The Salary Cap

@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498667) said:
@snake said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498664) said:
You want a level playing field all clubs have the same TPA’s on top of the cap easy as ! The cap is not the issue the TPA’s are..

I don't know how you stop TPA rorting though.

There is no reason why any player can’t get external income .. good luck to them . But the NRL certainly could monitor the situation if they choose to .
TPA’s should never be a supplement to the salary cap and clubs should have absolutely nothing to do with what a player externally earns .. if the NRL wanted they could easily regulate it .
TPA’s and clubs are poison to the game and are making the competition totally unfair and bias towards the big end of town .
 
@snake said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498677) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498667) said:
@snake said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498664) said:
You want a level playing field all clubs have the same TPA’s on top of the cap easy as ! The cap is not the issue the TPA’s are..

I don't know how you stop TPA rorting though.

There is no reason why any player can’t get external income .. good luck to them . But the NRL certainly could monitor the situation if they choose to .
TPA’s should never be a supplement to the salary cap and clubs should have absolutely nothing to do with what a player externally earns .. if the NRL wanted they could easily regulate it .
TPA’s and clubs are poison to the game and are making the competition totally unfair and bias towards the big end of town .

:+1:
 
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.
 
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?
 
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.
 
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498732) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.

Do they get paid for their likeness being used in video games?
 
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498734) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498732) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.

Do they get paid for their likeness being used in video games?

Dont know. Would assume its a licensing thing
 
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498737) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498734) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498732) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.

Do they get paid for their likeness being used in video games?

Dont know. Would assume its a licensing thing

Yeah, so I think they give up some of the rights for their likeness in the CBA.
 
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498741) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498737) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498734) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498732) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.

Do they get paid for their likeness being used in video games?

Dont know. Would assume its a licensing thing

Yeah, so I think they give up some of the rights for their likeness in the CBA.

I obviously dont know anything about the players Contracts but I know that the players retain the rights to their likeness. It is possible under Contract law for more than one person to hold the Rights. This is purely a guess on my part but maybe NRL holds some rights to the likeness of players collectively but not individually. I can not imagine that the NRL could decide for an individual players likeness to be used under license by a third party (EA Sports or anyone for that matter) without their approval. Alternatively JAC, Munster and Finucane can sell their likeness to an undies company.
 
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498743) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498741) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498737) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498734) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498732) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.

Do they get paid for their likeness being used in video games?

Dont know. Would assume its a licensing thing

Yeah, so I think they give up some of the rights for their likeness in the CBA.

I obviously dont know anything about the players Contracts but I know that the players retain the rights to their likeness. It is possible under Contract law for more than one person to hold the Rights. This is purely a guess on my part but maybe NRL holds some rights to the likeness of players collectively but not individually. I can not imagine that the NRL could decide for an individual players likeness to be used under license by a third party (EA Sports or anyone for that matter) without their approval. Alternatively JAC, Munster and Finucane can sell their likeness to an undies company.

Yeah its an interesting conversation, I'm surprised we haven't had someone refuse to be in the video games at some point.
 
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498746) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498743) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498741) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498737) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498734) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498732) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.

Do they get paid for their likeness being used in video games?

Dont know. Would assume its a licensing thing

Yeah, so I think they give up some of the rights for their likeness in the CBA.

I obviously dont know anything about the players Contracts but I know that the players retain the rights to their likeness. It is possible under Contract law for more than one person to hold the Rights. This is purely a guess on my part but maybe NRL holds some rights to the likeness of players collectively but not individually. I can not imagine that the NRL could decide for an individual players likeness to be used under license by a third party (EA Sports or anyone for that matter) without their approval. Alternatively JAC, Munster and Finucane can sell their likeness to an undies company.

Yeah its an interesting conversation, I'm surprised we haven't had someone refuse to be in the video games at some point.

It wouldn’t matter if they did object they’d just change two letters in their name and their eye colour and all of a support Duke Hooks is the half back for the Wests Tigers.
 
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498746) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498743) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498741) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498737) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498734) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498732) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.

Do they get paid for their likeness being used in video games?

Dont know. Would assume its a licensing thing

Yeah, so I think they give up some of the rights for their likeness in the CBA.

I obviously dont know anything about the players Contracts but I know that the players retain the rights to their likeness. It is possible under Contract law for more than one person to hold the Rights. This is purely a guess on my part but maybe NRL holds some rights to the likeness of players collectively but not individually. I can not imagine that the NRL could decide for an individual players likeness to be used under license by a third party (EA Sports or anyone for that matter) without their approval. Alternatively JAC, Munster and Finucane can sell their likeness to an undies company.

Yeah its an interesting conversation, I'm surprised we haven't had someone refuse to be in the video games at some point.

The players union/association would usually sort out the licensing stuff. So if any players opt out of the union, then they won't appear in the games. Has happened a few times over the years in Madden games and the like.
 
