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Tigers players drinking Water for rehydration purposes.
Pathetic article.
Tigers players drinking Water for rehydration purposes.
Pathetic article.
Tigers Secret Weapon
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@Scotto said:
There's your problem. Magnay is a pathetic excuse for a Rugby League journalists and just wants to play amongst the big boy journos but suffers from her lack of knowledgeable critique.
The technique the Tigers are using deprives the body of oxygen so they learn to use it better. WADA classifies oxygen therapy illegal only if you INCREASE the oxygen, not decrease it. Basically what the Tigers are doing is a smaller form of a hyperbaric chamber.
**Tigers' hypo-oxygenation 'not harmful'
AAP Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:11:17**
Australia's peak body for sports doctors and related professionals says it sees no harm in the practise of "hypo-oxygenation", with NRL players taking to the training track in breathing apparatus.
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Sports Medicine Australia (SMA) spokesman Dr Peter Nathan says the technique allowed athletes - in this case Wests Tigers players - to gain the benefits of a high-altitude training session without going to the mountains.
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The body's cardiovascular system adapts to make more efficient use of oxygen in response to a supply of thinner air, and Dr Nathan says this was known to give athletes a "boost".
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"What it will do, if done correctly, is to stimulate the production of more red blood cells, so that your oxygen-carrying capacity goes up," says Perth-based Dr Nathan.
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"(The body) normalises with less oxygen in the air and … once you go down out of altitude, or suck in normal air again, you get a boost."
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Three players - Keith Galloway, skipper Robbie Farah and veteran prop John Skandalis were photographed using breathing aids at training on Tuesday.
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Dr Nathan, who is a match day doctor in rugby union's Super 14 competition, says while the technique did not promote muscle healing it could benefit players who were recovering from injury.
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They could use it to undertake a low intensity workout that would be "pushing their heart and lungs without pushing their legs", he says.
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Dr Nathan says at least one AFL club had also used the technique, and there are questions over its role in sport.
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The practice is reportedly viewed as ethically wrong by the World Anti-Doping Agency which has it under review and could ban it next year.
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Under the world anti-doping code, "the method of artificially enhancing the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen is banned."
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An NRL spokesman told Fairfax the technique involved diluting the amount of oxygen, which he believed was not covered by the rules.
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He said world anti-doping rules applied to increasing oxygen, not decreasing it, although he indicated there could be changes next year.
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Dr Nathan says SMA, the peak body taking in sports doctors but also physiotherapists and other related professionals, was keeping an open mind for now.
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"Sports Medicine Australia is very much concerned about these kinds of training techniques and if we feel they are injurious to athletes' health, or dangerous, then we are against them," Dr Nathan says.
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"This doesn't look like it is damaging the athlete's health, and it is not currently illegal, so we don't have a strong view about it.
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"But we reserve our opinion because ASADA (Australian Sports Anti Doping Agency) has said it is not too keen on it."
http://www.nrl.com/newsviews/latestnews/newsarticle/tabid/10874/newsid/56331/tigers-hypo-oxygenation-not-harmful/default.aspx
Suck on that, Magnay.
AAP Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:11:17**
Australia's peak body for sports doctors and related professionals says it sees no harm in the practise of "hypo-oxygenation", with NRL players taking to the training track in breathing apparatus.
>
Sports Medicine Australia (SMA) spokesman Dr Peter Nathan says the technique allowed athletes - in this case Wests Tigers players - to gain the benefits of a high-altitude training session without going to the mountains.
>
The body's cardiovascular system adapts to make more efficient use of oxygen in response to a supply of thinner air, and Dr Nathan says this was known to give athletes a "boost".
>
"What it will do, if done correctly, is to stimulate the production of more red blood cells, so that your oxygen-carrying capacity goes up," says Perth-based Dr Nathan.
>
"(The body) normalises with less oxygen in the air and … once you go down out of altitude, or suck in normal air again, you get a boost."
>
Three players - Keith Galloway, skipper Robbie Farah and veteran prop John Skandalis were photographed using breathing aids at training on Tuesday.
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Dr Nathan, who is a match day doctor in rugby union's Super 14 competition, says while the technique did not promote muscle healing it could benefit players who were recovering from injury.
