StatsInsider article on Wests Tigers

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Fair assessment. This part is the most telling of our problems for mine

No team averages more tackles inside the opposition 20-metre line per game, but only the Bulldogs score fewer points per tackle inside the opposition 20 than the Tigers' 0.51.

If we can actually use the ball when we have it in good field position early in games we may start putting teams under pressure

I seem to remember we were very good in this department last year.

I don’t know how we went last year but I don’t remember it being greatly different. Would be interesting to see the stats

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Great article! Nice to see some actual analysis instead of the usual "hur durr Tigers bad", "Michael Maguire on the outer", "lost the dressing room", "no starch in defence", etc. I don't mind reading a negative article about us when it is based on facts and intelligent thought, rather than gossip, speculation and stating the obvious.

 

[jirskyr]

Fair assessment. This part is the most telling of our problems for mine

No team averages more tackles inside the opposition 20-metre line per game, but only the Bulldogs score fewer points per tackle inside the opposition 20 than the Tigers' 0.51.

If we can actually use the ball when we have it in good field position early in games we may start putting teams under pressure

I think one of our problems, highlighted by the Manly game, is that we often try really hard in periods of the match, especially early, to develop a tight gameplan and mount pressure. First 30 minutes against Souths, Manly, Raiders all looked pretty good. But we are very fragile, and all that work is quickly undone if something goes against us. More often than not, one stroke of bad play or bad luck causes the entire operation to break down, then within 20 minutes we've found ourselves standing under the posts 3-4 times.

I'd be interested to see the stats: after we concede our first points each match, how often does the opposition go on a run of points in short time, rather than Tigers defending stoutly and repelling a second or third try? My memory says that once we concede that first try, we are highly likely to concede several more tries within 10-20 minutes.

The Manly match was case-in-point, so much effort and attempted control, to win the metres, get the ball down their end, get repeat sets and then jag a try off the back of repeat pressure. You are then supposed to maintain that pressure - no mistakes, work the ball up, kick smartly and make the opposition feel like they've never been let off the hook. It's typically easier to score your second and third tries after you have broken through for your first.

Instead, Manly fought back to even out the field position, then without having to do any extra work down our end, some offloads and a bad missed tackle gets Manly their first points from near halfway. Then suddenly its 3-4 tries in quick succession, heads down, missed tackles, lack of energy and application, and we barely see the ball the next 20 mins. Against Cowboys it was errors, just giving them the ball back any time we had won the opportunity to work with some possession.

 

[jirskyr]

https://www.statsinsider.com.au/blog/nrl/toothless-tigers-where-has-it-all-gone-wrong-for-wests

Always good analysis by these guys

Wow great article , it’s a shame mainstream rugby league journos would never analyse or right something similar

Too much thought and energy to do analysis like this. To do the research and develop arguments.

Many folks in the media like to just give opinions and don't bother to try and back it up - the opinion itself is the entire argument. You don't need to work very hard to document your own opinion. And when you lack interesting opinions, you just make stuff up, to create some juice and clicks.

 

[Chicken_Faced_Killa]

Fair assessment. This part is the most telling of our problems for mine

No team averages more tackles inside the opposition 20-metre line per game, but only the Bulldogs score fewer points per tackle inside the opposition 20 than the Tigers' 0.51.

If we can actually use the ball when we have it in good field position early in games we may start putting teams under pressure

I think one of our problems, highlighted by the Manly game, is that we often try really hard in periods of the match, especially early, to develop a tight gameplan and mount pressure. First 30 minutes against Souths, Manly, Raiders all looked pretty good. But we are very fragile, and all that work is quickly undone if something goes against us. More often than not, one stroke of bad play or bad luck causes the entire operation to break down, then within 20 minutes we've found ourselves standing under the posts 3-4 times.

I'd be interested to see the stats: after we concede our first points each match, how often does the opposition go on a run of points in short time, rather than Tigers defending stoutly and repelling a second or third try? My memory says that once we concede that first try, we are highly likely to concede several more tries within 10-20 minutes.

The Manly match was case-in-point, so much effort and attempted control, to win the metres, get the ball down their end, get repeat sets and then jag a try off the back of repeat pressure. You are then supposed to maintain that pressure - no mistakes, work the ball up, kick smartly and make the opposition feel like they've never been let off the hook. It's typically easier to score your second and third tries after you have broken through for your first.

Instead, Manly fought back to even out the field position, then without having to do any extra work down our end, some offloads and a bad missed tackle gets Manly their first points from near halfway. Then suddenly its 3-4 tries in quick succession, heads down, missed tackles, lack of energy and application, and we barely see the ball the next 20 mins. Against Cowboys it was errors, just giving them the ball back any time we had won the opportunity to work with some possession.

