The culture of bullying and abuse at Wests Tigers..

[gallagher]

:nerd:

Good to see the stupidity of Steve was easily replaced.

What happened to Steve?

I assume he was punted. He hasn't been around has he?

True. Wow I know he was persistent but didn't find anything he said offensive.
I'm not obviously sold on Taylor either - agreed with some of the things he said just can't be bothered posting as much as he does. Must have missed something.

Dont take my word for it,I might be wrong. One of the mods hinted that he was close to being punted, and I havnt seen anything of him not long after. He might be just taking a break.

 

[happy_tiger]

**cktiger**

"Seems the culture of bullying and abuse is thriving on this forum.
Without the slightest shred of any evidence Ayoub and Farah have been blamed and degraded for the story and accompanying photo appearing on the front page of one of Australia's biggest newspapers.
Some of you would have gone well on the jury at the Salem witch trials.
The people to get annoyed with are the ones at the Sunday Telegraph who chose to print the story - I wonder how many have contacted them to complain?"

**Nelson**
"He publicly threatened to cause damage to the club with his "dirt file" less than two months ago. Marina Go has publicly stated that the leaking of the story is part of a "campaign by a player manager who vowed to cause detriment to this club if we didn't sack our coach." Add to that his long-established relationship with the Daily Telegraph. Add to that the Weidler piece with Sitalkei Akauola which was of the same flavour as this leak (with Akauola on his books and Weidler his long-term puff piece generator). Add to that his general character as evidenced by the Ryan Tandy betting scandal.

Real witch hunt. No rational basis at all for thinking he might have been involved…What are your facts? Do you actually have any alternate explanation for the leaking of the report?"
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**GNR4LIFE**
"He publicly threatened the club months ago with airing dirty laundry, are you going to deny that?

If someone receives death threats then turns up dead a few months later in suspicious circumstances, who is going to be the main suspect?"
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Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

We can only hope and pray that Ayoub is charged for something

He has managed to slime his way out of a situation already

 

[GNR4LIFE]

**cktiger**

"Seems the culture of bullying and abuse is thriving on this forum.
Without the slightest shred of any evidence Ayoub and Farah have been blamed and degraded for the story and accompanying photo appearing on the front page of one of Australia's biggest newspapers.
Some of you would have gone well on the jury at the Salem witch trials.
The people to get annoyed with are the ones at the Sunday Telegraph who chose to print the story - I wonder how many have contacted them to complain?"

**Nelson**
"He publicly threatened to cause damage to the club with his "dirt file" less than two months ago. Marina Go has publicly stated that the leaking of the story is part of a "campaign by a player manager who vowed to cause detriment to this club if we didn't sack our coach." Add to that his long-established relationship with the Daily Telegraph. Add to that the Weidler piece with Sitalkei Akauola which was of the same flavour as this leak (with Akauola on his books and Weidler his long-term puff piece generator). Add to that his general character as evidenced by the Ryan Tandy betting scandal.

Real witch hunt. No rational basis at all for thinking he might have been involved…What are your facts? Do you actually have any alternate explanation for the leaking of the report?"
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**GNR4LIFE**
"He publicly threatened the club months ago with airing dirty laundry, are you going to deny that?

If someone receives death threats then turns up dead a few months later in suspicious circumstances, who is going to be the main suspect?"
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Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

i think just about everyone bar you agrees that at the very least Ayoub has his grubby hands all over it. If you want to keep defending him in spite of the circumstantial evidence that's your prerogative, but i'll take Go and Lawrence's testimonies over yours.

 

[Nelson]

Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

No mate, you don't understand what evidence is which is why you throw out further words you don't understand like "hearsay" and "conjecture" like they're somehow dirty. Hearsay evidence is admissible through a number of gateways under the Evidence Act. Conjecture is nothing more than acting on incomplete information which happens every time someone draws an inference. Circumstantial cases always involve a level of conjecture and they're not necessarily any weaker than cases involving direct evidence.

I hope you don't find yourself on a jury because you seem like the kind of person that would just ignore directions you were given (you would invariably be given a direction regarding inferences) because you think you know best based on…I don't know what. Personally I'm ineligible to sit on a jury, so you don't have to worry yourself over that.

