"The coach is not the one who misses tackles or drops balls"...

ElleryHanley

ElleryHanley

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I have seen a lot of posts on social media saying "Madge is not the one who misses tackles or drops balls".

Is that 'really' the case though? It is an easy line to preach, but it tends to simplify the game way too much.

Example: Luciano fell off some goal line defense badly last weekend. He also failed to bend down and smother a grubber kick. Direct result was two tries.

This happened a lot with him last year also, where his D from the 30 min mark fell off badly.

Looking back at last week's replay, Luciano was badly fatigued from the 25 min mark. In boxing terms, he was out on his feet. Very, very noticeable.

Madge failed to address this...yet again. Luciano was left out there and missed tackles around the same time he normally does and came up with fatigue related errors.

So, who is to blame for fatigue related errors? The player or the coach?

Our bench use has been horrible for three years straight...fatigue catches up with the same players, who then miss tackles, and make errors.

Maybe a better use of the bench results in those tackles not being missed...so, whose fault is it actually?

"The coach is not the one who misses tackles or drops balls" is incredibly simplistic and infers a coach has no role to play during a game.

And yet, it is the main argument made for keeping our coach.
 
Madge has plenty of downside.
His use of his bench borders upon incompetence.
He shows far too much faith in under-performers, whilst not enough faith in youth when it shines.
He has struggled to get the attack working and been even worse sorting the defence.
Having said all that, the timing of his sacking is not good.
 
ElleryHanley said:
I have seen a lot of posts on social media saying "Madge is not the one who misses tackles or drops balls".

Is that 'really' the case though? It is an easy line to preach, but it tends to simplify the game way too much.

Example: Luciano fell off some goal line defense badly last weekend. He also failed to bend down and smother a grubber kick. Direct result was two tries.

This happened a lot with him last year also, where his D from the 30 min mark fell off badly.

Looking back at last week's replay, Luciano was badly fatigued from the 25 min mark. In boxing terms, he was out on his feet. Very, very noticeable.

Madge failed to address this...yet again. Luciano was left out there and missed tackles around the same time he normally does and came up with fatigue related errors.

So, who is to blame for fatigue related errors? The player or the coach?

Our bench use has been horrible for three years straight...fatigue catches up with the same players, who then miss tackles, and make errors.

Maybe a better use of the bench results in those tackles not being missed...so, whose fault is it actually?

"The coach is not the one who misses tackles or drops balls" is incredibly simplistic and infers a coach has no role to play during a game.

And yet, it is the main argument made for keeping our coach.
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Or you could take a further step back and ask how our organisation came to the conclusion that a 25 min bench forward at a struggling club would be an 80 minute dominant forward at ours. We even had to bring along his unreliable brother to sweeten the deal and he turned out well, unreliable. The coach works with the cattle the club affords him.
 
stryker 69 said:
Madge has plenty of downside.
His use of his bench borders upon incompetence.
He shows far too much faith in under-performers, whilst not enough faith in youth when it shines.
He has struggled to get the attack working and been even worse sorting the defence.
Having said all that, the timing of his sacking is not good.
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Has he been sacked?
 
You can only measure how good a coach is by the team's on-field performances.

A player dropping a ball, missing a tackle or getting back late in the defensive line is an indication of everyone from front office to the lowest paid player in the club.
 
I believe Luciano is playing busted at the moment. Was playing great every week until he injured his hammy a few weeks back. We don't have the luxury of resting players. Our depth players are either not good enough or are injured themselves.
 
ElleryHanley said:
I have seen a lot of posts on social media saying "Madge is not the one who misses tackles or drops balls".

Is that 'really' the case though? It is an easy line to preach, but it tends to simplify the game way too much.

Example: Luciano fell off some goal line defense badly last weekend. He also failed to bend down and smother a grubber kick. Direct result was two tries.

This happened a lot with him last year also, where his D from the 30 min mark fell off badly.

Looking back at last week's replay, Luciano was badly fatigued from the 25 min mark. In boxing terms, he was out on his feet. Very, very noticeable.

Madge failed to address this...yet again. Luciano was left out there and missed tackles around the same time he normally does and came up with fatigue related errors.

So, who is to blame for fatigue related errors? The player or the coach?

Our bench use has been horrible for three years straight...fatigue catches up with the same players, who then miss tackles, and make errors.

Maybe a better use of the bench results in those tackles not being missed...so, whose fault is it actually?

"The coach is not the one who misses tackles or drops balls" is incredibly simplistic and infers a coach has no role to play during a game.

And yet, it is the main argument made for keeping our coach.
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Ellery Im going to put your piss poor post to bed right now....If you are getting paid to play NRL with a big paycheck,play for 80 mins in the position you are talented at or piss off and find the netball court...
Sorry this excuse of poor bench rotation,missed tackles,fatigue etc is garbage,how do we know what Madge and the players do at training,some may need differing times on or off the bench,how does he know who can and cant handle how many minutes unless he tries them all at different stages..fine example is Stefano in the game he got binned,on for 20 secs and in the bin for 10 mins..so wake up everyone and look at the stock going out in our colours ,,,not just the coach...

These guys are in the toughest rugby league comp in the world,if they cant play for 80 mins if needed then they shouldnt ask for the money they want..pretty simple..

HOW long would you last in a big firm as an accountant on huge money ,BUT you cant count,????
 
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TrueTiger said:
Stefano summed it up nicely in an interview a few weeks back....
"Madge is very approachable,he gives us the tools to play and win,the losses are on us not Madge"....I rest my case....
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Well said mate.
IMO, Madge should not have to coach NRL players the fundamentals of the game.
If a player stuffs up on basic football processes, it must be either him or her was not coached properly in pathways, the player has an attitude problem or simply isn't playing at NRL standard.
Could be a combination of all of the above.
When I see players coming to a stop when defending as the ball goes past them instead of instinctively moving to cover highlights several issues.....attitude, effort, fitness, CDF!
The coach can't play the game for them.
The coach can only identify problems to players and offer advice, give them the tools. It's then up to the players to produce.
Our roster is poor because our players simply don't compete at a top 8 standard.
I see a light at the end of a looonnnnngggg tunnel.
 
Seems like regardless of how the bench is used, some individuals are playing gassed or injured which probably explains how games can blow out the way they do. It is always the simple errors and penalties that put the pressure on us and then we can’t defend them. I can’t accept that we don’t work on fitness and injuries expose our depth. At the end of the day we just don’t have the quality of players who turn up consistently and make the effort. I like Madge and his passion but he’s not the right coach for this team as they are. Give us a few marquee players and he’ll get the results. I feel like the season is over for us but with a few injured players coming back I think we have a few wins in us. The fair thing to do would be to give Madge the rest of the year, see how we go in our remaining games and try and sign some quality. Trouble is attracting players when the coaching situation is unknown. There are so many moving parts so I can appreciate the tough decisions that need to be made. I have faith in Tim Sheens.
 
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