The thing thats now nothing, neither male or female

@tig_prmz said:
@wtigers said:
@tig_prmz said:
Lol I can see a male competing in a female competition soon…

I don't like this. I don't mind change but there has to be a certain rate of change that everyone can adapt to. Evolution didn't happen in days- it took millions of years to form a perfect human. Human mentalities are the same- you can't thrust so much change in such a short span of time.

Unfortunately, I don't endorse or believe in same gender marriage however tomorrow if my kid was to get married I would have to support him/her.
Just like my parents don't believe in marriage outside the same religion- it takes time to change mentalities.

However, this is an attention seeking stunt- you can possibly compare this to homosexuals/ racism.

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So,
What you're basically saying is that the world can only move forward at a rate agreeable to by you. Which makes absolutely no sense in any context

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I didn't say that.

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"I don't mind change but there has to be a certain rate of change that everyone can adapt to." aka if people want to be change they must fit an unspecified rate of change that I'm not gonna mention.
a little bit what you said
 
@wtigers said:
@Black'n'White said:
what the hell Tig_prmz! surely if someone chooses to hack off their junk, the rest of the world should jump to accomodate them, any other sentiment is rediculous… In any other walk of life, the desire to remove an otherwise healthy body part is considered a mental disease also known as apotemnophilia. This muppet has taken advantage of the weak system to hero his cause of making his disorder a normality.

h

A) that's not how gender works you are proving you know nothing
B) seriously you're equating gender with genitals. Genitals are associated with sex, a completely different concept to gender.
C) there's no disorder involved with being intersex or non binary.

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ok, firstly we are talking about someone who has fought to be gender non-specific and won. Further, if the appendage was working, and not replaced with the opposite functioning genitalia, then by definition it isnt a gender issue, something I definitely never put forward in my post, re-read it for yourself…

So lets move onto the classification of such a decision to consentually have a body part removed, not due to a medical condition, not to be replaced prosthetically, nor altered and reconstructed via surgery, but to be removed to feel whole, to appease them personally and validate their own mental state... I presented the conscise psychiatric terminology, correct entirely by definition, yet you choose to refute the facts by what? Entirely avioding the premise of my post only to dribble PC rhetoric that is in no way valid?

Finally, I would like to say I am somehow intrigued by your input and efforts to further my education of gay/bi/transgender issues, and have corrected my thought process in some way, but I cannot. Not only have you wasted my time, but your own. You owe me bandwidth. You owe it to yourself to learn some basic comprehension skills.

thanks for coming... not really.
 
@wtigers said:
B) seriously you're equating gender with genitals. Genitals are associated with sex, a completely different concept to gender.

if gender is not associated with sex then why does every form in the world ever ask you what SEX you are? male of female?

and i thought that eunuchs were castrated?

i believe that anyone in this world is allowed to live their life as they choose, so long as they are not harming anyone else.

in saying this, legally being able to have no gender associated with you has far reaching implications and i think a can of worms has been opened.

he/she/other can do whatever with their life, but until we are all cyborgs/asexual robots i think this is pretty ridiculous.

although, i have to say that if i had the same option and were able to choose what SEX i was classified as, prison doesnt sound anywhere near as bad an option…provided i can keep my body intact as it is!
 
@Black'n'White said:
@wtigers said:
@Black'n'White said:
what the hell Tig_prmz! surely if someone chooses to hack off their junk, the rest of the world should jump to accomodate them, any other sentiment is rediculous… In any other walk of life, the desire to remove an otherwise healthy body part is considered a mental disease also known as apotemnophilia. This muppet has taken advantage of the weak system to hero his cause of making his disorder a normality.

h

A) that's not how gender works you are proving you know nothing
B) seriously you're equating gender with genitals. Genitals are associated with sex, a completely different concept to gender.
C) there's no disorder involved with being intersex or non binary.

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ok, firstly we are talking about someone who has fought to be gender non-specific and won. Further, if the appendage was working, and not replaced with the opposite functioning genitalia, then by definition it isnt a gender issue, something I definitely never put forward in my post, re-read it for yourself…

So lets move onto the classification of such a decision to consentually have a body part removed, not due to a medical condition, not to be replaced prosthetically, nor altered and reconstructed via surgery, but to be removed to feel whole, to appease them personally and validate their own mental state... I presented the conscise psychiatric terminology, correct entirely by definition, yet you choose to refute the facts by what? Entirely avioding the premise of my post only to dribble PC rhetoric that is in no way valid?

Finally, I would like to say I am somehow intrigued by your input and efforts to further my education of gay/bi/transgender issues, and have corrected my thought process in some way, but I cannot. Not only have you wasted my time, but your own. You owe me bandwidth. You owe it to yourself to learn some basic comprehension skills.

thanks for coming... not really.