 

[cktiger]

Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

No mate, you don't understand what evidence is which is why you throw out further words you don't understand like "hearsay" and "conjecture" like they're somehow dirty. Hearsay evidence is admissible through a number of gateways under the Evidence Act. Conjecture is nothing more than acting on incomplete information which happens every time someone draws an inference. Circumstantial cases always involve a level of conjecture and they're not necessarily any weaker than cases involving direct evidence.

I hope you don't find yourself on a jury because you seem like the kind of person that would just ignore directions you were given (you would invariably be given a direction regarding inferences) because you think you know best based on…I don't know what. Personally I'm ineligible to sit on a jury, so you don't have to worry yourself over that.

I'll make it easy for you and GNR - you have no proof of anything.
That's an undeniable and simple fact, yet you are happy to tar and feather someone regardless.
Ayoub doesn't seem to be the sort of bloke I'd want to have a beer with, but regardless of your opinions of the man (or Farah if you associate him as part of what you infer), no one has yet to prove he had any association with the story being published on the front page last week.
Speculate as much as you like, but until you have proof you can't blame the guy.
FYI I'm ineligible to sit on a jury too - but I hope if you're ever in trouble you get a set of jurors who don't let their preconceived ideas prejudice their decision.

 

[Guest]

Cut it out guys or I'll close the thread.

 

[jirskyr]

Haha threads that descend into slanging over who has the best legal argument.

I can't sit on a jury! Well I can't sit on a jury better than you!

 

[tig_prmz]

I dont have much problem with the article in terms of pointing the finger at WT management. Nothing mentioned in that can be considered defamatory or false as far as I can tell. i actually doubt ayoub or farah's hand in this as they usually go to SMH for their dirty laundry but wouldn't be surprised to be wrong.

But my main main main fury is at the mention of Mosese (RIP) and the fact that it is front paper with his photo. They've used him as a mean to sell paper- I would be slightly more ok if there was a small mention of it in the article but the way it is advertised is completely wrong and immoral. Illegal? Doubt it. Tells me that this "journalist" or the editor has no moral compass whatsoever considering the fact that this report was over 12 months ago and Moeses' passing away was way before that too.

As we all know, there are stages of grief upon losing someone and being reminded of it like this wouldn't help any of those stages.

The more this drags on, the worse it gets tbh. No point in pointing the finger at anyone anymore as player management has resolved and no one has complained of it with the new system.

As for the two unnamed players (I'm guessing they are BMM- who was quite close to Mosese and Sita who has admitted to sufferring from depression)- I dont quite know what they have to gain from this but hope they can move forward, seek help, confront those who served them wrong personally and not talk about it in public as there are other people who are also affected by it that may not want it all over the newspapers over and over again.

 

[Harvey]

**cktiger**

"Seems the culture of bullying and abuse is thriving on this forum.
Without the slightest shred of any evidence Ayoub and Farah have been blamed and degraded for the story and accompanying photo appearing on the front page of one of Australia's biggest newspapers.
Some of you would have gone well on the jury at the Salem witch trials.
The people to get annoyed with are the ones at the Sunday Telegraph who chose to print the story - I wonder how many have contacted them to complain?"

**Nelson**
"He publicly threatened to cause damage to the club with his "dirt file" less than two months ago. Marina Go has publicly stated that the leaking of the story is part of a "campaign by a player manager who vowed to cause detriment to this club if we didn't sack our coach." Add to that his long-established relationship with the Daily Telegraph. Add to that the Weidler piece with Sitalkei Akauola which was of the same flavour as this leak (with Akauola on his books and Weidler his long-term puff piece generator). Add to that his general character as evidenced by the Ryan Tandy betting scandal.

Real witch hunt. No rational basis at all for thinking he might have been involved…What are your facts? Do you actually have any alternate explanation for the leaking of the report?"
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**GNR4LIFE**
"He publicly threatened the club months ago with airing dirty laundry, are you going to deny that?

If someone receives death threats then turns up dead a few months later in suspicious circumstances, who is going to be the main suspect?"
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Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

Yes lets get some evidence. Get Phelps to name his source. Everyone knows how well that works with journalists.

