The Storm Rorting Super Thread.....

@Marshall_magic said:
@innsaneink said:
@IronTiger said:
One question i've not seen and sorry if it's been asked but are the Storm players still eligable for Dally M points?. I'd imagine they got 3-2-1 last night.

Apparently they are…yet another joke

Why is it a joke. I thought the Dally M always favoured the one man bands, because they scored all the points. Dally M goes to the best player, whether their team comes first, fifth, eighth, twelfth or sixteenth.

When you play with good players, your own game improves.
Teams assembled illegally, they have more good players than they should, therefore they win more games, and thus get more players earning these points in an unfair manner
 
Reading the papers this morning and again hearing how the Storm players all want to stick together and continue playing with each other because 'they are more than colleagues, they are great mates', well hello, doesn't that happen in most teams where you get to win a comp. Didn't our guys say they were like brothers and were going to be mates forever after 2005\. Don't the storm players think that other teams would like to stick together, especially after the euophoria of a grand final win?

Or do they think they are better than the other teams in that regard as well? What makes them so special that they think they can go on playing together? Our team certainly had to have a shakeup after they won the grand final. Thats the downside of success with a salary cap. Just another example of where the Storm think they should be treated differently to all the other teams.
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo…-1225860785615
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NRL investigation uncovers further $150,000 in Melbourne Storm salary cap rorts
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* Exclusive by Phil Rothfield
* From: The Daily Telegraph
* May 01, 2010 12:00AM
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THE NRL was rocked last night by stunning revelations that disgraced premiers Melbourne Storm had broken the salary cap by 20 per cent more than cheating officials originally confessed to.
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NRL salary cap auditor Ian Schubert and a team of forensic accountants have uncovered more evidence of rorting and fraud, which lifts this year's player salaries to $4.95 million. There are now genuine fears the payments for 2010 will burst over the $5 million mark by the time investigations are completed.
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Original estimates, which came from the confessions of sacked CEO Matt Hanson last Thursday week, indicated the club was $700,000 over the cap this year, having spent $4.8 million.
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"Yes, I can confirm it's now up to $850,000 for this year alone," said NRL boss David Gallop when confronted by The Daily Telegraph. "More information has come to light over the past seven days and the investigation has another couple of weeks to run. It's going to take some time to finalise the figures."
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Gallop says the fact that the amount of the rorting continues to rise justifies the NRL's heavy punishment in not allowing the Storm to compete for premiership points this season.
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"This highlights the flaws in what some people were suggesting that the club simply sheds a few players, goes back to zero and starts again," Gallop said. "At first it was $700,000 worth of players, now it's $850,000\. At this stage we don't know what they've got to do to get back under the cap. That's why I stand by our original decision."
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To counter Gallop's argument, fans from other clubs will be even angrier knowing their teams are only spending $4.1 million but could miss out on a finals berth by losing to the Storm, who have spent $850,000 more on players.
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Salary cap auditor Ian Schubert has yet to reveal how he uncovered the extra $150,000 of illegal payments during the week.
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Stand-in chief executive Frank Stanton worked alongside Schubert and the accountants, checking all the books and computer records at Storm headquarters.
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Still, the players remain hopeful the team will stick together as they prepare for tonight's game against the Cowboys in Townsville.
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**"I think it's going to take a little bit more than this to ruin what the Melbourne Storm have done down there over 12 years,"** champion fullback Billy Slater said.

Sorry to interrupt Billy here....

A little bit more?
Well Billy, last week it was 700k...now its 850k you been cheating by....when it gets to 1m will that be enough?

"We've just got to stick together. There's not much else for us to do other than play football. We'd love to hold this group together, we're not just colleagues, we're great mates.
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"We've played a lot of football together.
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"I've played with some of these guys for 10 years now, but the future is unknown."
 
HaHaHa….Wow Innk you have changed your tune on the stinking class act Storm...

Wonder if they fielded an illegal team when they so ruthlessly won the WCC....
 
You asked

Re: Melbourne win World Club Challenge
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Postby innsaneink » March 1st, 2010, 7:21 pm
Yet another trophy for the storm, as much as we love to hate em, theyre a class act
Looked a great game - saw most of the 1st half this morning before work…very tough, physical game

Are they still a class Act....or Cheats....
 
The juggernaut rolls on for the time being with the storm flogging the cowboys tonight.

P.s. Geo he was talking about them on the footy field - where they were a class act….of course they are cheats but at the time of that post no-one knew and I agreed.
 
I had an inkling….Would they be class act on the field if they wernt cheating for 5 years...

just about every team that's won the comp in the 2000's has slumped in the following years,,,except the Storm...Surprising or just good management????
 
@Geo. said:
I had an inkling….Would they be class act on the field if they wernt cheating for 5 years...

just about every team that's won the comp in the 2000's has slumped in the following years,,,except the Storm...Surprising or just good management????

