The Penrith project - applies to WT too

russelldp

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All of the points raised by Gould apply to WT. I hope Mayer and our Board are taking note- the bar is being set higher!
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Why NRL clubs need to play at big stadiums Date March 15, 2014 - 11:14PM
Phil Gould League Columnist

The Brisbane Broncos attracted a crowd of more than 42,000 fans to their Friday night clash at Suncorp Stadium. Is it any wonder Sydney teams are finding themselves faced with the dilemma of leaving historical suburban home bases to play in the larger stadiums?

We get locked in a time warp from a period in our lives we cherish. In truth we look back on these memories with rose-coloured glasses rather than with any real clarity or honesty. I loved Kogarah Jubilee cheering my favourite team. I loved the Sunday trek to other suburban grounds: Brookvale, the old North Sydney Oval, Henson Park, Leichhardt, Redfern, Belmore, Lidcombe, Parramatta, Cronulla, Penrith, the old Sports Ground or the mighty SCG. Great days indeed. However, there is a commercial reality to the business of sport these days that cannot be ignored. If fans want their team to be competitive; actually, if fans want their club to SURVIVE, then they must understand the landscape has changed.

When I was growing up, the major rugby league competition was based exclusively in Sydney. It was district versus district: Manly, Norths, Easts, Souths, Wests, Newtown, Balmain, St George, Cronulla, Canterbury, Parramatta, Penrith. In 2014 these district clubs compete with much larger areas such as New Zealand, Melbourne, Brisbane and North Queensland. Rugby League these days also competes with other professional codes, which are well funded and well organised. So, when your club decides to move its home game from the suburbs to the big stadium, rather than sitting back and scoffing at all the empty blue seats you can see in the background of your television screen, why not look for ways we can fill those seats? Why wouldn’t we want Dragons and Tigers playing in front of 50,000 fans on a Sunday afternoon in Sydney? Instead of boycotting the event and watching on TV, ask yourselves WHY your club decided to move to a larger stadium? Did they do it just to annoy people? Or is there a financial reality to this move that will ultimately determine your club’s very existence.

Almost three years ago, it’s fair to say the Panthers’ existence was seriously threatened. Actually, we were headed over a waterfall. When the new board and management finally started to turn the big boat around and head for smoother waters, we began the process of determining what kind of club we wanted the Penrith Panthers to become into the future; to ensure it was never again in this precarious position. We visited a number of the major sporting clubs around the country. During this last off-season, our management team travelled overseas to USA, England and Dubai, studying major sporting franchises and venues. We now have a master plan for the next 15 years. Everything planned for Panthers is designed to be of major benefit to our growing regional city of Penrith: our hospitality club, community and sporting precinct at Mulgoa Road, Penrith; plus our junior league and professional football programs at Panthers. Despite travelling around the world in our search for answers, there was no greater inspiration to us than that of the Brisbane Broncos. When we visited the Broncos, chief executive Paul White and coach Anthony Griffin could not have been more accommodating. They showed us every facet of their business, their venue and game-day management, their game development programs for rugby league in south-east Queensland, and their highly professional player development programs specifically designed for the Broncos. I won’t go into the specifics of the information revealed, however I can give you a brief comparison between the Broncos and Panthers at that time. The Broncos were on target for 30,000 fully ticketed members, with expected growth to 35,000 over the next few seasons. The Panthers had fewer than 5000 ticketed members. The Broncos were generating more than three times the revenue of the Panthers. They were attracting three times the game-day attendance numbers. Their merchandise sales were off the scale compared to Panthers. At Panthers home games, our corporate entertainment area seated on average about 280 people to a great pre-match function. The Broncos would cater for more than 3000 people in similar function areas at each home game. The Broncos were budgeting for a significant profit. The Panthers' football program would lose more than $5 million that year. At the end of our visit I distinctly remember heading back the airport in the taxi with my head spinning. I was travelling with Panthers Group CEO Warren Wilson. I turned to him and said, “Can you believe we are in the same competition as those guys?” Warren simply shook his head and replied, “We have some work to do”. The thing that struck us though, was our potential and our responsibility to our area. The Penrith junior league stretches from Blacktown to Katoomba and from Hawkesbury to Wallacia. It’s the largest junior league nursery in the world. Why wouldn’t we want this vast rugby league heartland to be represented by a football club that was as big, as recognisable, as financial and as successful as the Brisbane Broncos? We wanted Panthers to be a source of inspiration and aspiration for the west. We wanted Panthers to be used as a platform for governments and corporates to engage with the people of the west and provide them with the support, the facilities, education and employment opportunities they deserve.