So there is a lawyer who has represented Farah on the behest of Ayoub who put this report together and gave it to the club. Ayoub pointed out that he had dirt on the club, was it this report or is there more there?
When Robbie was singing his sad songs last year, Akaoula came out and bad mouthed the coach, the club and spoke of contemplating suicide (the same quotes that apparently appear in the report). Now the report has made the paper. It was either leaked by Ayoub, the tigers, the RLPA or the lawyer. Which do you think it was.
Maybe the tele found it in a bin in a stroke of luck (after all it was 12 months old).

Unfortunately I cannot find the 3 monkey emojis, with one covering their eyes, the other their ears and the 3rd covering its mouth. The 3rd monkey used by be managed by Ayoub, but did not agree with the company philosophy

 

[Harvey]

:nerd:

Good to see the stupidity of Steve was easily replaced.

What happened to Steve?

He has reviewed his opinion and is currently working on defending better, rather than attack.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Seems the culture of bullying and abuse is thriving on this forum.
Without the slightest shred of any evidence Ayoub and Farah have been blamed and degraded for the story and accompanying photo appearing on the front page of one of Australia's biggest newspapers.
Some of you would have gone well on the jury at the Salem witch trials.
The people to get annoyed with are the ones at the Sunday Telegraph who chose to print the story - I wonder how many have contacted them to complain?

**You obviously don't know what evidence is or are incapable of drawing an inference** if you do not think that Ayoub is in any way implicated. Common sense is a legitimate form of logic, I suggest you start using it.

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Seems the culture of bullying and abuse is thriving on this forum
Without the slightest shred of any evidence Ayoub and Farah have been blamed and degraded for the story and accompanying photo appearing on the front page of one of Australia's biggest newspapers.
Some of you would have gone well on the jury at the Salem witch trials.
The people to get annoyed with are the ones at the Sunday Telegraph who chose to print the story - I wonder how many have contacted them to complain?

Who is Chris Lawrence and Miranda Go alluding to **i wonder**

I have no reason to stick up for Ayoub but I actually do know what evidence is - do either of you have any?
All you have is innuendo - not one fact from anywhere.
You don't like the guy so believe anything without a right of reply….
Forget the facts - burn the witches!

He publicly threatened the club months ago with airing dirty laundry, are you going to deny that?

If someone receives death threats then turns up dead a few months later in suspicious circumstances, who is going to be the main suspect?

I agree that the telegraph had no right to plaster the players photo across the paper. And in this instance deserve the crap going their way.
As for the other bile that's been thrown around, I agree with CK , that, as none of us has a clue about who decided to run this story, its useless throwing more crap at any one,
But it makes a few happy to use the chance to grind their axe a bit more

I'm not in favour of closing posts down generally, but some families have lost their sons and brothers in our club and others, so why don't we just give it a miss, for them.
In rehashing it all we are just adding to it.
As far as the Telegraph is concerned, the story will be gone in a few days. And something else will have taken its place. Nothing will change it
Hopefully things here, have improved since then

 

[cktiger]

:nerd:

Good to see the stupidity of Steve was easily replaced.

What happened to Steve?

He has reviewed his opinion and is currently working on defending better, rather than attack.

Some people learn.

 

[happy_tiger]

Haha threads that descend into slanging over who has the best legal argument.

I can't sit on a jury! Well I can't sit on a jury better than you!

Yeah I lived in a hole in the road ….... :roll

 

[happy_tiger]

:nerd:

Good to see the stupidity of Steve was easily replaced.

What happened to Steve?

He has reviewed his opinion and is currently working on defending better, rather than attack.

Some people learn.

I don't think he did CK , I think he has been sin binned for life ….again ........ 😕

 

[yeti]

It's interesting how leaked information is welcomed when its content we want to hear and when it's not it becomes all about who leaked it and what was there motivation.
Quite frankly it is important for this stuff to come out because it makes clubs accountable for their operations. All damming information should be treated with the notion at sometime that it will surface - which is exactly what the club did when addressing this report.