Talking about class acts:

Agent gave revelations of Storm's salary rorts
BRAD WALTER
May 1, 2010
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The catalyst for the Storm salary cap revelations was a player agent, writes Brad Walter.
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A player agent was among the informants who helped the NRL uncover $1.7 million of salary cap breaches by the Melbourne Storm over the past five years. NRL chief executive David Gallop confirmed in a wide-ranging interview with the Herald that a number of whistleblowers, including a player agent, provided information to salary cap auditor Ian Schubert during his six-month investigation into the Storm.
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Gallop, who admitted the fallout from one of ''more difficult'' issues he has had to confront would cause a few ''speed bumps'' for the formation of an independent commission, also revealed the inquiry was sparked by Melbourne captain Cameron Smith's $100,000 per year third-party deal with Fox Sports.
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At least 11 Storm stars have been implicated in the scandal after Schubert discovered contract offers made to players for amounts greater than they allegedly signed for just days later.
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The letters of offer to the 11 players were kept in a cupboard under a female employee's desk and some dated back to 2006, the season the Storm featured in the first of four consecutive grand finals.
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''He had a whistleblower … and that fitted in with what an informant had told him,'' Gallop said. ''The informant had told him there were two sets of contracts. There were a couple of people Schuey was talking to who could loosely be called informants, including player agents.''
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Also contained in a letter sent to the Storm were questions about $200,000 in underwritten benefits to players in the form of third-party deals and ambassador's agreements. The letter was sent the day before the club was stripped of two premierships, three minor premierships, fined $500,000, ordered to repay $1.1 million in prizemoney and prohibited from earning competition points this season.
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Among those was Smith's deal with Fox Sports, for which he is paid $50,000 and can earn a further $50,000 per year for appearances as a commentator or panelist on the pay-tv broadcaster's programs.
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Schubert had no issues about whether Smith, who also has a weekly segment on Sky Sport Radio's Big Sports Breakfast program, does the work for which he gets paid by Fox Sports or the deal being conditional on him signing with the Storm.
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**But Smith obtained a guarantee from the Storm that the club would compensate him if for some reason, such as training commitments or an inability to regularly travel from Melbourne to Sydney for appearances, he was to lose the job.\
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''Unfortunately for Cameron, a lot of this story starts and finishes with him,'' Gallop said. ''It was that deal that Ian Schubert took a view of, as a starting point of some suspicion.''\
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After repeated denials and objections to Schubert's ruling in late March that Smith's deal would be included in the Storm's 2009 salary cap for $50,000, Melbourne chief executive Matt Hanson last Friday night finally handed over a heads of agreement that confirmed the arrangement between the club and the Test hooker.\
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''Personally when I saw that on the Friday it was still hard to believe that after all of the months of them objecting to Schuey's view of that deal, his position on it was absolutely spot-on - and there it was in black and white that he would be paid $100,000 by Fox Sports but that would be underwritten by the Melbourne Storm should circumstances change,'' Gallop said.**
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''I guess it didn't shock me but it made me realise that Schuey had been right all along. They had certainly protested vigorously about his view of that deal. But that's a vice in these third-party deals. If a player receives an offer from a club that contains an underwrite for a third-party deal then that is tantamount to a guarantee of salary.''
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Hanson had even phoned News Ltd chief operating officer Peter Macourt, one of the media company's three appointees on the NRL partnership committee, who in turn phoned Gallop.
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Gallop said Macourt simply wanted to understand the reasons for the NRL's ruling on Smith's deal.
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''It became public and ended up in the newspaper [The Sun-Herald], and Peter Macourt was contacted by Hanson. He rang me and said he wanted to understand that deal. He wanted to understand why this deal was in the newspaper. We told him we were looking into other things with the Storm and he said 'you guys do what you've got to do'.''
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Macourt used similar words when Gallop phoned to advise him of the penalties imposed on the News Ltd club.
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''That was difficult,'' he admitted. ''But I knew that was the attitude of you guys do what you've got to do was a true attitude and the last thing they would want to do is stand in the way of that.''
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The need for an independent commission to run the game has never been highlighted better than by News Ltd's potential conflicts of interest in the Storm case, which caused Gallop to decide not to call on the NRL board to consider the Storm's punishment because three of the six directors are News appointees.
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But he conceded the Storm's woes may slow the momentum to establish the new body, as News Ltd is now committed to retaining ownership of the club to ensure its survival.
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''To be fair to the people in those positions, like Peter Macourt, he is acutely aware of the potential for conflict and the perceptions,'' Gallop said. ''It is no doubt one of the reasons News Ltd are interested in getting out of rugby league. They are tired of that perception, I have go no doubt about that.
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''[But] to the extent that Melbourne is one of the issues that is being discussed [in negotiations for News Ltd to exit the game], and I am not directly part of those conversations, you would certainly expect this to put a couple of speed bumps in tidying up the Melbourne issue.''
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Fears about the impact the decision would have on the Storm, a team of strategic importance because of the value a Melbourne side adds to the NRL's television deal, were not a consideration, Gallop said. ''I guess we thought this would be a massive blow to them but we can't let that get in the way of the decision,'' he said. 'They left us with little alternative. It's obviously very distressing when the top team were held together, including their top players, at amounts drastically greater than what had been declared to us. If you can retain your stars you can build a team because other players see that is a way to a premiership ring. If it wasn't the team that won the premiership you at least wouldn't be taking the premiership away. I am absolutely comfortable it was the only decision.''
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''One of the things that became very clear at the meeting was the way they had got themselves in so much trouble was the snowballing of their legal and illegal payments through back-ending of contracts.
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''One of the things we knew was going to be a problem was how we were ever going to get them back down [under the $4.1m cap] for 2011 and that is still a problem. Once you get $200,000 or $300,000 ahead of everyone else, the comp is that tight that that is going to make a big difference to your playing talent. The results speak for themselves.''

