and some cheap veterans for depth.

That leaves us needing a good
- prop
- second rower
-lock
- hooker ( I still think if Liddle stays injury free he has shown glimpses of creativity) but to be safe we should strive for a top one. Harry has shown us that we are a two try better side when he is playing in the team.
- halfback
- fullback (out of the spine if we just got 2/3 of these new recruits right it should be enough if the other recruit was solid without being spectacular)
- center
- winger (center being the priority if we had to choose)

That's the reality of what we face to have a good enough squad to compete for a premiership.

I think Madge should be given an extra two years to fulfill this as long as it looks like we are moving in this direction. If a better coach comes along great but I dont think we would have the budget nor get someone with his credentials and when recruiting juniors and senior players I think having someone who has won two premierships helps, the issue for recruitment stems more broadly that we are not a desirable location when compared to other strong sydney teams ( I know Madge has a stigma to him but I think positives outweigh negatives) which is why targeting juniors with the odd recruit should see us competitive in 2022.

Anything less than this and we are going round in circles and in five years we will be in the same boat.

Cheerio boys, I know we all have differing opinions but at the end of the day just want a great football team so we are all aligned.

You lost me as soon as you wanted to retain J. Leilua. He should have been jettisoned.

 

[Needaname]

I think we need a complete clean out.
Twal, Aloai, Blore, Liddle, Luciano, BJ, Talau, Kepoa, Nofa, Douihei, Garner, McIntyre, Simpkin, Mikalele, Momirovski, Hoffman, Utoikamanu, Madden, Cini, Musgrove, Bradley, Brooks

I count 22 Players we should keep.

Release: Reynolds, Mbye, Jennings, Clarke, Packer, Walters, Eisenhuth, MCK, Benji, Smith, Seyfarth, McQueen, ET, Lawrence.

There’s 14 players I’d let go, subsidise or release irrespective of the cost. We should be able to get 3-4 very good players and some more talented young players with the funds.

We will go backwards losing that experience next year but be in the market big time in 2022.

It’s the only way. It’s proven time and time again our squad are real goers but by mid to late season talent shines and we get left behind.

It should not be as difficult as that.

Set a goal. 2022.
Work out our cap for 2022 inclusive of rollover contacts.
Probably will have about 25 of 30 off contract by then.
Look at players off contract in 2022 and start talking to them in November.
Create a euphoria of this player being interested this player being interested etc.
Target everyone off contract.
Play takieaho up against Hargreaves for instance take the one that flinches first.
Repeat for any other quality players
Do the same with Cordner and Crichton.
Junior Paulo and RCG.
Tapou and Fonua-Blake.
Munster or Papenhuyzen.

With the current squad.
Plan to flick everyone off contract this year.
Resign the better performers for a year extension.

Expected outcome.
New team being discussed in the media this offseason and how everyone can’t wait to see what the tigers look like in 22.
A bunch of young players looking forward to being part of a side playing along gun players and putting in their best performances in 21 to keep up
A bunch of older players on expiring contracts that may just be tempted to stay on another year and have a real dig for a premiership.

I don’t understand why no club has taken this approach all clubs can do this from November 2020 it’s fair game and playing by the rules.

 

[happy_tiger]

We should go hard for Moylan. He would fit in well

Please not that again..

Who's the new avatar of ...what happened to that other bloke ...

Rowdy for his 250th..but it's weird on my laptop it's still Brooks..mobile Rowdy..

Still brooks on here for me.

Its changed to Ivan and Nate now

 

[TYGA]

I think we need a complete clean out.
Twal, Aloai, Blore, Liddle, Luciano, BJ, Talau, Kepoa, Nofa, Douihei, Garner, McIntyre, Simpkin, Mikalele, Momirovski, Hoffman, Utoikamanu, Madden, Cini, Musgrove, Bradley, Brooks

I count 22 Players we should keep.

Release: Reynolds, Mbye, Jennings, Clarke, Packer, Walters, Eisenhuth, MCK, Benji, Smith, Seyfarth, McQueen, ET, Lawrence.

