Team for next week vs newcastle
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Tiger_Watto
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@tiger05 said:
lol…. Trolls... You love that one! (no doubt it comes from your childhood kissing some not so pretty behind the dunny block) :laughing:
Lets see how your boy goes.... Obviously Tim is gona give him his shot, but I'll be more than happy for McKinnon to run out this week!
Some of you people do not get it. Moltzen is not first grade material at the moment. He is not a fullback, and never will be. As for him being the fullback next year, he may well be, but at Souths or somewhere else.
Lui is so out of form it is not funny and yet you insist on keeping him in the team.
Miller should be in if only for his kicking game, but he has a lot more strings to his bow than that. Mullaney to fullback. He is the best attacking fullback the club has had in the past 3 years. Don't give me the old furphy of him being too small and suspect defence. Just think Moltzen and bite your tongues.
In the long term we do need some speedy backs. When and if Lawrence returns he is one centre. Ayshford is for the forwards next year. He has done nothing since Lawrence was hurt. I would be making a bid for Wes Nigarma from Newcastle. Can play centre or fullback and can kick goals.
The young Fijian flyer from the NYC ( Koroibete) has international experience and could be given a go. He is big and very fast.
I do not think that we need Blair but if he can be purchased within the salary cap ok. But we need some outside backs badly.
Someone else wrote on this forum that he would not mind if Benji be given a go at fullback. That would be an interesting experiment. You could then have Miller and Lui (who, let's face it, is a 5/8, not a half back) at the scrum base.
We will never win this comp. with Moltzen and Lui (in their present form) being picked every week.
Forwards are ok and will get much better. Fifita, Woods, BMM, Groat, Ellis, Dwyer, Begovitch and Corby are the future.
Let's look to our backline fast.
Lui is so out of form it is not funny and yet you insist on keeping him in the team.
Miller should be in if only for his kicking game, but he has a lot more strings to his bow than that. Mullaney to fullback. He is the best attacking fullback the club has had in the past 3 years. Don't give me the old furphy of him being too small and suspect defence. Just think Moltzen and bite your tongues.
In the long term we do need some speedy backs. When and if Lawrence returns he is one centre. Ayshford is for the forwards next year. He has done nothing since Lawrence was hurt. I would be making a bid for Wes Nigarma from Newcastle. Can play centre or fullback and can kick goals.
The young Fijian flyer from the NYC ( Koroibete) has international experience and could be given a go. He is big and very fast.
I do not think that we need Blair but if he can be purchased within the salary cap ok. But we need some outside backs badly.
Someone else wrote on this forum that he would not mind if Benji be given a go at fullback. That would be an interesting experiment. You could then have Miller and Lui (who, let's face it, is a 5/8, not a half back) at the scrum base.
We will never win this comp. with Moltzen and Lui (in their present form) being picked every week.
Forwards are ok and will get much better. Fifita, Woods, BMM, Groat, Ellis, Dwyer, Begovitch and Corby are the future.
Let's look to our backline fast.
Have to start with a different halfback - if not Moltzen then Miller.
Lui's defence is getting worse every week.
Even the guys on the Nine commentary felt sorry for him after Gasnier first ran around him to make a break and in the next tackle to score.
The most surprising thing to me though was the break Gasnier made in the first half.
He took off and Lui started chasing him - and it looked like a shetland pony chasing a racehorse.
Surely he can't be that slow?
If not he wasn't trying very hard - and at this point in time we need guys to take a leaf out of Utai's book and bust their guts for the team.
Lui's defence is getting worse every week.
Even the guys on the Nine commentary felt sorry for him after Gasnier first ran around him to make a break and in the next tackle to score.
The most surprising thing to me though was the break Gasnier made in the first half.
He took off and Lui started chasing him - and it looked like a shetland pony chasing a racehorse.
Surely he can't be that slow?
If not he wasn't trying very hard - and at this point in time we need guys to take a leaf out of Utai's book and bust their guts for the team.
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Tiger99
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Utai's arm is not broken and will probably play this week. Gaz will be back so will chubbs. Lote is 75% up to sheensy. Wado we will no more later in the week to see how he pulls up.
@magpiecol said:
Col - I disagree with your comments regarding Moltzen however you have the right idea.
We need the following:
1\. A 7 who gives us some options and can defend. Lui at this point is not cutting it.
2\. Some speedy outside backs. McKinnon needs to go.
3\. You missed another key issue. Farah continues to come up with atrocious plays at critical times. He needs to get it together and soon.
We fix the 1,7 & 9 and we are on our way. If we get Ellis, Lawrence and Tuqiri back then things will look a lot better.
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Tiger99
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Sorry all just heard utai's arm is broken 6 weeks.
happy_tiger
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Yeah bad news about his arm Break or fracture Tiger 99
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@tiger05 said:
Something of which you have been guilty of on more than one occasion. McKinnon averages well over 100 metres per game at fullback and puts his body on the line. Moltzen averages less than 100 metres per game and does not put his body on the line. They are the facts, something of which you are continually ignorant of.
@tiger05 said:
1\. We need forwards who don't get dominated and give our players time and space to create opportunity, Lui isn't playing well, but getting bent back by the opposition isn't helping. Further poor performances by Lui should warrant a stint in NSW cup, but I expect to see him bounce back next game.