Does "the Australian captain" deserve to be "respected" now? As that is what 'experts' tend to say when they talk about Smith.
Based on that, should he be available for rep season? Imo I dont think he should.
 
Copied directly from a poster over at LU

Steve Mascourd just reported on FOX,that the full extent of the breach is unknown,but it has now hit 1.3 million for season 2010,and that justifies the NRL's hard line stance on no points this year.
 
My god it just keeps getting worse and worse for the melbourne rorters. i am sure there are probably other clubs over the cap but no to this extent. i think melb beleive thay are untouchable but guess what boys you are.
 
but of course the players knew absolutely nothing about it!! 2 contracts thats fine isn't it?? 😕

Cam Smith is on NRL on Fox tonight, i wonder if they will ask him any cap questions… :laughing:
 
I had to laugh at Cronks statement about Cameron. Something along the lines of "anyone who questions Smiths integrity in rugby league doesn't know what they are talking about".

I tried to find the actual quote but had no luck. I only caught the end of the segment and that was the only part I heard. Gee it gave me a giggle.
 
Simple fact is no club is allowed to underwrite a 3rd party deal. The Storm did this for his Fox deal. He signed knowing this. Therefor in my eyes he is at least complicent in fraud.

Integrity indeed
 
@smeghead said:
Simple fact is no club is allowed to underwrite a 3rd party deal. The Storm did this for his Fox deal. He signed knowing this. Therefor in my eyes he is at least complicent in fraud.

Integrity indeed

I think they are allowed to underwrite the 3rd party deal but it just means it is part of the salary cap.
 
@smeghead said:
Copied directly from a poster over at LU

Steve Mascourd just reported on FOX,that the full extent of the breach is unknown,but it has now hit 1.3 million for season 2010,and that justifies the NRL's hard line stance on no points this year.

Man that is getting massive now….that 1.3 would most probably pay for Ingliss, Slater and Cronk for the year.

If you evened out that pay over the 25 man roster it equals just over $50K per player over the cap....makes you wonder how they ever managed to lose....Especially 40 - blot in the 08 decider.

If they keep digging they will find even more no doubt. Whats the bet that by the end of this they get over 2 mill ?
 
@stryker said:
@smeghead said:
Copied directly from a poster over at LU

Steve Mascourd just reported on FOX,that the full extent of the breach is unknown,but it has now hit 1.3 million for season 2010,and that justifies the NRL's hard line stance on no points this year.

Man that is getting massive now….that 1.3 would most probably pay for Ingliss, Slater and Cronk for the year.

If you evened out that pay over the 25 man roster it equals just over $50K per player over the cap....makes you wonder how they ever managed to lose....Especially 40 - blot in the 08 decider.

If they keep digging they will find even more no doubt. Whats the bet that by the end of this they get over 2 mill ?

No …Cammy Smith......does make you think...4 Grand Finals in a row only winning 2....C'mon Bellamy lift your game ....just throw another extra 2 mill into the boys club...

You know for the NRL to remain National ....Melbourne is good for the game,,,,, :unamused:
 
@stryker said:
@smeghead said:
Copied directly from a poster over at LU

Steve Mascourd just reported on FOX,that the full extent of the breach is unknown,but it has now hit 1.3 million for season 2010,and that justifies the NRL's hard line stance on no points this year.

Man that is getting massive now….that 1.3 would most probably pay for Ingliss, Slater and Cronk for the year.

If you evened out that pay over the 25 man roster it equals just over $50K per player over the cap....makes you wonder how they ever managed to lose....Especially 40 - blot in the 08 decider.

If they keep digging they will find even more no doubt. Whats the bet that by the end of this they get over 2 mill ?

Jesus, I reckon if the NRL backflips and lets them remove the amount of players in the cash above the salary cap to play for points, Inglis, Slater, Cronk and Smith would be the only ones taking the field…

I can pretty much bet lefty the Rorters are doing it too, but while Schubert and Politis are involved with the game they will never get busted. They're a protected species until the Independent Commission comes in.
 
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