My main concern with side has been what you have mentioned we have been on top and in the wrestle of the match but just can’t score. Once the opposition get down our end and score everything just drops and we fall apart and we get ripped apart for two or three. It’s a two fold problem not taking opportunities and having little resilience.

 

[the_third]

Fair assessment. This part is the most telling of our problems for mine

No team averages more tackles inside the opposition 20-metre line per game, but only the Bulldogs score fewer points per tackle inside the opposition 20 than the Tigers' 0.51.

If we can actually use the ball when we have it in good field position early in games we may start putting teams under pressure

I seem to remember we were very good in this department last year.

lets look at the last 5 years. we are rubbish

 

[the_third]

https://www.statsinsider.com.au/blog/nrl/toothless-tigers-where-has-it-all-gone-wrong-for-wests

Always good analysis by these guys

Wow great article , it’s a shame mainstream rugby league journos would never analyse or right something similar

Too much thought and energy to do analysis like this. To do the research and develop arguments.

Many folks in the media like to just give opinions and don't bother to try and back it up - the opinion itself is the entire argument. You don't need to work very hard to document your own opinion. And when you lack interesting opinions, you just make stuff up, to create some juice and clicks.

mate they just quote themselves. I caked a couple of times about stats etc and got a response of I got it from XYZ

 

[StarswithStripes]

Great article. The stats tell the story. A bleak one. There’s hope though for a few wins with our remaining schedule.

 

[hobbo1]

I told you’s all Tamou was a plodder

 

[Spartan117]

Thats actually a very good read.

 

[mike]

I told you’s all Tamou was a plodder

You’re a genius

 

[hobbo1]

I told you’s all Tamou was a plodder

You’re a genius

I know my plodders

 

[Sco77y]

Good read. The lack of ball playing amongst our middle forwards is unbelievable. 31 passes between all four of them.. While the better teams have exceeded that with one player! I guess a lot of our results start to make more sense when you see things like this.

Couple that with our half unable to build pressure or guide the team around, surprised we actually won a game.
I think Joffa will be a far better lock than Twal, but we still have Brooks at halfback, a big concern

Yep, we’re really crippled from both ends. Looking forward to seeing Joffa at lock, hopefully that will improve this statistic.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

I told you’s all Tamou was a plodder

You're bound to get a plodder call right at some point when you call them all plodders.

 

[hobbo1]

I told you’s all Tamou was a plodder

You're bound to get a plodder call right at some point when you call them all plodders.

Not all are plodders but if you look up the ..”west’s tigers sign Tamou thread” you’ll see I’m a genius while the majority creamed there duds ?

 

[Sco77y]

Good read. The lack of ball playing amongst our middle forwards is unbelievable. 31 passes between all four of them.. While the better teams have exceeded that with one player! I guess a lot of our results start to make more sense when you see things like this.

Sadly apart from Leilua they are all cut from the same mold.

It’s a very tough article to read, we really are quite useless as a team and this is all on the coaching staff, imo. Well them and the players can’t be bothered attitude in defence.

It does seem that way. Still giving the coaching benefit of the doubt for now though, since there are many new combinations and players. They clearly all still need to gel. But do worry about some of the players that have already been here for a while and still haven’t progressed - showing the same old flaws in their games.

 

[Tigerdave]

Yeah really good article, knew the halves weren't working, but didn't realise just how few passes the forwards were throwing.

 

[Roar_Power]

Yeah really good article, knew the halves weren't working, but didn't realise just how few passes the forwards were throwing.

Madge just trying to use them as battering rams up the middle but obviously out of touch with this strategy given we are second last in metres gained.

 

[Speed2burn]

Yeah really good article, knew the halves weren't working, but didn't realise just how few passes the forwards were throwing.

Madge just trying to use them as battering rams up the middle but obviously out of touch with this strategy given we are second last in metres gained.

We don’t run in pairs either

Easily gobbled up by the defense

 

[TigerSJ]

Good Article - outlines in clearer terms what many posters have been seeing - not enough metres from our forwards, simple one out runners with no support, lack of skill set, no line speed, effort areas of game well below par, and the list goes on.
I think the lack of resilience comes from trying really hard for 20 mins but still finding yourself behind your line wondering what else can you possibly do to get on top. This results in dropping heads, hands on hips and loss of confidence to be able to fight back. The new rules magnify the swings in momentum and possession and the officiating also effects the outcome enormously.