There’s 14 players I’d let go, subsidise or release irrespective of the cost. We should be able to get 3-4 very good players and some more talented young players with the funds.

We will go backwards losing that experience next year but be in the market big time in 2022.

It’s the only way. It’s proven time and time again our squad are real goers but by mid to late season talent shines and we get left behind.

It should not be as difficult as that.

Set a goal. 2022.
Work out our cap for 2022 inclusive of rollover contacts.
Probably will have about 25 of 30 off contract by then.
Look at players off contract in 2022 and start talking to them in November.
Create a euphoria of this player being interested this player being interested etc.
Target everyone off contract.
Play takieaho up against Hargreaves for instance take the one that flinches first.
Repeat for any other quality players
Do the same with Cordner and Crichton.
Junior Paulo and RCG.
Tapou and Fonua-Blake.
Munster or Papenhuyzen.

With the current squad.
Plan to flick everyone off contract this year.
Resign the better performers for a year extension.

Expected outcome.
New team being discussed in the media this offseason and how everyone can’t wait to see what the tigers look like in 22.
A bunch of young players looking forward to being part of a side playing along gun players and putting in their best performances in 21 to keep up
A bunch of older players on expiring contracts that may just be tempted to stay on another year and have a real dig for a premiership.

I don’t understand why no club has taken this approach all clubs can do this from November 2020 it’s fair game and playing by the rules.

Fair point but I don’t see anyone wanting to join this team until the following year and that’s on the proviso the young players get better. I think we need to write off a year front load and release players to get in the game the following year.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

Who cares if he did a line of coke at 3am on a weekend away when offered while drunk - doesent stop him being a leader

🎶.........and that's when I fell for/the leader of the rack.........🎶

 

[the_third]

People complain we need an experienced forward leader, then when we are linked to Kevin Proctor who is one of the few of those off contract people have a cry because it’s not David Fifita.

IMO Proctor is a step up from Garner and Lawrence.

The we winge we paid too much for fafita Jr. Can’t win either way. Probably why only fans should read the forums

 

[rihannafan1]

We need a pack leader, an experienced head in the forwards that can inspire the others. Proctor has the years, does he have the inspirational presence? Wasn't he also busted for doing coke?

He was captain of Titans a good while. I think he has good leadership qualities which is something Madge is very big on. He also has big game experience

I don't rate him myself. I respect your opinion, Josh, but I don't see him making a huge difference to this side.
A mongrel prop, on the other hand that consistently runs for over 100m a game would certainly make a difference, however. I wonder where we can get one of those.

We’ve got Aloiai who’s been doing that consistently. Sign Christian Welch to partner him who can do the same. Then we’ve got Stefano who should be capable of that given the minutes, then we’ve got Twal and Mikaele who are solid too.

If we had halves who could better control a game, keep us in possession and get us good field position our pack would go better too.

We do need a second rower though. For a good price proctor is an upgrade on Lawrence and a good leader for our pack. He won’t make a huge impact on the field but he will help lead and build the culture. Needs to be cheap though

We all thought (me included) our forward pack was coming along nicely. The last couple of weeks have really found us out. Stefano might be good but he's probably a year or two away from being ready (from the limited game time i've seen).

I think our immediate recruitment requirements are two new front rowers, a second rower, a five eighth, a halfback and a winger (or two). We can deal with the other problems later lol

We have Musgrove as well. Send our scouts to the local at South Auckland for recruits.

True, but i'm not completely sold on Musgrove.

I always liked Musgrove. There was something about him when was at Souths which differentiated him from the Burgess brothers. I hope he kicks on as we need his presence.

He looked good. We’ve missed him and Twal badly this season and the rest of our pack looks like they are wearing out without them as they both did a lot of work.

This is the issue when you have a young pack, they don't and can't turn up week in, week out.
Coupled with a general lack of elite talent and inspirational leadership across the park we end up where we end up. At least we have pretty decent coaching and planning from a couple people that know what it takes. Without that we're the Broncos.

 

[tigger19]

If it's true about Proctor possibly coming then surely either Mck or Garner or both will be moved on?