2\. Your criticism of McKinnon is unwarranted and blinded by your man-love for Moltzen and it's becoming very tiring. Aside from pace, McKinnon is by and far the best fullback this club has, followed by Brown, then daylight, then Moltzen. Wade Mac might lack pace but his defensive efforts are enough alone to hand him the jersey over someone who doesn't want to challenge a high ball, put his body on the line in defense, or run the ball hard back on the kick return! He is a good ball running five-eighth and he has played well in the halves, but even there his game is limited. Add to the mix that he is literally scared of being hurt and that is pathetic for an NRL player, particularly someone you ascribe to being a future fullback!
3\. This is the only valid and sensible point you make, but I see this fixing itself as our first choice left side returns.
Your agenda is tiring and annoying. Next time you sing his praises, make sure you're objective.
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Tiger99
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Sorry ht his arm is broken. Showed plenty to play on.
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Tiger99
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Maybe a better player but no way a better fullback that's just stupid.
hybrid_tiger
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One player who seems to be escaping criticism but should be copping a bit is Ayshford. IMO he has been poor this year and his defence in particular yesterday was terrible.
I like Lui and think he is our best option at 7 but he needs to be put on notice. If he plays poorly this Monday night against the Knights then I would consider dropping him.
I like Lui and think he is our best option at 7 but he needs to be put on notice. If he plays poorly this Monday night against the Knights then I would consider dropping him.
Gary_Bakerloo
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Hopefully this is the team:
1\. Moltzen
2\. Tuqiri
3\. Ryan
4\. Ayshford
5\. Brown
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui
8\. Gibbs
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Dwyer
12\. Ellis
13\. Heighington
14\. Woods
15\. Fifita
16\. Murdoch-Masila
17\. Fulton
Couple of points:
- If McKinnon is fit, he starts at fullback, Moltzen to centre, Ryan to bench and Fulton drops off. Sorry, but Fulton is just too small.
- Brown should never be allowed in the centres again.
- Utai should never play first grade again if Tiquiri, Ryan and Brown are available.
- Schirnack should be playing Jim beam Cup. Completely ineffective. I doubt Leo would even accept him in the Magpies team.
1\. Moltzen
2\. Tuqiri
3\. Ryan
4\. Ayshford
5\. Brown
6\. Marshall
7\. Lui
8\. Gibbs
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Dwyer
12\. Ellis
13\. Heighington
14\. Woods
15\. Fifita
16\. Murdoch-Masila
17\. Fulton
Couple of points:
- If McKinnon is fit, he starts at fullback, Moltzen to centre, Ryan to bench and Fulton drops off. Sorry, but Fulton is just too small.
- Brown should never be allowed in the centres again.
- Utai should never play first grade again if Tiquiri, Ryan and Brown are available.
- Schirnack should be playing Jim beam Cup. Completely ineffective. I doubt Leo would even accept him in the Magpies team.
@cktiger said:
Mr. Lui took him down twice in a couple of beautiful one-on-ones.
Tell me, what would Moltzen have done, other than grab at his jersey and ask him to surrender?
Take the blinkers off.
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Your idea of a fact being that Moltzen doesn't put his body on the line is laughable. That is what you call an opinion not a fact.
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Have you checked out Moltzens metres from the game ? He is a better player than McKinnon.
You might want to check an Oxford dictionary on what constitutes an opinion. Everyone with half a brain knows that Moltzen does not put his body on the line when he's playing fullback. It's plain as day to everyone except you.
And yes, I checked his metres, I did post up the stats yesterday. He made 102 metres, the first time he has made more than 100 metres in attack all year. His previous games at fullback resulted in a paltry and laughable 47 metres against the Gold Coast and a poor 73 metres against the Broncos.
You're either obsessed with Moltzen or related to him. The only thing he has on McKinnon is speed. Mckinnon should be teaching him how to position himself and support the play properly from the back.
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Have you checked out Moltzens metres from the game ? He is a better player than McKinnon.
You might want to check an Oxford dictionary on what constitutes an opinion. Everyone with half a brain knows that Moltzen does not put his body on the line when he's playing fullback. It's plain as day to everyone except you.
And yes, I checked his metres, I did post up the stats yesterday. He made 102 metres, the first time he has made more than 100 metres in attack all year. His previous games at fullback resulted in a paltry and laughable 47 metres against the Gold Coast and a poor 73 metres against the Broncos.
You're either obsessed with Moltzen or related to him. The only thing he has on McKinnon is speed. Mckinnon should be teaching him how to position himself and support the play properly from the back.
@Cultured Bogan said:
You know CB for a little while in the first half I thought he had picked up better in defence playing a little wider where he could take a player side on.
But really - don't you think a first grade player should be able to make regulation tackles without us having to say how wonderful it is?
After a promising few tackles he was back to his worst.
The blinkers were off when Gasnier left him so far behind in his first half run it looked like Lui was running backwards.
His defence was so obviously poor that Ch 9 even replayed his two bad misses in two consecutive tackles that led to Gasnier's try in the second half.
Time to take the rose coloured glasses of yourself CB
