Tedesco

[pHyR3]

Average player who will not improve because he does not have the necessary skills to ever attain the mantle of a good fullback. He stood out in NYC but those days are past tense because he is now playing with the big boys and is being shown up big time every week for the fullback that he is….not. Fed up with the excuses some posters make up for him on here....Only young....playing injured etc. I saw Les Johns take the field when he was on the brink of retirement with bandages from his ankles to his hamstrings and he still killed them. You either have it or you don't....he don't. If we are to ever be a genuine threat to this comp then players must fight for every position....every week, and only find out on the Tuesday as to whether they have a gig for the big game or not. We must be ruthless to attain our goal of another premiership because ladies and gentlemen it is a business and must be run like a business else we will never taste that premiership glory ever again.

Okay, you obviously don't think an ACL tear at 19 is a big deal. Your opinion. But you talk about competition for spots. Who's this brilliant fullback who will surpass Tedesco in every area of fullback that we have to replace him with?

 

[barra]

Played his worst NRL game last night. But definitely worth persevering with, in any case we have no other player who is any better at fullback!

 

[stevetiger]

Yeah I agree. He just doesnt threaten the line at all. seems very easy to tackle. I think his positioning needs work as well. He has courage but thats about it I'm afraid.

I really want Tedesco to be our long term fullback option but lets be honest Moltzen looks more dangerous in attack than Tedesco. We need more out of him.

I suppose we should keep him in the top grade and give it some more time because he isn't bad however at some point we are going to need more impact at the back.

 

[stevetiger]

Every week it's more 'give him time'.
….
The kid has been pushed by too many people before before he was ready.
Our best back three are Simona , Nofu and Koro - three real attacking weapons.

He has been talked up too much hasn't he. I don't want to drop him yet but you have listed the best back 3 that we can put on the park at the moment.

 

[quintus]

Learn to read before you imply what I never said. What's he doing on the park if he is not fully fit? I'm saying that ALL positions within the team should be fought for every week. That should be our goal. In other words no more walk ups. That's one of the reasons that two good backs will be joining us next year as well as another big forward. What brilliant fullback dunce?

 

[magpiecol]

You're off your head

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Great reply! :unamused:

Has he ever made a line break? He just gets smashed every time. I would love to be proved wrong but in attack in his 10-12 games in 2013 he has showed very very little.

Agree. Not a first grade fullback at this stage. If you watch the game, he continually dropped the ball, was going one way when he should have gone the other. No line breaks, (again), runs into people instead. Overall a very overrated footballer. With Koro coming back lets see how young Nofo goes there.

 

[Milky]

Going into the Manly game definitely a backline of

1\. Nofoaluama
2\. Koroibete
3\. Lawrence
4\. Ayshford
5\. Simona

For me..

 

[pHyR3]

Learn to read before you imply what I never said. What's he doing on the park if he is not fully fit? I'm saying that ALL positions within the team should be fought for every week. That should be our goal. In other words no more walk ups. That's one of the reasons that two good backs will be joining us next year as well as another big forward. What brilliant fullback dunce?

He's not fully fit, sure. Half our TEAM is not fully fit. You think Farah is 100% after origin? same with woodsy, teddy, buchanan etc. etc. I'm sure they're all carrying injuries. You can't rule em out if they're not fully fit else we'll be playing our ron massey team half the time.

Tedesco is recoverying from an ACL team, and that requires him building strength and most importantly confidence.

And all positions are fought every week except maybe hooker or 5/8\. If tedesco put up a 2 or 3 genuinely poor games in a row I would not be surprised to see him dropped but he has barely had that many poor games all season. They have been solid, a couple of hic cups here and there but decent overall. He's 20! nofo, simona, and koro have all also had errors. So has farah.

I don't see any value in replacing a young hardworker putting his body on the line every week, performing decently all while recovering from an ACL tear which will keep getting better and better every week. He looked like he was jsut about to make 2 or 3 line breaks last night. needs a tiny bit more agility and he'll start doing well.

