The game in 5 years

I watch a fair amount of junior footy due to nephews and family friends having kids of that age and there is a scary amount of talent out there involving kids who play footy for fun and possess such unique abilities that they are able to bamboozle defences with their footwork, slight of hand and vision. Unfortunately when they are signed up, a lot of this is coached out of them in favour of what has become the blue print for how these guys should play today's game.

So for starters, I would suggest that a review of coaching requirements for junior rep and train on clinics should be held to ensure that these kids are encouraged rather than discouraged. Obviouisly structure is important but it is not the be all and end all that most claim it to be.

As for the game itself, 5 suggestions to allow creativity to again feature in RL:

1) Reduce the interchange.
Allowing 10 replacements during an 80 minute game is ridiculous. It was supposed to help speed the game up but IMO has had the opposite effect. All it has done is allowed the forwards to remain relatively fresh throughout the game. It has taken away the advantage of the smaller, more skillful players who used to come into their own when the pigs started fatigueing. So instead of seeing backs make breaks or halves carve up the middle during the 10 minutes before half time and at the end of the game, we are seeing forwards who have only played 45 minutes of game time chasing down backs who have played the full game.

It has also given coaches the power to have a bet each way on the naming of the team each week by having players on the bench who can cover for other guys who should not have been selected in the first place. Sometimes players are out of form and they are targetted by smart halves who are watching the game closely as it is being played out in front of them. It is too easy to replace the weak link these days rather than force them to play themselves back into form. For mine a reduction to 6 interchanges would allow the creativity and skills of players to shine when the stronger, more dominating players tire.

2) Erradicate the wrestle.
We showed the league in 2005 that if you play the game fast and use all skills available, you can beat any side in the comp. The game has changed for the worse ever since as coaches plotted to slow the play the balls down. Instead of being tackled, quickly playing the ball and allowing others to capitalise on the good work already done, we have been left with two monsters wrapping the player up and slowing the play the ball to the extent that the defensive lines are constantly set for each play. Those that would historically back their skills against retiring defenses are now left with no time at all to attack properly as they have defenders in the face 1 second after they recieve the ball. For this reason we rarely see any enterprising backline moves involving a couple of switch plays etc…as there just is not enough time or room to pull these things off.

3) Time suspension for stoppages.
I would hazard a guess that a typical game of RL would only see 65-70 minutes of actual game play out of the 80 allocated. There are so many ways to run the clock down with kicks into touch, penalty conversion attempts, try conversion attempts, kicking the ball dead, scrums, line drop outs, arguing with ref, purposely giving penalties away etc....all of which are designed to allow players to regain their breath and slow the game down even more. I suggest that any of these instances should see the clock stopped so that we the punter get our money's worth for starters, and more importantly fatigue is allowed to set in which once again brings the creative talents of the smaller men into the fore.

4) Scrap golden point.
I am all for extra time but this latest trend of a field goal-a-thon is so dull that it is barely even worth it. For mine, extra time should be 5 minutes each way with the only thing that can end this period being a try. In finals and rep footy a second 10 minutes should be allocated to ensure a victor. this means if the scores are level, you have to play on for a further 10 minutes. Once again this will witness the skillful taking charge and securing the result.

5) Bonus points for tries.
As in the Super 15, I think the team who scores the most tries should be rewarded with a bonus point. There has been numerous occurances where a team has scored more tries but lost due to the other side playing methodical, penalty pulling football and kicking a heap of goals. The game has to get back to attack being of vital importance and scoring tries the main focus. This will persuade coaches to pour more effort into skills based training and actually work to innovate attacking moves. It will also force the play makers to take a couple of risks which will see creativity levels increase.

Anyway thats a few thoughts there are probably more out there...
 
Agree with what you said except the move to a 5 point try. Would be seen as though we are copying union, no?

Also, for time stoppages. I'd say only stop the clock after tries/video ref decisions. No point stoping and starting all the time and that's the biggest time waster.

And dunno what happened with those new scrum rules they were putting in about having to be locked in within 30seconds. Can't remember what it was but IIRC it was needlessley complicated. Just have it, 30 seconds to pack down. If one team isn't ready to go then the other gets a tap from that position. Make an exception for injuries if needed i guess.

The rulebook needs a SERIOUS reworking. Simplify all this crap down, i hear a lot from casual league watchers that they dont understand this or that and when i explain it, even i think about how unnecessarily convulted it is. They tried to do that with the obstruction this year, but they need to do it well in lots of sections. Especially penalties

Thing is, I'm not sure if all of that will necessarily result in entertaining footy. it might be faster and a bit more creative but teams will still be tempted to hit up the 5 and kick i reckon. You talked about looking for that creativity from the juniors, but that's really hard to implement. That's what im struggling with…
 
6 interchanges

2 more sides Ipswich/Sunshine Coast /WA/possibly PNG

Changes to rep season

True home and away ,get rid of pre season training

Bring in trading system period ( preferably during rep season)

Get rid of Top 8 rewards mediocrity back to Top 5

Love to see a relegation system in (much like EPL ,How you do this ??????????????)