It was important when it came out 12 months ago. And as a result, the club has lifted its game and obviously improved it's player welfare program. It is, however, less than helpful that it was rehashed now in what can honestly be described as a totally unbalanced and biased piece of journalism.

 

[Swordy]

Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

No mate, you don't understand what evidence is which is why you throw out further words you don't understand like "hearsay" and "conjecture" like they're somehow dirty. Hearsay evidence is admissible through a number of gateways under the Evidence Act. Conjecture is nothing more than acting on incomplete information which happens every time someone draws an inference. Circumstantial cases always involve a level of conjecture and they're not necessarily any weaker than cases involving direct evidence.

I hope you don't find yourself on a jury because you seem like the kind of person that would just ignore directions you were given (you would invariably be given a direction regarding inferences) because you think you know best based on…I don't know what. Personally I'm ineligible to sit on a jury, so you don't have to worry yourself over that.

Great response. Was thinkimg word for word myself. But he is still kicking despite your flaming and his third degree burns.

 

[innsaneink]

Going by your replies you both obviously, don’t comprehend what ‘evidence’ is.
You just come back with more hearsay and conjecture.
Nelson – you ask if I have any facts?
Well, no I don’t, which is why I can’t blame someone without certainty.

GNR- being a main suspect does not necessarily make you the person who committed the crime.

Don't report for jury duty anytime soon guys.

No mate, you don't understand what evidence is which is why you throw out further words you don't understand like "hearsay" and "conjecture" like they're somehow dirty. Hearsay evidence is admissible through a number of gateways under the Evidence Act. Conjecture is nothing more than acting on incomplete information which happens every time someone draws an inference. Circumstantial cases always involve a level of conjecture and they're not necessarily any weaker than cases involving direct evidence.

I hope you don't find yourself on a jury because you seem like the kind of person that would just ignore directions you were given (you would invariably be given a direction regarding inferences) because you think you know best based on…I don't know what. Personally I'm ineligible to sit on a jury, so you don't have to worry yourself over that.

LOL….owned

 

[Tiger4life]

It's interesting how leaked information is welcomed when its content we want to hear and when it's not it becomes all about who leaked it and what was there motivation.
Quite frankly it is important for this stuff to come out because it makes clubs accountable for their operations. All damming information should be treated with the notion at sometime that it will surface - which is exactly what the club did when addressing this report.

It was important when it came out 12 months ago. And as a result, the club has lifted its game and obviously improved it's player welfare program. It is, however, less than helpful that it was rehashed now in what can honestly be described as a totally unbalanced and biased piece of journalism.

If you listen to a few on here, Farah and Ayoub control all the media outlets in Australia and get pretty much anything they want published.

If any journalist dares to write a story criticising anything the tigers or JT does than they must be gutter journalists. Is it possible every media outlet and sports journalist is out to get the tigers?

Where there is smoke there is fire. Even the club has come out and said they had to change.

 

[yeti]

It's interesting how leaked information is welcomed when its content we want to hear and when it's not it becomes all about who leaked it and what was there motivation.
Quite frankly it is important for this stuff to come out because it makes clubs accountable for their operations. All damming information should be treated with the notion at sometime that it will surface - which is exactly what the club did when addressing this report.

It was important when it came out 12 months ago. And as a result, the club has lifted its game and obviously improved it's player welfare program. It is, however, less than helpful that it was rehashed now in what can honestly be described as a totally unbalanced and biased piece of journalism.

If you listen to a few on here, Farah and Ayoub control all the media outlets in Australia and get pretty much anything they want published.

If any journalist dares to write a story criticising anything the tigers or JT does than they must be gutter journalists. Is it possible every media outlet and sports journalist is out to get the tigers?

Where there is smoke there is fire. Even the club has come out and said they had to change.

As I said, this WAS an important story - 12 months ago! What the club has done in the meantime is commendable. What the Sunday Telegraph has done with a rehash of this story without a balanced appraisal is deporable.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Had the story been presented as this is what things were like, but the club has now become the benchmark in player well being, that would have been fine. It wasn't presented that way though. It was presented like its how the club is being run atm. It was deliberate deception. You can't defend that.