Edit: Also, he is bloody fast. 2nd fastest in the team i reckon behind koro. Did you see that chase on Johnson? didn't make it but still that's phenomonal on probably the 2nd or 3rd fastest guy in the NRL.

 

[tig_prmz]

Was very surprised by the chase on Johnson. Good speed. Not sure about acceleration

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[Tigerpete]

I don't understand the critics of Tedesco and what they're expecting. The kid is 20, playing his first full season of first grade. Has come back from a major injury to his knee. Not to forget, he plays in one of the 4 key position is a football side. I just don't understand what people were expecting? We're you expecting Billy Slater like support play, GI like kick returns???

Think about it. He lost 12 months recovering from an ACL injury. it's been clear that there are still issues surrounding the strength in that knee. That entire leg probably needs a bit more strength. Fair to say that whilst it's fully healed, it's not yet a strength level required of a professional athlete. It may be close, but not close enough yet.

For myself, i see it this way.He is our long term fullback and nothing skill or talent wise leads me to believe otherwise. His issues appear physical but i'm patient with this because of the ACL injury. I say judge him on mid 2014 form. But as some have said, he seemed to chase Johnson without any signs of being hindered. So that's a good sign. I don't think he would've done so well in that scenario 3 months ago.

 

[pHyR3]

Yep, tigerpete. Speed isn't as big an issue with his ACL tear it seems. More the stepping and turning, which is how he tore it in the first place.

 

[haberfield_tiger]

some people on have lost their nut. Teddy is 20 will develop into a josh dugan type of player. People on here a way too harsh. It was only last week we were bagging bodene Thompson, but he was solid last night. Sure Teddy made a couple of mistakes but our season is over, these guys need more game time. As far as I am concerned you don't know what you are doing in the NRL until you have at least played 30-40 NRL games. very harsh and unfair to be critical at least he has a real go.

 

[Tigerpete]

Yep, tigerpete. Speed isn't as big an issue with his ACL tear it seems. More the stepping and turning, which is how he tore it in the first place.

True. Though i was thinking more along the lines of the strength lost in the knee and surrounding areas due to the injury. Then of course the time being spent rehabbing the knee before months and months later being cleared to return to full training. He would've lost considerable strength in that entire leg, especially for a pro athlete. A lot of that would only come back due to the week in week out nature of our game. Hence why i believe he wouldn't have gone within coo-eee of Johnson back in April. I don't really expect him to get it back till next season, once he gets through another pre season of strength and conditioning.

 

[shapmar]

I think he has been really solid this year. He is great under the high ball, runs the ball back hard. I think many forget he is only 20 , he was coming back from a horrible injury this year and has been injured a few times throughout the year and is still playing with injuries in his first season of the first grade. He is also running off a key play maker who is horribly out of form and forwards who have lost the battle most weeks this year.

He is our best option this year and will only get better next year IMO

Very well put… Couldn't have said it myself, give the kid a chance, he's out "hearted" the veterans in pretty much every game he's played for us. Once experience develops, he's gunna be a cracker of a FB.
MOLTZEN..??!!! Are u serious... He shouldn't even have a bench spot. He'll never get another shot while Teddy's healthy. And thank god for that. We're gunna have a very young talented side with a sprinkling of experience.. I can't wait.

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[Illek]

Tough situation. If moltzen was fit, id have him building up slowly in reggies as he isn't up to NRL just yet. Moltzen cops a lot of hate, and I don't think he was the long term solution, but he offered a lot in attack with benji, and was starting to take the bombs on the full.

Tedesco hasn't been up to the pace all year. He looked shaky on the wing, and I hoped he would adjust better when in his natural position, but just hasn't found his stride yet. He is coming back from a major injury and from all reports has a lot of potential so am willing to wait a bit longer to see if he can deliver, otherwise Id be tempted to play nofo or simona at fullback as both have plenty of experience at the back and have shown to be up to NRL. Ultimately though my opinion counts for nothing, and we will just have to see how patient Potter is and how good he is at unlocking that potential.