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They could use it to undertake a low intensity workout that would be "pushing their heart and lungs without pushing their legs", he says.
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Dr Nathan says at least one AFL club had also used the technique, and there are questions over its role in sport.
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The practice is reportedly viewed as ethically wrong by the World Anti-Doping Agency which has it under review and could ban it next year.
>
Under the world anti-doping code, "the method of artificially enhancing the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen is banned."
>
An NRL spokesman told Fairfax the technique involved diluting the amount of oxygen, which he believed was not covered by the rules.
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He said world anti-doping rules applied to increasing oxygen, not decreasing it, although he indicated there could be changes next year.
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Dr Nathan says SMA, the peak body taking in sports doctors but also physiotherapists and other related professionals, was keeping an open mind for now.
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"Sports Medicine Australia is very much concerned about these kinds of training techniques and if we feel they are injurious to athletes' health, or dangerous, then we are against them," Dr Nathan says.
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"This doesn't look like it is damaging the athlete's health, and it is not currently illegal, so we don't have a strong view about it.
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"But we reserve our opinion because ASADA (Australian Sports Anti Doping Agency) has said it is not too keen on it."
http://www.nrl.com/newsviews/latestnews/newsarticle/tabid/10874/newsid/56331/tigers-hypo-oxygenation-not-harmful/default.aspx
Suck on that, Magnay.
the only reason she makes her unwanted guest appearance on the panel at times is to give the audience, esp female viewers, the impression that females are part of the sport. well derr, of course they are; and an important part of footy. the media makes footballers out to be animals who disrespect females so the footy show has to put her head on TV to make up for it.
i hope she keeps well away from the tigers coz her reporting is shocking. she has no idea. nothing bout her being female either, there are more male sports jurnos who are twice as bad.
i hope she keeps well away from the tigers coz her reporting is shocking. she has no idea. nothing bout her being female either, there are more male sports jurnos who are twice as bad.
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Hehehe. Good one, Tigermac!! :laughing:
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Tigers are no oxygen cheats
By Andrew Webster and Steve Gee From: The Daily Telegraph August 20, 2009 2:35PM
AUSTRALIA's leading sports doping official has slammed reports the Wests Tigers and Manly Sea Eagles are secretly increasing their oxygen intake.
The Tigers raised eyebrows during a training session on Tuesday when captain Robbie Farah and injured forwards John Skandalis and Keith Galloway were photographed wearing bizarre oxygen masks attached to small tanks.
Manly were also linked to the same type of oxygen training, although coach Des Hasler refused to comment on the issue yesterday.
Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority chief Richard Ings told The Daily Telegraph last night that he did not believe the Tigers or Sea Eagles were breaching any part of the world anti-doping code.
Under Section M1, athletes are prevented from using methods that significantly increase the uptake and carrying of oxygen.
"For example, the re-injection of an athlete's own blood," Ings said.
"ASADA is not aware of a single case being brought against an athlete for a violation of anti-doping rules for the using an oxygen mask."
The NRL is satisfied the technique being used by the Tigers is a form of hypo-oxygenation training, which dilutes the amount of oxygen and mimics altitude training.
WADA is currently reviewing the use of hyper-oxygenation, which is a direct intake of oxygen. "The advice from ASADA is they are looking at the use of canned oxygen where it is used to increase oxygen levels," NRL spokesman John Brady said.
"They may or may not change their stance on this issue.
"There is no indication from WADA or anywhere else that they are looking to prevent methods, which are really the equivalent of altitude training.
"We have been assured by both ASAda there is no question of the policy being breached by Wests Tigers or any other club. Nor is there any question that being unethical."
Meanwhile, nonplussed Parramatta players yesterday laughed off their rivals' use of the controversial hypoxygenation technology.
In-form centre Joel Reddy said that while Parramatta utilised GPS monitoring, like all NRL sides, he doubted the long-term benefits of oxygen masks.
"We just use the GPS and a whole lot of that Painaway stuff, but as far as the oxygen masks go, we haven't got to that yet," Reddy said.
"It might mentally give them a bit of an edge, but if that's what they want to do to get right, good luck to them. As long as it's legal there's nothing wrong with anything that they're doing, I suppose."