That’s our dream. We can deliver these outcomes for the community. However, we cannot hope to be the club we want to be, if we continue to draw only 10,000 fans to home games every week. The business of supporting community needs and rugby league is expensive, let alone trying to maintain a respectable profile in the NRL. Over the next five years we’re taking one home game each season to Bathurst. We believe we have a strong responsibility to nurture and develop the game of rugby league in neighbouring country areas.

We’ve also had discussions with five major cities around Australia and overseas, all of which can guarantee financial packages significantly greater than what we currently earn from home games at Penrith.

In recent times the Panthers have suffered the lowest home-game attendances in the NRL, lowest membership numbers in the NRL, lowest merchandise sales and lowest sponsorship yield. Compounding the lowest membership numbers, inexplicably an average of only 50 per cent of our members (season ticket holders) bothered to attend home games.

In the honesty stakes, we acknowledged, based on external research commissioned by the NRL, Penrith was also one of the poorest game-day experiences. Last weekend we introduced significant changes to our stadium, along with other game-day initiatives, all of which were previously unimaginable at Panthers. The most noteworthy was the transformation to stadium branding and signage. Corporate sponsorship is now at an all-time high. We achieved our best-ever result in merchandise sales, our membership numbers have soared in sharp contrast to declining numbers elsewhere, there are new food and beverage options, prices have been overhauled, Kidz Korner was an overwhelming success; even the revamped Panther cheer-girls were a hit with fans young and old.

We’re even trialling apps that will enable fans to order and pay for food and drink on mobiles and go to designated pick up areas to collect.

This isn’t an NRL initiative - it’s ours - and there is much more to come. Of course we had complaints. Some people dislike change. What we are most proud of, however, is the overwhelming response from fans has been very positive and upbeat. There are even those who may not be thrilled with some of our choices, but commented favourably that they respect our ambition. We all understand that all things will not please all people, but unless we can create a game-day experience that attracts new fans, we are resigned to having to move games to other venues. We don’t want to move our home games, but could be forced to travel afar unless there is a dramatic shift in the attendances at our current home. Ideally, we would love the west to have a new modern stadium, equipped with state-of–the-art facilities and quality corporate hospitality attractions. I’m sure the crowds would come and our business would be then strong enough to deliver on our other goals for the city of Penrith and the community. Until such times as that becomes a possibility, we have to get on with the reality of survival. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/why-nrl-clubs-need-to-play-at-big-stadiums-20140315-hvj4a.html#ixzz2w4X7do91

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Like Gould or loathe him (and I'll admit to being in the latter category most of the time) Penrith is on the right track here.

The local community must embrace and support the team as a regular part of their lives.

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I have heard Gus on penriths plans on radio recently….it all sounds very impressive and they are thinking big.
I believe they'll make a grand final in the next three years....I doubt we will.

On MMM yesterday crowds/venues was the topic and the commentator recalled an interview with Noyce, who stated the year before we went to telstra, a full house game at Cambo v the Dogs gave us $6000 profit....weigh that up against the $100k we we guaranteed at Telstra (now ANZ) rain hail or shine, 5000 fans or 25000

Our problem is satisfying two districts that are worlds apart, despite being only 40km apart
 
Agreed, Ink.

Getting widespread buy in is a difficult task for us.

A fresh approach- a Board with no agendas is required, with decisions/future focused on the greater good

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Would be nice if WT's could put the same emphasis on the South West as Gus has with Penrith. Will never happen though.
 