Stand alone rep footy

More games in regional areas ( one every weekend )

Rewards for winning away games and even a point if you win a half

Bring back draws

Cheaper merchandising (especially jerseys )

Better membership attractions for interstate members (being able to use your tickets for interstate games if not sold out)

More live FTA games One Friday ,Saturday and Sunday Just because fans can't afford Pay TV they shouldn't be punished for it

More accountability by the NRL in all areas they control
 
Would like to see a greater reward for minor premiers.

Most other things have been mentioned in this thread

If the NRL wants people back it will have to listen to the fans rather than a small majority of coaches / parents. Most of the ideas here are what most of the fans want to see

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@Gold Coast Tiges said:
I agree that the rules should be made more straight forward and any change that gets away from ref's "interpretations" would be better.
Three rule changes which would go a long way towards this is to
1….. Do away with the double movement rule and when an attacking player is tackled near the line , if he can reach out and ground the ball on or over the line than a try should be awarded. It takes out the ref having an opinion on whether his momentum has carried him over the line or not..(obviously he cannot move his body closer to the line) but if he can reach it then it shouldnt matter if momentum does carry him or not, as long as he gets the ball down on or over the line.
The change does not favour one team or another as it applies exactly at both ends and all the ref has to make sure of is that the player does not move the rest of his body once tackled.

2:Stop letting players stand, or be held for as long as they now are . this rubbish started with Harrigan, when the Bronco's entered and he started letting players not only take twice long as they
previously did, but also let passes be thrown off the ground, way more than any referees ever did before(In the name of flowing Football). Any one who wishes to , only has to look at some old vision of the Early Broncos and count the number of passes thrown off the ground or excessively late (especially by Langer )
This habit of Harrigan of letting players stand longer and look around for an age ,eventually led to Gang tackles coming into the Game,and that developed(thanks to MelbournE )into the untidy mEss of Chicken wings ,Crushers and worst of all the Cannonball tackles into a players knees(mostly sideways , a direction that knees are not intended to bend) that we have to put up with every week,
Change the rule to what it was supposed to be. which was: When his forward progress is halted or the arm carrying the ball comes in contact with the ground ,Call HELD!!!! Simple. Still flowing ,faster football , a LOT less injuries and gets rid of the scourge that Bellamy and the Storm have foisted on us as spectators
A by-product of this rule change would be that the massive forwards that we now see changed every 15 minutes or so would be tire quicker ,and just maybe there would be more room for Halfbacks andFive eighths to use skills in a game .

3........Penalties for stripping: If point 2 is used then the gang tackles will drop off, as players will be unable to get to tackles like they can now and still get back in the defence line in time ,so we will have less players in tackles.,less injuries , quicker play the balls, More flowing football, exactly what Harrigan was trying to do ,without all the stuffups that he started, more importance would then be placed on the ball carrier to have better ball security amd we will see the lotto that is now a stripping penalty go once and for all
Maybe not perfect , but simple changes that take away at least Some of the decisions now that never seem consistent
Especially the double movement one.

I Apologise about the cruddy typing
 
@happy tiger said:
Love to see a relegation system in (much like EPL ,How you do this ??????????????)

There must be plenty of semi-professional, teams playing the game (Wyong Roos) come to mind

if you finish bottom two, you go play in their comp and the winners come up

This could be the same league as the reserve grade plays in, obviously a reserve grade side would be ineligible for promotion.
 
Blame the greatest coach in NRL history - Bellamy for **c*in* up the game….and the Administrators for not cleaning it up....
 
Why relegation? We'd be out in 2014…. great way to alienate 100k fans EVERY year....

And good way to ensure we never return, seriously doubt Robbie Farah, Galloway and all the young guys would be happy playing NSW Cup for a season or whatever...
 
The game in 5 years? Not sure, we appear to have the worst administrators, honestly, the Rugby League product is a great product (even discounting the fact that the game isn't as good as it was before the Storm started the stupid, dull and boring wrestling crap), it's built for TV and pretty good live, why isn't it promoted better? Why are people being overcharged to go to games? why is food etc at games so expensive?

I also expected more out of the Independent Commission who appear to be completely non-existent.

Hopefully though, we'll at least see the Captain's Call come into play next year and an overhaul of the stripping rule crap.
 