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498732) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498730) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498701) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498668) said:
@cochise said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498660) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498659) said:
@tiger5150 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498647) said:
@twentyforty said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498607) said:
@supercoach said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1498441) said:
The salary cap in principle is great. Every year we see teams having to release players to be compliant, so that in itself is a good thing.

Sadly where it all goes pear shape is policing the rorts. It is basically impossible to police because players can be getting benefits that are impossible to track. There are a million ways to pay players that without a whistle blower will never get detected and my guess most clubs would be guilty…some more than others.

What’s the answer..who knows, but one thing for sure the current system needs a overhaul


There would be a few ways to find out if players receive additional income or assets but I doubt the NRL has the legal authority . Seems slightly incongruous that the NRL can distribute money to clubs but can’t ask for individual tax assessments?

PLayers arent contracted to the NRL, they are contracted to the Club would be part of it.

It is also kind of the whole point. If James Tedesco earns $1M playing footy for Roosters but also has a side gig mowing lawns then it is no one elses business what he makes from that. Mowing lawns is obviously a joke but if a person has the capacity, innovation and entrepreneurship to make something happen away from the club, they should be allowed to.

My reference for TPA's is always the original TPA which was Craig Wing. He was going to be forced to leave the Roosters because of his income from modelling and a fashion show on Foxtel which was all completely his own thing. If a player can earn a separate income they should be able to.

There is no reason to stop them earning an income from another source. There is a need to check for spurious sources of income though? To identify a correlation with their footy contract? Guess thats why TPAs need to be registered. TPJ claimed to have not received funds from an unregistered TPA.
If Tedesco stars in a fast food commercial, particularly running through the street carrying a steden then its also pretty difficult for him to deny NRL involvement.

He has a right to sell his image and profile to promote a product though.

He certainly has a right to earn what ever he can. Nobody is suggesting we break the law and introduce a restriction of trade. Its about recognising the value of connection with the NRL and respecting transparency.

James Tedesco doesnt have a Contract with the NRL.

You are probably right.
Does he need a contract to have a connection with the NRL? Isnt it enough that the NRL regulates the game he plays? Approves his contract with his club? The game which puts him in the spotlight and provides opportunity for increased income?

All that is true but the players retain the rights to their likeness.

Why?

As an IT contractor, any work I do is the property of the client. I don't retain the rights to my own work, why is it different for footballers?

Retaining the rights to their likeness is a slightly different question, but no one would know who Tedesco was if he wasn't a footballer. What's the issue in saying that any fame he has received is due to his football career and therefore any money he receives due to that fame can be governed over by the footballing body.
 
And the NRL could do much much more to police dodgy TPAs, but they choose not to.

1. The NRL could employ private detectives to dob in dodgy TPAs, detect benefits for family members, alert any incongruent purchases.

2. The media would jump at the chance to assist in uncovering dodgy deals, imagine all those parasites getting a green light to dig for dirt knowing they could submit it to the NRL and publish it in their own outlets.

3. Disgruntled players could be encouraged to anonymously blow the whistle, maybe they wouldn't on their current club, but they would be more likely to on an ex-club, especially if the separation wasn't amicable.

I'm sure there's heaps of others, but there's a start. The NRL just isn't interested though.
 
If the Rabbitohs are complaining about NRLs treatment of Latrell then they are ignoring the very strong relationship the NRL has with players. So strong is it that it has been the catalyst resulting in a player running down the street with a steden for reward.
It’s not much of a stretch, but involves players giving up some privacy, to have the NRL sign off on all TPAs and reconcile with individual tax assessments?
 
Would we be having this discussion if we were a regular top four team??

Extremely poor management has been the no1 reason we have had a decade in the doldrums and it is going to take extremely good management no matter what system is in place to claw our way back. Although we are making small steps in the right direction, I still have little faith in our management
 
Whats a salary cap when u can pay a player unlimited amount of money via a third party if u pretend to not know nothing about it.
 
@spartan117 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1505969) said:
Whats a salary cap when u can pay a player unlimited amount of money via a third party if u pretend to not know nothing about it.

What I don’t understand is why the NRL are only interested in the registered TPAs? It’s a “what we don’t know can’t hurt us” attitude which will inevitably bite us on the bum.
 
By my understanding, the salary cap was only meant to stop clubs overspending and going broke, like the Raiders nearly did in the 90s.

Does the salary cap actually level the playing field, considering the existence of TPAs?

And why do people think the NRL admin want the NRL to be even? They want it to succeed as a business, maximise their profits, as long as the public are relatively happy, what does the admin care if it's even or not?
 
@spartan117 said in [The Salary Cap](/post/1505969) said:
Whats a salary cap when u can pay a player unlimited amount of money via a third party if u pretend to not know nothing about it.

I would be interested to know why they can’t be administered by the NRL so that clubs can’t use them as a mechanism to lure a player under the cap.
 

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