 

[stevetiger]

Teddy is 20 will develop into a josh dugan type of player. People on here a way too harsh.

People aren't too harsh but comparisons like this are not what he requires. Tedesco hasn't looked great. Its that simple. First it was Slater and now Dugan. Tedesco is nowhere near these players. In most teams he would be struggling to hold a first grade spot.

 

[Tigerpete]

From what i've seen of Teddy, he has some characteristics which are similar to Billy but you guys are right, he's nowhere near Billy. He's his own player. He needs time to develop. My one goal for him this season was for him to get through the season unscathed. He's largely done this. He's missed maybe 4 game this year so i'd call that close to a pass mark. We need to give him time. He's nowhere near his potential yet. That will come with further experience.

 

[pHyR3]

Tedesco hasn't been up to the pace all year. He looked shaky on the wing, and I hoped he would adjust better when in his natural position, but just hasn't found his stride yet. He is coming back from a major injury and from all reports has a lot of potential so am willing to wait a bit longer to see if he can deliver, otherwise Id be tempted to play nofo or simona at fullback as both have plenty of experience at the back and have shown to be up to NRL. Ultimately though my opinion counts for nothing, and we will just have to see how patient Potter is and how good he is at unlocking that potential.

Sure hasn't been killer in attack, but his support play has been good and he's shown he's got speed. Also, he's been strong under the high ball and put his body on the line in kick returns and just in general.

For example, last year I would have been great with Beau at fullback over the underperforming moltzen. Beau always looked good there, but not because he was great in attack but because he was safe under the high ball and ran it hard every time. Same with teddy, except that he is likely to develop a far better attacking game as he recovers, so more NRL expreience will help in the long term. With ryan, we knew he'd never be a GI or Barba in attack.

 

[happy_tiger]

I think anyone who has has an ACL surgery would admit that moving in a straight line isnt an issue it's the turning ,twisting that plays with your head for a while

Keep the faith Tigers fans , he is doing all the basics well and when confidence returns he will gradually get more confidence to try more things in traffic

 

[magpiecol]

Learn to read before you imply what I never said. What's he doing on the park if he is not fully fit? I'm saying that ALL positions within the team should be fought for every week. That should be our goal. In other words no more walk ups. That's one of the reasons that two good backs will be joining us next year as well as another big forward. What brilliant fullback dunce?

He's not fully fit, sure. Half our TEAM is not fully fit. You think Farah is 100% after origin? same with woodsy, teddy, buchanan etc. etc. I'm sure they're all carrying injuries. You can't rule em out if they're not fully fit else we'll be playing our ron massey team half the time.

Tedesco is recoverying from an ACL team, and that requires him building strength and most importantly confidence.

And all positions are fought every week except maybe hooker or 5/8\. If tedesco put up a 2 or 3 genuinely poor games in a row I would not be surprised to see him dropped but he has barely had that many poor games all season. They have been solid, a couple of hic cups here and there but decent overall. He's 20! nofo, simona, and koro have all also had errors. So has farah.

I don't see any value in replacing a young hardworker putting his body on the line every week, performing decently all while recovering from an ACL tear which will keep getting better and better every week. He looked like he was jsut about to make 2 or 3 line breaks last night. needs a tiny bit more agility and he'll start doing well.

Edit: Also, he is bloody fast. 2nd fastest in the team i reckon behind koro. Did you see that chase on Johnson? didn't make it but still that's phenomonal on probably the 2nd or 3rd fastest guy in the NRL.

Are you talking about Tedesco or Moltzen.???

Listen my friend, if he is not fit then he should not be playing. End of story.

He is game, as everyone who is playing first grade is, however, he just has not got IT.