I hate the comparisons to the broncos since Friday night! Woopdy doo, a lot of people turned up. It was 2 Qld teams. Brisbane are a one town team with the most disloyal bandwagon jumping supporters going. If they had lost last weeks game and were getting flogged on Friday night I can guarantee they would've been walking out the gate at half time. When the NRL schedule the donkeys to play every Friday night and every second one at suncorp of course people will show up! All the businesses and sponsors in Brissy throw their money at them hence why they are successful in their business.
In relation to moving the suburban games: If clubs can't get the suburban grounds full how is a bigger stadium going to fill up. Wait until people are hanging off the fences to get it. Make it a day people can't miss at the home grounds.

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@Anonymous said:
I hate the comparisons to the broncos since Friday night! Woopdy doo, a lot of people turned up. It was 2 Qld teams. Brisbane are a one town team with the most disloyal bandwagon jumping supporters going. If they had lost last weeks game and were getting flogged on Friday night I can guarantee they would've been walking out the gate at half time. When the NRL schedule the donkeys to play every Friday night and every second one at suncorp of course people will show up! All the businesses and sponsors in Brissy throw their money at them hence why they are successful in their business.
In relation to moving the suburban games: If clubs can't get the suburban grounds full how is a bigger stadium going to fill up. Wait until people are hanging off the fences to get it. Make it a day people can't miss at the home grounds.

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You only read the first paragraph didn't you? Not enough pictures perhaps???

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@russelldp said:
@Anonymous said:
I hate the comparisons to the broncos since Friday night! Woopdy doo, a lot of people turned up. It was 2 Qld teams. Brisbane are a one town team with the most disloyal bandwagon jumping supporters going. If they had lost last weeks game and were getting flogged on Friday night I can guarantee they would've been walking out the gate at half time. When the NRL schedule the donkeys to play every Friday night and every second one at suncorp of course people will show up! All the businesses and sponsors in Brissy throw their money at them hence why they are successful in their business.
In relation to moving the suburban games: If clubs can't get the suburban grounds full how is a bigger stadium going to fill up. Wait until people are hanging off the fences to get it. Make it a day people can't miss at the home grounds.

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You only read the first paragraph didn't you? Not enough pictures perhaps???

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No, the whole lot actually. It's not the first time it's been mentioned about Friday nites attendance.

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@Guest said:
If clubs can't get the suburban grounds full how is a bigger stadium going to fill up. Wait until people are hanging off the fences to get it. Make it a day people can't miss at the home grounds.

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The dragons v tigers game of 20k was the largest crowd between those teams EVER according to the fox commentators. I assume they mean regular season but for 2 predicted cellar dwellers that is phenomenal and if you think Leichhardt will get that constantly you are deluded. Even if leichardt did get it the club wouldn't make half as much money as they would at anz.

You're stuck in the past mate and unfortunately suburban grounds will slowly die

Edit: sorry i meant to say SECOND largest crowd
 
Penrith is one team, one community, one history and a vision for the future. Unfortunately WT at the moment are one team albeit a disjointed one, two communities who rarely see things the same way, three histories and no vision because of an uncertain future.
I know this will be howled at but for WT to follow the Penrith model the slate has to be wiped clean. The club needs to move all operations to south west Sydney and engage that community. At the moment it is more a nomadic existence - 3 home grounds, a separate sub standard training facility and decisions being made by a third party ( NRL ).
 
I know this will be howled at but for WT to follow the Penrith model the slate has to be wiped clean. The club needs to move all operations to south west Sydney and engage that community.

No howling here Diedpretty. As Gus says, not everyone likes change but today's decisions must set the club up for the time in the future when our supporters have no memories of watching their team at Lidcombe or Leichhardt. As you say, it's 'clean slate' time.

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There are maybe three locations we could move to and have complete monopoly of NRL football in an area that has RL in their blood and a junior nursery in those areas. Central Coast, Central Queensland and the Western Corridor. Tbh I can't believe that someone hasn't jumped at the dangled carrot on Gosford yet. They have a dedicated stadium that's better than any of the suburban Sydney grounds.The nomadic sides always pull a crowd there. It's a huge area and growing, with built in rivalries and isn't far enough away to alienate from the traditional areas.

Not saying it's a good idea or the right idea, but I do feel if we're going to be moving anywhere it can't just be moving to somewhere we already ARE just to exclude the inner west nursery that has produced two consecutive U-18s national champion sides. That's just ludicrous Magpies posturing. If we move we should move somewhere where we can get away from the quagmire or we just make it work where we are.
 