@pHyR3 said:
Why relegation? We'd be out in 2014…. great way to alienate 100k fans EVERY year....

And good way to ensure we never return, seriously doubt Robbie Farah, Galloway and all the young guys would be happy playing NSW Cup for a season or whatever...

Exactly, there'd actually be a reason to avoid the wooden spoon

and honestly, who gives a stuff about 'alienating' 100K fans of one particular team,

relegation ensures the competition is as strong as possible. unlike now where you can finish last 18 seasons in a row.
 
@Sataris said:
@pHyR3 said:
Why relegation? We'd be out in 2014…. great way to alienate 100k fans EVERY year....

And good way to ensure we never return, seriously doubt Robbie Farah, Galloway and all the young guys would be happy playing NSW Cup for a season or whatever...

Exactly, there'd actually be a reason to avoid the wooden spoon

and honestly, who gives a stuff about 'alienating' 100K fans of one particular team,

relegation ensures the competition is as strong as possible. unlike now where you can finish last 18 seasons in a row.

And what about the players? You can bet you wouldn't be happy once Farah, Teddy and Brooks all left because we just got relegated to NSW Cup for a year. I sure as hell wouldn't.

And the example of the EPL for this relegation is hardly a great one given only 3-4 teams can compete year in year out…. And i can bet we wouldn't be one of those in the NRL It'd be manly, souths, dogs, and maybe souths/chooks.
 
I like the idea of relegation, but with a twist. The team that comes last should play-off with the team that comes first in the lower grade for the spot in the NRL.

Golden point should be golden try. If a field goal or penalty is kicked, play should continue rather than stop. A try is the only thing that can stop a game.

Time off after tries or ball going into touch.

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@pHyR3 said:
@Sataris said:
@pHyR3 said:
Why relegation? We'd be out in 2014…. great way to alienate 100k fans EVERY year....

And good way to ensure we never return, seriously doubt Robbie Farah, Galloway and all the young guys would be happy playing NSW Cup for a season or whatever...

Exactly, there'd actually be a reason to avoid the wooden spoon

and honestly, who gives a stuff about 'alienating' 100K fans of one particular team,

relegation ensures the competition is as strong as possible. unlike now where you can finish last 18 seasons in a row.

And what about the players? You can bet you wouldn't be happy once Farah, Teddy and Brooks all left because we just got relegated to NSW Cup for a year. I sure as hell wouldn't.

And the example of the EPL for this relegation is hardly a great one given only 3-4 teams can compete year in year out…. And i can bet we wouldn't be one of those in the NRL It'd be manly, souths, dogs, and maybe souths/chooks.

What about the players?

They have contracts, the Top teams would be near enough to their salary caps anyway. and why would they leave to another club that may get relegated the next year?
 
@Sataris said:
@happy tiger said:
Love to see a relegation system in (much like EPL ,How you do this ??????????????)

There must be plenty of semi-professional, teams playing the game (Wyong Roos) come to mind

if you finish bottom two, you go play in their comp and the winners come up

This could be the same league as the reserve grade plays in, obviously a reserve grade side would be ineligible for promotion.

It could be done by having lower tier teams play off in a FA Cup style play off system

Or maybe clubs could have two sides entered in the NRL Tigers Gold side plays Tigers Black side

Wouldn't that open a can of worms
 
@Sataris said:
@pHyR3 said:
@Sataris said:
@pHyR3 said:
Why relegation? We'd be out in 2014…. great way to alienate 100k fans EVERY year....

And good way to ensure we never return, seriously doubt Robbie Farah, Galloway and all the young guys would be happy playing NSW Cup for a season or whatever...

Exactly, there'd actually be a reason to avoid the wooden spoon

and honestly, who gives a stuff about 'alienating' 100K fans of one particular team,

relegation ensures the competition is as strong as possible. unlike now where you can finish last 18 seasons in a row.

And what about the players? You can bet you wouldn't be happy once Farah, Teddy and Brooks all left because we just got relegated to NSW Cup for a year. I sure as hell wouldn't.

And the example of the EPL for this relegation is hardly a great one given only 3-4 teams can compete year in year out…. And i can bet we wouldn't be one of those in the NRL It'd be manly, souths, dogs, and maybe souths/chooks.

What about the players?

They have contracts, the Top teams would be near enough to their salary caps anyway. and why would they leave to another club that may get relegated the next year?

There's no way that players pressing for origin selection and other rep jerseys would be content playing NSW Cup for an entire season mate….. No one would ever get signed by the bottom teamsbecause of that risk.

Relegation will never happen in the NRL and it shouldnt anyway.
 
Relegation & promotion is impossible in NRL….theres not the quality available for a start, grounds, sponsorships, memberships....all these things take years to build...logistically impossible
 
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