Tigers want to lock up Sheens before rivals come knocking

[Cultured_Bogan]

To GNR4life:

The **FACTS** are that Head played **SIX** games due to injury in 2007 for the Dragons (winning 2 out of 6)!!

And as a result - they cut him!

He then played 11 for us in 2008 & 10 for them again in 2009!!!

Who played him more in those years genius??????

im not talking about how many games he played in for the dragons in 07 n 09 im just talkin bout wat he did in 08…n the fact is up until that point in time he was the best halfback the tigers had since Prince n couldn't have played much better...but for 1 reason or another Sheens wasn't a fan

He was extremely injury prone and Sheens wasn't the only one to have it in for him, because he was often relegated to playing for Shellharbour in 2009 when signed to St. Merge Illawarra and was eventually shafted at the end of the season and was playing for Dapto last year. Why would you pay good money to have a player around for half a season? Your argument is redundant anyway because in 2009 we uncovered Moltzen, and to a lesser extent, Lui. Would you still have Head at the Tigers eating up cap space and getting a run in front of either of those two?

Head was good when his knee held together enough for him to make it onto the pitch, but 11 games in a season isn't good enough to justify a salary. He always got the start when he was fit, so I don't know how you could say that Sheens sabotaged his short career at Wests. He knew that Head's career was over before Bennett did…

You forget that Sheens is only half the problem. The attitude of the players is also key to premiership material. In 2009 we lost 4 games in a row by a margin of 2 or 1 point, of which two games we were run down to lose. We win either of those two games and we secured a finals berth ahead of Parramatta. There's only so many times people can blame the player selection for poor results, Steve Michaels was the bloody halfback when Brisbane won their premiership in 2006!

Sheens has made some clangers in the past, but if he secures another premiership this year he will be the only coach other than Bennett to have won two premierships in the super-competitive cap driven NRL era, and that in itself is a pretty prestigious achievement IMO and extremely deserving of a contract extension.

 

[system]

Simple reality with Mr Head is that he had personal issues which held him back on top of his injuries

 

[GNR4LIFE]

To GNR4life:

The **FACTS** are that Head played **SIX** games due to injury in 2007 for the Dragons (winning 2 out of 6)!!

And as a result - they cut him!

He then played 11 for us in 2008 & 10 for them again in 2009!!!

Who played him more in those years genius??????

im not talking about how many games he played in for the dragons in 07 n 09 im just talkin bout wat he did in 08…n the fact is up until that point in time he was the best halfback the tigers had since Prince n couldn't have played much better...but for 1 reason or another Sheens wasn't a fan

He was extremely injury prone and Sheens wasn't the only one to have it in for him, because he was often relegated to playing for Shellharbour in 2009 when signed to St. Merge Illawarra and was eventually shafted at the end of the season and was playing for Dapto last year. Why would you pay good money to have a player around for half a season? Your argument is redundant anyway because in 2009 we uncovered Moltzen, and to a lesser extent, Lui. Would you still have Head at the Tigers eating up cap space and getting a run in front of either of those two?

Head was good when his knee held together enough for him to make it onto the pitch, but 11 games in a season isn't good enough to justify a salary. He always got the start when he was fit, so I don't know how you could say that Sheens sabotaged his short career at Wests. He knew that Head's career was over before Bennett did…

You forget that Sheens is only half the problem. The attitude of the players is also key to premiership material. In 2009 we lost 4 games in a row by a margin of 2 or 1 point, of which two games we were run down to lose. We win either of those two games and we secured a finals berth ahead of Parramatta. There's only so many times people can blame the player selection for poor results, Steve Michaels was the bloody halfback when Brisbane won their premiership in 2006!

Sheens has made some clangers in the past, but if he secures another premiership this year he will be the only coach other than Bennett to have won two premierships in the super-competitive cap driven NRL era, and that in itself is a pretty prestigious achievement IMO and extremely deserving of a contract extension.

note i said up until that point in time im not sayin he'd b the best option atm just that he was the best option available at the time…n the halfback for the broncos in 06 was Shane Perry (former magpie) not Steve Michaels...Steve Michaels is a winger

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

To GNR4life:

The **FACTS** are that Head played **SIX** games due to injury in 2007 for the Dragons (winning 2 out of 6)!!

And as a result - they cut him!

He then played 11 for us in 2008 & 10 for them again in 2009!!!