NRL physician Dr Paul Muratore said benefit was only gained from sustained use over several weeks and was sceptical about the benefits it would provide footballers.
"Everyone is looking for an edge and this seems to be an edge," he said. "But how much of an edge, I don't really know. Rugby league is only 80 minutes and is really not that high endurance.
"I can understand a marathon runner or a cyclist but I'm not so sure with rugby league."
Reddy said while he was open to new technology and altitude training, he doubts the overall benefits.
"I just think in a team sport its a bit hard to worry about that,"' he said. "It's more just training as a unit that's going to help not the individual little things in the long run."
By Andrew Webster and Steve Gee From: The Daily Telegraph August 20, 2009 2:35PM
AUSTRALIA's leading sports doping official has slammed reports the Wests Tigers and Manly Sea Eagles are secretly increasing their oxygen intake.
The Tigers raised eyebrows during a training session on Tuesday when captain Robbie Farah and injured forwards John Skandalis and Keith Galloway were photographed wearing bizarre oxygen masks attached to small tanks.
Manly were also linked to the same type of oxygen training, although coach Des Hasler refused to comment on the issue yesterday.
Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority chief Richard Ings told The Daily Telegraph last night that he did not believe the Tigers or Sea Eagles were breaching any part of the world anti-doping code.
Under Section M1, athletes are prevented from using methods that significantly increase the uptake and carrying of oxygen.
"For example, the re-injection of an athlete's own blood," Ings said.
"ASADA is not aware of a single case being brought against an athlete for a violation of anti-doping rules for the using an oxygen mask."
The NRL is satisfied the technique being used by the Tigers is a form of hypo-oxygenation training, which dilutes the amount of oxygen and mimics altitude training.
WADA is currently reviewing the use of hyper-oxygenation, which is a direct intake of oxygen. "The advice from ASADA is they are looking at the use of canned oxygen where it is used to increase oxygen levels," NRL spokesman John Brady said.
"They may or may not change their stance on this issue.
"There is no indication from WADA or anywhere else that they are looking to prevent methods, which are really the equivalent of altitude training.
"We have been assured by both ASAda there is no question of the policy being breached by Wests Tigers or any other club. Nor is there any question that being unethical."
Meanwhile, nonplussed Parramatta players yesterday laughed off their rivals' use of the controversial hypoxygenation technology.
In-form centre Joel Reddy said that while Parramatta utilised GPS monitoring, like all NRL sides, he doubted the long-term benefits of oxygen masks.
"We just use the GPS and a whole lot of that Painaway stuff, but as far as the oxygen masks go, we haven't got to that yet," Reddy said.
"It might mentally give them a bit of an edge, but if that's what they want to do to get right, good luck to them. As long as it's legal there's nothing wrong with anything that they're doing, I suppose."
NRL physician Dr Paul Muratore said benefit was only gained from sustained use over several weeks and was sceptical about the benefits it would provide footballers.
"Everyone is looking for an edge and this seems to be an edge," he said. "But how much of an edge, I don't really know. Rugby league is only 80 minutes and is really not that high endurance.
"I can understand a marathon runner or a cyclist but I'm not so sure with rugby league."
Reddy said while he was open to new technology and altitude training, he doubts the overall benefits.
"I just think in a team sport its a bit hard to worry about that,"' he said. "It's more just training as a unit that's going to help not the individual little things in the long run."
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:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: One of your all time best tiger_one…... :master: still laughing
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Expert's air of uncertainty over Tigers treatment
Jacquelin Magnay | August 21, 2009
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One of Australia's foremost scientists in the field of altitude training and the use of oxygen, Professor Chris Gore, believes the Wests Tigers might be involved in gamesmanship in the lead-up to the finals series.
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Professor Gore, from the Australian Institute of Sport, said the use of hypoxic canisters, replicating a low-oxygen environment similar to altitude training, would not be effective in healing soft tissue and bone injuries - the reason the Tigers claimed they were employing the treatment. ''Why put injured athletes in a low-oxygen environment? It is counter-intuitive,'' Professor Gore said.
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''The science has shown that using a hyperbaric chamber, which is two to three atmospheres of oxygen pressure on the body - that is, putting the body in high oxygen environment - may accelerate healing, not by decreasing oxygen.''
