The only way poms could beat us

PURE OUTRAGE
The English players could get mad - really mad - at what Jarryd Hayne had to say about them. The Kangaroos winger suggested if England won this game, they would deliberately lose to New Zealand the following week to keep Australia out of the final and set up a Poms-Kiwis decider. Whether he was serious or not, any self-respecting Englishman should be fired up after that. If the Poms aren't using it as a motivational tool, they're kidding. The quotes from Hayne should be plastered all over England's dressing-room wall to remind them in the final minutes leading up to the game.
 
i guess so, similiar tactics to which the Kiwis used could help aswell
( rushing up and smashing australia in defence)
 
I think even with that motivation the Poms will not even be able to come close. I think that after last weeks perfomance by Australia they wont be giving the English an inch. Also theres got to be a bit of fear in the Australia camp that if they do happen to loose it thats their Four Nations over. My prediction is Australia 20+
 
We're far too good, even a pathetically lethargic second half and a ridiculous ref couldn't get the poms home.
 
some nice cheating tactics by a few of your boys, it was good to see some of your fans to make it over.
as for the game our right hand side deffense was very bad in the first half but some very good plays from the aussie back line.
Burgess and Crabtree made a huge impact of the bench. If i am honest i thought the Aussie forward was rather poor in attack, not too bad in defence.
 
@stryker said:
We're far too good, even a pathetically lethargic second half and a ridiculous ref couldn't get the poms home.

Credit should go to Sheens for using his bench correctly for once…....even had Robbie up his sleeve when Thurston was binned for tackling someone.........

How good were they in the 1st half...very slick..........Inglis is a freak........

huddgiant01.........DW mate the Poms have got a sniff against the Kiwis Brah....awe who am I kidding.....
 
@huddgiant01 said:
Burgess and Crabtree made a huge impact of the bench. If i am honest i thought the Aussie forward was rather poor in attack, not too bad in defence.

Burgeess was a tank ans crabtree was too.

Souths are lucky to get burgess, he was their best by far
 
Burgess made a lot of mistakes, but other than that he was good. Our pack apart from Watmough were useless. England need to find a few players that aren't scared of Inglis, it was like he was covered in spiders out there. That young halfback showed some real promise. Danny McGuire has to go though, he's all hype and has delivered nothing at international level.
 
I personally think that Australia have been let down in last two games by their forwards. Last week their forwards were getting hammered by the big Kiwis forwards and as a result they were lucky to get away with the draw. This week Australias forwards were once again out muscled by and opposition forward pack. Luckily for Australia they were saved by some individual brilliance from Inglis and Slater in particular. I think that if Australia are to win the Four Nations final their forwards are going to have to step up.
 
@benjibrotown said:
I personally think that Australia have been let down in last two games by their forwards. Last week their forwards were getting hammered by the big Kiwis forwards and as a result they were lucky to get away with the draw. This week Australias forwards were once again out muscled by and opposition forward pack. Luckily for Australia they were saved by some individual brilliance from Inglis and Slater in particular. I think that if Australia are to win the Four Nations final their forwards are going to have to step up.

I didn't think it was that bad, I mean they obviously took the foot of the pedal once the game was gone, but I wouldn't take much out of the game today because the reality was they knew it would only take 25 mins to take the Poms down and so they just cruised through the last hour.

Sheens obviously knew we were home so he would have told them to just defend the second half.
I do think that if they wanted they would have cracked 50 easily.

But I do agree the forwards will still need to approve
 
There is one difference between Australia n England n his name is Greg Inglis he is an absolute superstar… The poms backline needs to get bigger n stronger to beat Australia
 
Kangaroos hold off England fightback

Glenn Jackson | November 1, 2009 - 6:26AM

England 16 Australia 26

Wigan: The saying goes that you're only as good as your last game but for the Australians there is a significant asterix. If they were only as good as their last half then they will be more disappointed than delighted with this morning's 26-16 win over England in Wigan.

The Kangaroos scored 26 points in the first 31 minutes, fuelling the prospect of a blackout against the white knights of England. But the home side's stirring second half fightback, in which much credit should go to them, saw the Kangaroos fail to score another point.

A strange occurrence given the ease in which Australia piled on the points in the first half.

The Kangaroos might have looked rusty against New Zealand a week earlier but they certainly blew the cobwebs out in the opening stages against England, in the process blowing away their opponents. Rustiness became ruthlessness as the Australian left-side attack did so much damage that English supporters booed their team when the halftime siren sounded.

The Australians did not make an error in the first 20 minutes, and by that stage led 16-0\. England had made their intentions clear when Adrian Morley, strong in the opening, hit Ben Hannant, all red and puffed cheeks, hard, but a jammed English defence had no answer when Darren Lockyer sent a long ball Greg Inglis's way. The Melbourne centre returning the favour by sending his five-eighth over for the first try.