Who played him more in those years genius??????

im not talking about how many games he played in for the dragons in 07 n 09 im just talkin bout wat he did in 08…n the fact is up until that point in time he was the best halfback the tigers had since Prince n couldn't have played much better...but for 1 reason or another Sheens wasn't a fan

He was extremely injury prone and Sheens wasn't the only one to have it in for him, because he was often relegated to playing for Shellharbour in 2009 when signed to St. Merge Illawarra and was eventually shafted at the end of the season and was playing for Dapto last year. Why would you pay good money to have a player around for half a season? Your argument is redundant anyway because in 2009 we uncovered Moltzen, and to a lesser extent, Lui. Would you still have Head at the Tigers eating up cap space and getting a run in front of either of those two?

Head was good when his knee held together enough for him to make it onto the pitch, but 11 games in a season isn't good enough to justify a salary. He always got the start when he was fit, so I don't know how you could say that Sheens sabotaged his short career at Wests. He knew that Head's career was over before Bennett did…

You forget that Sheens is only half the problem. The attitude of the players is also key to premiership material. In 2009 we lost 4 games in a row by a margin of 2 or 1 point, of which two games we were run down to lose. We win either of those two games and we secured a finals berth ahead of Parramatta. There's only so many times people can blame the player selection for poor results, Steve Michaels was the bloody halfback when Brisbane won their premiership in 2006!

Sheens has made some clangers in the past, but if he secures another premiership this year he will be the only coach other than Bennett to have won two premierships in the super-competitive cap driven NRL era, and that in itself is a pretty prestigious achievement IMO and extremely deserving of a contract extension.

note i said up until that point in time im not sayin he'd b the best option atm just that he was the best option available at the time…n the halfback for the broncos in 06 was Shane Perry (former magpie) not Steve Michaels...Steve Michaels is a winger

Thats right re: Perry… Got them mixed up...

 

[tigersrule4life]

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[happy_tiger]

i think tim has earned at least a 2 year contract many people right him off for 2006 -2009 performances You can only get players on market and we suffered many injuries and lost some key players Prince , Richards Laffranchi etc in those years When we finally got team that was competitive we only fell 1 point short of a grand final which we would have won despite many injuries Given a relatively injury free 2011 top 6 should be attainable . If we missed top 8 next 2 years obviously situation changes

 

[redemption]

To GNR4life:

The **FACTS** are that Head played **SIX** games due to injury in 2007 for the Dragons (winning 2 out of 6)!!

And as a result - they cut him!

He then played 11 for us in 2008 & 10 for them again in 2009!!!

Who played him more in those years genius??????

im not talking about how many games he played in for the dragons in 07 n 09 im just talkin bout wat he did in 08…n the fact is up until that point in time he was the best halfback the tigers had since Prince n couldn't have played much better...but for 1 reason or another Sheens wasn't a fan

Mate your own quote contradicts you:

"Matthew Head hadn't been injured for 12 months when he arrived at the tigersn he was MOM in almost every game he played"

My point was yes he had been injured - arrived at our club injured & was unfit all season while with us!!!

And you want to blame the coach for not picking an unfit player???

 

[T-REXX]

U better get some new Facts then… the reason HEAD was cut had nothing to do with past injuries or current injuries.
There was a good reason Sheens didnt resign him.. He was a BIG Liability in defence.
Gallant, same reason as HEAD was cut.. was a liability in defence. To small for what the tigers needed.

They are the facts and not out of a cereal box
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Head was plagued with leg injuries & played 11 games in a season - what more would he deserve genius?????

O'Hara was in the same category & Gallant was even a fringe player at the Cowboys spooners last year!!!

Wilson was never a winger - unlike Fitzy who was very good for us in 2005!!!

Matthew Head hadn't been injured for 12 months when he arrived at the tigersn he was MOM in almost every game he played,O'Hara came 2 the tigers as an origin player n as far as Fitzy being very good in 05 maybe u should go n look at the video of a game against the dragons n rate Fitzy's performancen the only reson he was very good was coz he was on the end of that backline…how bout Whatuira?...how can u justify letting him go n keeping Fitzy?

You're just making stuff up

those r called facts

 

[Guest]

Good points T-REXX, plus Head had some off field issues as well which didn't do him any favors. Anyway, back to topic please.

 

[happy_tiger]

Would of taken John Morris over Head every day of the week Who cares its ancient history In 2011 we have a gun side that will shake the premiership to its knees barring any monumental injury toll Lets be concerned about that if we play well everything else will sort itself out Sheens will sign and Lawrence will sign

 

[redemption]

U better get some new Facts then… the reason HEAD was cut had nothing to do with past injuries or current injuries.
There was a good reason Sheens didnt resign him.. He was a BIG Liability in defence.
Gallant, same reason as HEAD was cut.. was a liability in defence. To small for what the tigers needed.