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On Tuesday, the Herald published a photograph of three players - Robbie Farah, who was sidelined for the final 20 minutes of the clash with Cronulla last Sunday, Keith Galloway, who has had a long-term knee injury, and John Skandalis who has a leg injury - each breathing from masks with their noses clipped and holding a canister as they walked around Concord Oval.
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The club has told the NRL the players were breathing in a hypoxic mix of air - which has less oxygen and mimics the rarified air at high altitude.
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But Professor Gore, who has been involved with the altitude chamber house at the Australian Institute of Sport since its inception in 1997, said only a few athletes had achieved meaningful benefits at altitude - about one or two per cent of performance - and then only after two to three weeks of nightly sleeps in the altitude house.
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''It is not for everyone,'' he said. ''That improved one or two per cent may be easily counter-balanced by illness or injury or poor sleep'' he said.
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Professor Gore said studies were mixed, but some claimed that to obtain increased red blood cells, athletes would have to be in a high-altitude environment of more than 2000 metres for three weeks.
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He said the AIS studies had shown no increased production in red blood cells even when athletes spent three hours per day at 4500m for 20 days.
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However, some football clubs use a form of hypoxic training - breathing in the rarified air while on an exercise bike - so an injured athlete can work his heart and lungs harder, but not at the expense of his injured body part.
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Hypoxia puts a much larger load on the body, so that a 50 per cent effort might become a 70 per cent effort by doing the same work, but breathing less oxygen.
God this woman is a brain dead slapper.
How is it that me, a regular guy and member of the club, knows more about this device and how it has been used by the club than a journalist?
To top it off she writes an article on how it has no benefit on soft tissue injuries wich is not not even the point of the process.
Idiot
Jacquelin Magnay | August 21, 2009
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One of Australia's foremost scientists in the field of altitude training and the use of oxygen, Professor Chris Gore, believes the Wests Tigers might be involved in gamesmanship in the lead-up to the finals series.
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Professor Gore, from the Australian Institute of Sport, said the use of hypoxic canisters, replicating a low-oxygen environment similar to altitude training, would not be effective in healing soft tissue and bone injuries - the reason the Tigers claimed they were employing the treatment. ''Why put injured athletes in a low-oxygen environment? It is counter-intuitive,'' Professor Gore said.
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''The science has shown that using a hyperbaric chamber, which is two to three atmospheres of oxygen pressure on the body - that is, putting the body in high oxygen environment - may accelerate healing, not by decreasing oxygen.''
>
On Tuesday, the Herald published a photograph of three players - Robbie Farah, who was sidelined for the final 20 minutes of the clash with Cronulla last Sunday, Keith Galloway, who has had a long-term knee injury, and John Skandalis who has a leg injury - each breathing from masks with their noses clipped and holding a canister as they walked around Concord Oval.
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The club has told the NRL the players were breathing in a hypoxic mix of air - which has less oxygen and mimics the rarified air at high altitude.
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But Professor Gore, who has been involved with the altitude chamber house at the Australian Institute of Sport since its inception in 1997, said only a few athletes had achieved meaningful benefits at altitude - about one or two per cent of performance - and then only after two to three weeks of nightly sleeps in the altitude house.
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''It is not for everyone,'' he said. ''That improved one or two per cent may be easily counter-balanced by illness or injury or poor sleep'' he said.
>
Professor Gore said studies were mixed, but some claimed that to obtain increased red blood cells, athletes would have to be in a high-altitude environment of more than 2000 metres for three weeks.
>
He said the AIS studies had shown no increased production in red blood cells even when athletes spent three hours per day at 4500m for 20 days.
>
However, some football clubs use a form of hypoxic training - breathing in the rarified air while on an exercise bike - so an injured athlete can work his heart and lungs harder, but not at the expense of his injured body part.
>
Hypoxia puts a much larger load on the body, so that a 50 per cent effort might become a 70 per cent effort by doing the same work, but breathing less oxygen.
God this woman is a brain dead slapper.
How is it that me, a regular guy and member of the club, knows more about this device and how it has been used by the club than a journalist?
To top it off she writes an article on how it has no benefit on soft tissue injuries wich is not not even the point of the process.
Idiot