So, you seem to think that I'm mostly just ignoring what you've said and I've been making up dribble based on nothing. When you say "by definition it isn't a gender issue, something I never put forward in my post", you're denying that in this, a thread in which the main discussion is surrounding gender identity rights outside the binary, you talking about someone "hackin off their junk" is not equating gender to genitals?
The premise of your post was to sarcastically make jabs at non-binary individuals. you've been doing it all thread. Do you really expect me to take your opinions or understanding seriously when you joke about calling someone 'edible seaweed paper' instead of their preferred pronouns. You also deliberately misgender someone in your one post, and then turn around and call that sentence the point of your argument.
Please, inform me, where did I ignore the premise of your post? Did I even say I was addressing every ignorant atrocity you've said in this thread tonight? No, I simply pointed out that you can't equate people who do not fit in the gender binary with a disorder. Because its not one.
I've only wasted your time because you're deliberately ignorant. You obviously don't care. You don't care about these people enough to bother giving them their names, so you just call them seaweed. Its through no fault of my own that your bandwidth has been wasted. All that comes down to you. And your inability to try and care about a group of people who are only now being recognised.
Congratulations, you're a disgrace.

Oh, and good work pulling out the anti-pc nonsense. I hope you realise that being called politically correct is not even close to an insult. It literally means that I'm trying to be inclusive to those who are systematically oppressed. So gd 1 there buddy
 
WT,

You are very weird cattle very weird cattle indeed. Are you a member of the Australian Greens by any chance? :crazy
 
I lived two doors down from Norrie many moons ago and may I say what a lovely human being resided there….always very friendly,gentle and sweet.

I think its wonderful in this age that we can recongise that peeps are different and its all good.
 
I bet they don't debate gender neutral folk on the souffs forum..wests tigers fans are a little more progressive.

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I bet they don't debate gender neutral folk on the souffs forum..wests tigers fans are a little more progressive.

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I bet they don't debate gender neutral folk on the souffs forum..wests tigers fans are a little more progressive.

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@wtigers said:
@tig_prmz said:
@wtigers said:
@tig_prmz said:
Lol I can see a male competing in a female competition soon…

I don't like this. I don't mind change but there has to be a certain rate of change that everyone can adapt to. Evolution didn't happen in days- it took millions of years to form a perfect human. Human mentalities are the same- you can't thrust so much change in such a short span of time.

Unfortunately, I don't endorse or believe in same gender marriage however tomorrow if my kid was to get married I would have to support him/her.
Just like my parents don't believe in marriage outside the same religion- it takes time to change mentalities.

However, this is an attention seeking stunt- you can possibly compare this to homosexuals/ racism.

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So,
What you're basically saying is that the world can only move forward at a rate agreeable to by you. Which makes absolutely no sense in any context

_Posted using RoarFEED V.4_

I didn't say that.

_Posted using RoarFEED V.4_

"I don't mind change but there has to be a certain rate of change that everyone can adapt to." aka if people want to be change they must fit an unspecified rate of change that I'm not gonna mention.
a little bit what you said

Compare the world to what it was 30
Years ago when racism and discarding homosexuals was well accepted. Over half the population from that generation is still living.

However, this is a completely non relevant issue. Both my parents and all my ancestors are Indian but I have decided to colour my hair blonde so now I don't wish to be identified Indian.

It doesn't make sense. You are who you are- you saying I wish to be identified as someone or something else is just an attention seeking stunt.

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@wtigers said:
@tig_prmz said:
@wtigers said:
@tig_prmz said:
Lol I can see a male competing in a female competition soon…

I don't like this. I don't mind change but there has to be a certain rate of change that everyone can adapt to. Evolution didn't happen in days- it took millions of years to form a perfect human. Human mentalities are the same- you can't thrust so much change in such a short span of time.

Unfortunately, I don't endorse or believe in same gender marriage however tomorrow if my kid was to get married I would have to support him/her.
Just like my parents don't believe in marriage outside the same religion- it takes time to change mentalities.

However, this is an attention seeking stunt- you can possibly compare this to homosexuals/ racism.

_Posted using RoarFEED V.4_

So,
What you're basically saying is that the world can only move forward at a rate agreeable to by you. Which makes absolutely no sense in any context

_Posted using RoarFEED V.4_

I didn't say that.

_Posted using RoarFEED V.4_

"I don't mind change but there has to be a certain rate of change that everyone can adapt to." aka if people want to be change they must fit an unspecified rate of change that I'm not gonna mention.
a little bit what you said

Compare the world to what it was 30
Years ago when racism and discarding homosexuals was well accepted. Over half the population from that generation is still living.

However, this is a completely non relevant issue. Both my parents and all my ancestors are Indian but I have decided to colour my hair blonde so now I don't wish to be identified Indian.

It doesn't make sense. You are who you are- you saying I wish to be identified as someone or something else is just an attention seeking stunt.

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there was a dragon player that i couldn't crop out so i scribbled over his face… im not the best at photoshop- paint ftw
 
I don't ascribe to everything wtigers says, but surely there is bigger and more pressing issues in the world that are more important than someone who wants to be recognised as being genderless? We have 200 odd people on a plane that has been missing for weeks, unrest in the Crimean peninsula, people being shot in Western Sydney and continuing violence in the middle east. Is this really what we find to be a pressing issue?

I'm not taking shots at anyone in particular, just saying can't we have a bit of perspective in the world. It seems so much rubbish that plays out due to intolerance, how about we go the other way for a change and just accept someone for who they feel they are? This decision doesn't really infringe on our personal rights so why get so upset?
 

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