When you find a good thing, stick to it, and so the Kangaroos kept going left, where they were finding most of the space. Slater scored his first try after 15 minutes, with Thurston and Lockyer again prominent, and just three minutes later second-rower Anthony Watmough found himself crashing through, with the England defence nervous about his speed and size and the guile of Lockyer and Thurston inside him. Watmough found Inglis, who gave Slater his second try within 18 minutes.

Watmough came up with Australia's first error after 20 minutes, but unfortunately for England they failed to capitalise on their first real opportunity in Kangaroo territory. In fact, Danny McGuire's ball put South Sydney's new signing Sam Burgess under undue pressure, and the player's first real impact on the game was to watch helplessly as Thurston's quick ball sent Inglis on another merry run.

While the spine of the Australian team could not take charge against the Kiwis last week, they dominated England. Thurston particularly was exceptional in the first half, but in Lockyer, Slater and Cameron Smith, the latter's kicking game pinning England deep into their territory, he had more than able deputies.

The funny thing about Australia's determination to go to the left side is that winger Brett Morris hardly touched the ball. They rarely needed to find him. But after 31 minutes, he took advantage of a rare touch to score to help his side to a 26-0 lead just a few ticks past the half-hour mark.

The whack had largely come out of the England game, although Burgess did manage to knock the stuffing out of Brett White. Referee Steve Ganson, whose officiating style resembles his haircut - military grade - and who had again been hard on the Australians, mystifyingly awarded a penalty to the Kangaroos. The English didn't need those decisions to go against them.

They needed something, and they got it. Halftime. The Australians came out in the second half slightly off the pace and the English lifted. Burgess had been busy trying to make his mark against future NRL opponents and he found a try against them not long after the break.

Suddenly English support found their voice and the hits and offloads from the players found their marks. Sheens had taken Smith off just before halftime, sending on Robbie Farah. The Kangaroos appeared to lose some stability around the ruck and Sheens brought his first-choice hooker back on as the English threatened to make more of a game of it.

It hardly mattered as the English kept coming. Ellis, who has already made the grade in NRL so needed no introducing to the Australians, scored, and not long after Thurston was sin-binned by Ganson for a professional foul, Morris slipped at the worst possible time and Lee Smith took full advantage, scoring in the corner to help his side back to within just 10 points of the Kangaroos.

AUSTRALIA 26 (B Slater 2 G Inglis D Lockyer B Morris tries J Thurston 3 goals) bt ENGLAND 16 (S Burgess G Ellis L Smith tries K Sinfield L Smith goals) at DW Stadium. Referee: Steve Ganson.
Source: The Sun-Herald
 
@Mystery said:
There is one difference between Australia n England n his name is Greg Inglis he is an absolute superstar… The poms backline needs to get bigger n stronger to beat Australia

if we sort out our back line, we have a good chance in a few years, the problem is most backs in super league are imports, the less we have the better.
 
@Marshall_magic said:
@Paris Cobbs said:
I didn't see the game - how did Robbie go?

Pretty ordinary. Made a few mistakes, and threw some hospital balls that didn't need to be pushed. Probably a 5/10 at best.

Thanks MM, I wish I hadn't asked.

I think he can't play anywhere near his best until he develops some combination with his team mates and he can't do that without significant game time. He's a creative and unpredictable player, and none of his Australian team mates has any experience playing with him. Cameron Smith plays much more 'straight' with only occasional variation. He also has the huge advantage of having a club relationship with Inglis and Slater and having played a lot with Thurston and Lockyer with Qld and Australia. Robbie is a much better player than Smith IMO but he has little chance of being able to show this.
 
@Marshall_magic said:
@Paris Cobbs said:
I didn't see the game - how did Robbie go?

Pretty ordinary. Made a few mistakes, and threw some hospital balls that didn't need to be pushed. Probably a 5/10 at best.

He was not that bad at all. The one pass that was almost intercepted near the goal line - the pom had to be offside. Other than that, Robbie went OK - on the field for about 20 mins I think.
 
If Tony Smith picks Mcguire,Smith,Sinfield and Peacock again, which he will, then england have no hope against nz, which is just as well, no-one wants to see a one sided final. Smith and Mcguire practically gave australia a 26pt start in the game. Australia werent great last week or this, but come the final they'll turn on the style.
 
I think for Australia to win this thing, they need to get rid of Hodges from the backline. The guy is the biggest ball hog, and Jarryd Hayne is just wasted outside him. I would switch Inglis to the Right Hand Side (he'll dominate whichever side he plays on) and bring Josh Morris into the side, on the left flank with his brother.

FB: Slater
LW: Brett Morris
LC: Josh Morris
RC: Inglis
RW: Hayne

the carnage that both sides can cause is frightening to think about.
 
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