Sue & Lovett

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With woods back against parra it will be interesting to see what JT does positionally with Sue and Lovett. I was one of the ones calling for Sue to be used wider, I thought he could be a real weapon. So far he has been Defensively fantastic but not offering and threat with ball in hand. Moving back to the middle on Friday night, missing probably the worlds form prop and against the biggest pack in the game Sue was easily the best forward on the park. He went non stop and regularly got us on the front foot.

Then Lovett coming in on the right edge posed a constant threat in attack, scoring a try, being close another time and whilst not at sues standard, was sound in defence. However the biggest thing was that our right edge actually looked like it offered something in attack for once. He also performed very well at center in round 1.

Good headache for JT to have on Tuesday when the side is named. Will be interested to see what he does.
 
Only problem is that Sue will have to go back to the bench if we want to play him in the middle.

I personally think we should persist with him on the right edge. We have plenty of men in the middle.
 
Sue had fantastic game. Copped plenty of heavy hits but just got on with the job. I thought he lead the way for us on fri night.

Tough call whether or not to move him into the middle now as JT has him going well as an 80 minute player on the edges. I'm happy for him to stay in the backrow when woods returns but it's great to have that versatility in the pack.

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I want Sue to stay on the edge. IMO our starting pack is stronger with Sue starting. He was very good in the middle on Friday but, apart from the Titans game, he has been similarly effective on the edge all year.

Lovett is not quite ready to be a regular starting player IMO. His hit ups are particularly weak when not running off a quick play the ball.
 
@southerntiger said:
I want Sue to stay on the edge. IMO our starting pack is stronger with Sue starting. He was very good in the middle on Friday but, apart from the Titans game, he has been similarly effective on the edge all year.

Lovett is not quite ready to be a regular starting player IMO. His hit ups are particularly weak when not running off a quick play the ball.

Exactly ST. So Sue gets dropped to the bench for Lovett because Sue was so good last week?
 
Sue will stay out on the edge to help the halves in defence and he did a great job against the big Dogs pack last week where he did most of the dirty work
 
from WestTigers.com
Along with Martin Taupau and Ava Seumanufagai, Sauaso Sue spent the majority of 2014 as part of an aggression-filled, bone-crunching interchange bench that sought to break down their opponents in every possible way — and with some success.

Under a new Head Coach in Jason Taylor in 2015, that “bench from hell” is seemingly no more, with both Taupau and Sue called into the starting side, and the 22-year-old Samoan international moved from the middle of the field.
And while it’s taken some getting used to, Sue says he couldn’t have been happier with the positional decision Taylor has made for him since he came to the Club.

“I’m really enjoying it this year on the edge,” Sue said about his move.

“Playing back-row, there’s a lot more decision making and things to try to build on from that. For me, it’s a much better feeling because you’re starting in the team.

“But I guess it’s a lot tougher in that sense too. You’ve got a bigger role to play and that means there’s more pressure on you, especially in defence. That’s tougher than the middle. I’ve really got to help my edge and help Mitch as much as I can. He makes pretty good decisions in defence, though, so that helps.

"My role on the edge is to press halves and try to shut down their movement as much as possible, so I guess just understanding the bigger picture of the game and more of what happens has been the biggest challenge for me this year but I’m really enjoying it.”

The 22-year-old Sue, who spent time in the Samoan international camp during the 2014 Four Nations, revealed he knew from the moment he re-joined the team after Christmas that Taylor was planning to move him from the middle of the field to the edge in 2015.

“It’s been helpful having the whole off-season knowing I was playing back-row,” he said.

“I think that was helpful because it meant I wasn’t so much about trying to put on size but more about my fitness. JT and the coaching staff have really helped with that and my positioning about where I need to be on the field and the decisions I need to make.
“My fitness is way better than last year.”
The numbers certainly back up the decision made by Taylor to move the Macquarie Fields junior to the edge as well as Sue’s admission of his increased fitness. Sue’s 53 minutes in Round 1 against the Titans saw him make 34 tackles at a 100-percent completion rate, while his 64 minutes in Round 2 saw him procuce that number and completion rate again, as well as 106 metres on the ground from his nine hit-ups.