They are the facts and not out of a cereal box
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Matthew Head hadn't been injured for 12 months when he arrived at the tigersn he was MOM in almost every game he played,O'Hara came 2 the tigers as an origin player n as far as Fitzy being very good in 05 maybe u should go n look at the video of a game against the dragons n rate Fitzy's performancen the only reson he was very good was coz he was on the end of that backline…how bout Whatuira?...how can u justify letting him go n keeping Fitzy?

You're just making stuff up

those r called facts

His knees were shot T-Rexx - that is a fact and played a significant role in his poor speed & defensive capabilities!

It is also fact that he was injured when he arrived at the club - (I cannot tell if you are taking a shot at me or GNR4life about lack of facts mate!)

He was not physically or mentally up to first grade standard! I only raise injuries because GNR4life stated that he had had not been injured in the 12 months prior to us signing him!!

 

[king_sirro]

There are plenty of "facts" being thrown around as to why Head was let go, and everyone thinks the reason they have heard is the correct reason and ONLY reason. I'd say most reasons that have been given all contributed to his demise at the Tigers in some way, therefore we you can all take a little credit for knowing the real reason…..........if thats what floats all your boats. maybe ill throw in my one too just to add to it........Farah didnt like having another lefty in the side interfering with his kicking game. Hmmmmm, sound odd, but hey i heard it.

 

[T-REXX]

redemption, it wasnt aimed at you.

Yes he was still injured when he came to the club but that is still not the reason he was cut. His Injurys were also not a concern when we signed him as i know he was given a pretty strong medical check.. Even when his knees were good, he was still a liability and he didnt suit the teams playing style..

 

[redemption]

Cheers T-Rexx!

I am certainly not blaming his injuries for him being cut - just making the point that Sheens - in giving him 11 games - gave him more than ample time to prove his worth at the club and due to a combination of injuries, ability & attitude he was unable to earn a long-term deal!

Sheens never "shafted" him was my main point!

 

[Chris]

There are opinions and there are facts on what happened with Matty Head and with T-Rexx's version of events comes the facts. Sheens didn't have to buy him, he did and the experiment didn't fit in with the Wests Tigers brand of football. He had to go, simple.

 

[westTAHger]

when Tim Sheens arrived at the club, he had a massive task.
not many other coaches, wanted to take the job on.
Tim Sheens did.
to win a maiden premiership for the club.
don't forget wests-tigers are the first joint venture club to win a NRL title.
yes we have not been pleased with results and other issues, like player selections over the seasons.
extreme anger and dis-appointment in only making the finals once, in 2010, since winning comp in 2005.
success, leads to expectation, when its not met, anger, resentment and frustration creep in.
then scapegoats are looked for.
that is in the past, look forward to the future ahead.
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now ask yourself this question.
would any other coach, who was available at the time, got wests-tigers a premiership.
if the answer is yes, send me a message so I can get all the winning lotto numbers for each week for next 2 years.

 

[BeeJay]

I'm pretty sure Sheens has been quoted saying that when you leave a club you have to leave it in a better position then when you arrived there. If Sheens was to go then he has at least been true to his word.

The club was a shambles before Sheens arrived and soon after he did arrive we acheived success.
He has been a little slow to adapt to the changes in the game that came about almost immediately after our 2005 win, and at times his use of the interchange and player selections has had me tearing my hair out.
But would I want another coach.. not yet..
Sheens has nurtured the current crop of players and I think he deserves to bare the fruits of his labour.

 

[clontarfkid]

Its only one game,& no need to panic or over react,but
1)the inability to get the team anywhere near fully motivated for the important first game of the season,
2)the unwillingness to address during the off season several ongoing issues such as goalkicking & kicking in general play,
3)some unorthodox(for anyone other than Sheens) selections,
4) a game plan that doesnt play to our strengths,
are all somewhat reminiscent of the 2006-2009 "dark age" era…...
...and are all a wake up call for Humphries to commit only to to a short term contract for Sheens based on ongoing results.

 

[happy_tiger]

Its only one game,& no need to panic or over react,but
1)the inability to get the team anywhere near fully motivated for the important first game of the season,
2)the unwillingness to address during the off season several ongoing issues such as goalkicking & kicking in general play,
3)some unorthodox(for anyone other than Sheens) selections,
4) a game plan that doesnt play to our strengths,
are all somewhat reminiscent of the 2006-2009 "dark age" era…...
...and are all a wake up call for Humphreys to commit only to to a short term contract for Sheens based on ongoing results.

is it just possible that the team did not follow instructions or just did not play well . there are 17 players out there not Sheens why blame him ??????????????????????

 

[Team_Tiger]

Because Benji said the game plan was ruck it up with a good kick chase. That is pathetic.