@russelldp said:
I know this will be howled at but for WT to follow the Penrith model the slate has to be wiped clean. The club needs to move all operations to south west Sydney and engage that community.

No howling here Diedpretty. As Gus says, not everyone likes change but today's decisions must set the club up for the time in the future when our supporters have no memories of watching their team at Lidcombe or Leichhardt. As you say, it's 'clean slate' time.

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i agree that we need to further engage the SW of sydney but moving ourselves there and unreservedly declaring a bias to one side of the merger (which penrith is **not**) isn't the best move. Alienating half the fan base is unnecessary when we can simply engage one, or hell why not BOTH locations as much as possible. through game day experience, pregame events, meet the player days, school visits and so on.
 
@pHyR3 said:
@russelldp said:
I know this will be howled at but for WT to follow the Penrith model the slate has to be wiped clean. The club needs to move all operations to south west Sydney and engage that community.

No howling here Diedpretty. As Gus says, not everyone likes change but today's decisions must set the club up for the time in the future when our supporters have no memories of watching their team at Lidcombe or Leichhardt. As you say, it's 'clean slate' time.

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i agree that we need to further engage the SW of sydney but moving ourselves there and unreservedly declaring a bias to one side of the merger (which penrith is **not**) isn't the best move. Alienating half the fan base is unnecessary when we can simply engage one, or hell why not BOTH locations as much as possible. Whether that's through game day experience, pregame events, meet the player days, school visits and so on.

Accepted phyr3\. But one club premises and one ground if economically viable, with no pandering to the pre-merger supporters on colours, jumpers etc.

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It would suit us and the dogs,and probably WSW.. Not sure Penrith would go that far. For the gov to commit the funds they would need interest from 4-5 sporting bodies. Would be perfect for us.
 
People need to get over this relocation crap, it only every reared its ugly head via Elias. The grub had his fingers in the Rozelle debacle, then once it fell apart obviously put feelers out to WA to make sure he kept his scum fingers in the pie and hit the media up to try and float it. In essence its a proposal pushed by a nuffy that is continually regurgitated in the media by outlets not known for substance.

Apart from Backdoor Benny (think about that widely accepted nickname for a minute) and the rotten seed he planted, where else has the relocation rhetoric come from? Nowhere, its always WA.

If I remember correctly, part of the NRL deal regarding the mergers was that all merged clubs were impervious to relocation requests from the league. So unless you see Wests Group actively pursuing the move, drop the drivel, as its nothing talk.

Oh and Mac, a regrouped and cashed up Norths consortium floated a tender for a licence up the central coast yet were beaten by the Gold Coast. They havent gone away, and will be actively pursuing inclusion in the next expansion window.
 
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People need to get over this relocation crap, it only every reared its ugly head via Elias. The grub had his fingers in the Rozelle debacle, then once it fell apart obviously put feelers out to WA to make sure he kept his scum fingers in the pie and hit the media up to try and float it. In essence its a proposal pushed by a nuffy that is continually regurgitated in the media by outlets not known for substance.

Apart from Backdoor Benny (think about that widely accepted nickname for a minute) and the rotten seed he planted, where else has the relocation rhetoric come from? Nowhere, its always WA.

If I remember correctly, part of the NRL deal regarding the mergers was that all merged clubs were impervious to relocation requests from the league. So unless you see Wests Group actively pursuing the move, drop the drivel, as its nothing talk.

Oh and Mac, a regrouped and cashed up Norths consortium floated a tender for a licence up the central coast yet were beaten by the Gold Coast. They havent gone away, and will be actively pursuing inclusion in the next expansion window.

Exactly, and in regard to the relocation rumour that keeps appearing lately, there is no hard evidence that this is being considered, and no reliable sources whatsoever. And as others have said here before, the premise for WA being a perfect fit for a Wests Tigers relocation is because we have 'Wests' in our name, and WA is West.. I see the logic :unamused:
 
How about all the shenanigans with our 'until recently' former board member. We need to get back of house in order before we can expect anything on the pitch.

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