“I remember that Round 1 game,” he laughed. “I think I played 50-something minutes and that, at the time, was the most minutes I’ve ever played before.

“That Souths game two weeks later was the first time I’ve ever played the full 80 minutes.

"And then last week, I nearly got through 50 minutes playing in the middle, which we did to try and cover for Woodsy [Aaron Woods] a bit. That was tough but fun."

Four games in to the 2015 season, Sue has averaged 61 minutes, 12 runs, 107 metres, 35 tackles per game — all for just one error and no penalties conceded.

And for that, the prop-turned-lock-turned-back-rower has nothing but praise for Taylor.

“I know that if it wasn’t for the work JT and the staff have done with me, there’s no way I could have done that last year if I was asked to play prop or the 80 minutes,” he said.

“They’ve pushed me really hard to see the best out of me, and they told me all along that they wanted to see 80 minutes from me sooner rather than later.

“JT has been really supportive and helpful in teaching me how I can improve my skiil I think being on the edge now, it’s really important for me to have better skills than when I was in the middle, so he’s really helping me with all those improvements.”

“Personally, I think yes, I’m 100 percent a better football now than I was 12 months ago.

“I think I’ve come a long way in improving my game, and I’m loving the opportunity to learn more and more every game playing with some really talented guys.”

Wests Tigers will look to bounce back from a last start defeat when they take on the Parramatta Eels in Round 5 at ANZ Stadium on Easter Monday, with kickoff at 3:00pm.

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Sue has been moved to the bench to strengthen a weakness in our go forward after 20-25min mark until mid-way through the second half.

Tapau and Galloway run out of puff in their second stint. The lack of stamina in their second stint against the Dogs cost us as both those boys lost the ball at critical moments.

Woods returning and Sue coming on as first rotation may solve this problem.
 
That's what it looks like.

Gotta feel a bit for Jesse after he just said how much he was enjoying starting and playing on the edge. Probably a victim of his own success in being so strong in the middle on Friday.

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I think Sue will move back to starting 2nd row when Lodge returns. Unless of course Lovett kills it. A couple of good selection problems to have!

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@dimitri said:
Sue has been moved to the bench to strengthen a weakness in our go forward after 20-25min mark until mid-way through the second half.

Tapau and Galloway run out of puff in their second stint. The lack of stamina in their second stint against the Dogs cost us as both those boys lost the ball at critical moments.

Woods returning and Sue coming on as first rotation may solve this problem.

yes agree
noticed Galloway gets pretty sloppy when he is tired. That drop ball against dogs perfect example and noticed he gets pretty loose in defence too.
 
I must admit Lovett is going better than I thought he would.

I dunno but he looked solid without being flashy in the 20's but he really looks to have kicked on and fast!
 
Also Moses and Brooks have been throwing lots of speculators at the wide 2nd rowers, and Jesse Sue does not have the world's best hands.

I don't think Sue runs as well into holes as he does when he just picks a defender and tries to carry.

Siro is the complete opposite, he is much more dangerous running lines and has decent hands, with a good pass in him, and thus is your typical wide-runner.
 
@simonthetiger said:
I must admit Lovett is going better than I thought he would.

I dunno but he looked solid without being flashy in the 20's but he really looks to have kicked on and fast!

This is where you need really good talent identification. Its not enough just to be flashy and look better than a heap of other kids under 20\. It often is more about dedication, professionalism, growth, willingness to listen etc.

No doubt Lovett would have rated highly on all those factors.

This is also why we dont just fill our team with all the likely reserve graders and talented kids and call it a good footy side as every second "your team" post does on a Monday. Takes a lot more to be successful in NRL and a Lawrence or a Halatau is usually a better bet than some unproven playergoing well in the lower grades.
 
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