 

[Needaname]

I think we need a complete clean out.
Twal, Aloai, Blore, Liddle, Luciano, BJ, Talau, Kepoa, Nofa, Douihei, Garner, McIntyre, Simpkin, Mikalele, Momirovski, Hoffman, Utoikamanu, Madden, Cini, Musgrove, Bradley, Brooks

I count 22 Players we should keep.

Release: Reynolds, Mbye, Jennings, Clarke, Packer, Walters, Eisenhuth, MCK, Benji, Smith, Seyfarth, McQueen, ET, Lawrence.

There’s 14 players I’d let go, subsidise or release irrespective of the cost. We should be able to get 3-4 very good players and some more talented young players with the funds.

We will go backwards losing that experience next year but be in the market big time in 2022.

It’s the only way. It’s proven time and time again our squad are real goers but by mid to late season talent shines and we get left behind.

It should not be as difficult as that.

Set a goal. 2022.
Work out our cap for 2022 inclusive of rollover contacts.
Probably will have about 25 of 30 off contract by then.
Look at players off contract in 2022 and start talking to them in November.
Create a euphoria of this player being interested this player being interested etc.
Target everyone off contract.
Play takieaho up against Hargreaves for instance take the one that flinches first.
Repeat for any other quality players
Do the same with Cordner and Crichton.
Junior Paulo and RCG.
Tapou and Fonua-Blake.
Munster or Papenhuyzen.

With the current squad.
Plan to flick everyone off contract this year.
Resign the better performers for a year extension.

Expected outcome.
New team being discussed in the media this offseason and how everyone can’t wait to see what the tigers look like in 22.
A bunch of young players looking forward to being part of a side playing along gun players and putting in their best performances in 21 to keep up
A bunch of older players on expiring contracts that may just be tempted to stay on another year and have a real dig for a premiership.

I don’t understand why no club has taken this approach all clubs can do this from November 2020 it’s fair game and playing by the rules.

Fair point but I don’t see anyone wanting to join this team until the following year and that’s on the proviso the young players get better. I think we need to write off a year front load and release players to get in the game the following year.

Yes I agree. Front loading next years expiring contracts this year and some of Brooks, Mbye, Doueihi contracts was also part of it, next year in what I was suggesting.
The point is we target 2022 as the year everyone joins us and prepare the next 2 year rosters around that.

 

[Speed2burn]

The proctor signing sounds like a need for more experience if anything, haven’t really rated him since he left Storm.

 

[avocadoontoast]

We need a pack leader, an experienced head in the forwards that can inspire the others. Proctor has the years, does he have the inspirational presence? Wasn't he also busted for doing coke?

He was captain of Titans a good while. I think he has good leadership qualities which is something Madge is very big on. He also has big game experience

I don't rate him myself. I respect your opinion, Josh, but I don't see him making a huge difference to this side.
A mongrel prop, on the other hand that consistently runs for over 100m a game would certainly make a difference, however. I wonder where we can get one of those.

We’ve got Aloiai who’s been doing that consistently. Sign Christian Welch to partner him who can do the same. Then we’ve got Stefano who should be capable of that given the minutes, then we’ve got Twal and Mikaele who are solid too.

If we had halves who could better control a game, keep us in possession and get us good field position our pack would go better too.

We do need a second rower though. For a good price proctor is an upgrade on Lawrence and a good leader for our pack. He won’t make a huge impact on the field but he will help lead and build the culture. Needs to be cheap though

We all thought (me included) our forward pack was coming along nicely. The last couple of weeks have really found us out. Stefano might be good but he's probably a year or two away from being ready (from the limited game time i've seen).

I think our immediate recruitment requirements are two new front rowers, a second rower, a five eighth, a halfback and a winger (or two). We can deal with the other problems later lol

We know what we need Avo.

Where are you getting the dough from to buy players that aren't Nuffies?

Might be able to afford one or two, but the other three would then have to wait until 2022.

There in lies the problem - we have to wait unfortunately.

So you're saying it's not time to get excited?