Watson Heleta and Marion Seve
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Tiger_Watto
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I've seen plenty of Seve and he is a Left Centre… Why he was switched to the right is criminal and will be as good as Jennings if given the time.
If JT has the nuts to make change, he will put the best talent on the park.
If JT has the nuts to make change, he will put the best talent on the park.
@Tiger Watto said:
Jennings is a big wrap!
When I first saw Seve at the Schools carnival I had a big opinion of him, in fact I thought he was the best player at the carnival, albeit the carnival seemed weaker than normal. (DWZ was injured very early and was probably the player with the biggest reputation going in)
I thought he looked better than Sione Matau'tia, but over the last 2 seasons he hasnt progressed, all the ingredients are there, it is just not happening at the moment (IMO).
You could well be right, he could go onto to be a very good first grader, if he is as good as Jenko, well that would be terrific. Speaking of Jennings, I think Robert is better than Michael, more complete and works harder, huge call, but Ill go with it!
Tiger_Watto
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Roberts is a better defender in my opinion… Wonder who has better speed, Roberts or Jennings?
On Seve, I didnt want to give him too big a wrap and compare him to Renouf [who he always reminded me of], so went the recent option of Jennings [for a NSW player, he is pretty good] :slight_smile:
On Seve, I didnt want to give him too big a wrap and compare him to Renouf [who he always reminded me of], so went the recent option of Jennings [for a NSW player, he is pretty good] :slight_smile:
I meant Robert Jennings better than Michael.
James Roberts is as talented as it is possible to be, if he just keeps his head he is an out and out star.
Roberts would definitely be faster than Jennings and stronger.
I hate saying things like this, Roberts is the most talented player of his type Ive ever seen (hard to compare him to ball players and stuff), I think he is more talented than GI, enormous call. If he gets dedicated he will be simply amazing, all his misdemeanours are minor, but numerous, if he gets himself together he will kill it, but unfortunately that is a big IF.
James Roberts is as talented as it is possible to be, if he just keeps his head he is an out and out star.
Roberts would definitely be faster than Jennings and stronger.
I hate saying things like this, Roberts is the most talented player of his type Ive ever seen (hard to compare him to ball players and stuff), I think he is more talented than GI, enormous call. If he gets dedicated he will be simply amazing, all his misdemeanours are minor, but numerous, if he gets himself together he will kill it, but unfortunately that is a big IF.
Fade_To_Black
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@Tiger Watto said:
JT would be a fool to move Tim Sim from left centre. IMO if Simona stays injury free (massive IF after his numerous injuries thus far) he will turn out every bit as good of a talent as Teddy- he is a classy player. Just hope he stays with us for a few seasons yet.
Tiger_Watto
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@Fade To Black said:
Hopefully your right… After 7 years of investing in him as a Centre, he has had more chances than most so you'd expect he will have a breakout season before he is ready for the pension.
greatodensraven
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@Tiger Watto said:
We've got a few options now if injury strikes or people don't perform. Rankin, Heleta, Seve, Hunt, Chee-Kam, Addo-Carr etc. should all be keeping Simona, Nofo & Kevy on their toes.
@Tiger Watto said:
Only scored 4 less tries as the leading centre Roberts and set up 3 times as many in 2015\. In an injury interupted season….you been licking happy's cane toads...
Tiger_Watto
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@Geo. said:
Wow… Sounds exciting when comparing 2 crap teams.
jirskyr
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@Fade To Black said:
I've never been one to understand why some players can't play both sides of the field? Sure you have a favoured side, but if you are a pro you should be able to switch?
It's not like you are a righty being asked to play left-handed at tennis or cricket.
doublesonthemain
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I watched Heleta play in the Junior Kiwis test side a year or two ago, he did seem to lack a little pace in that game, losing ground chasing a young aussie outside back at one point. The other fella might've been very quick, not sure, but Heleta lost ground pretty easily over that 50m chase. Not sure about Seve although he missed almost a full year 2 years ago with an injury and 8 weeks last year because of suspension, think he'd have plenty of improvement in him which could be advantageous. Peni suffered a badly broken jaw last year and missed a lot of footy, probably took a while to regain confidence after that as well. He looks a little bigger in some of the pictures displayed on the Tigers website, might be wrong about that though. It's difficult to judge him as last year was a difficult one for him. And Milone is another who is hard to judge. He looked good in the 20s two seasons ago but suffered a badly broken leg. He was still in rehab for most of the pre-season last year, eventually playing from about rd 6 or 7 in the State Cup, almost a year on the sidelines. I think all expected last year for him just to be about getting strong again physically and mentally but he was brought in the the NRL team after only 5 games of State Cup because he was doing well and not much alternative at that time. There's no doubt he will be better this year after a full pre-season. So Peni, Milone and Seve are all young guys who have missed a lot of footy over the last year or two. It'll be interesting to see who will come out of the experience the better player.
What's the depth pecking order IYO?
Milone>Seve>Heleta>Peni?
or
Milone>Peni>Seve>Heleta?
No idea.
Milone>Seve>Heleta>Peni?
or
Milone>Peni>Seve>Heleta?
No idea.
jirskyr
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@Demps said:
Put a line through Milone, he is there as last-ditch coverage only. The other 3 still have good development potential.
I get the impression that we hoped Seve would come on a bit more quickly, that is why he got a number of runs in NSW Cup, but he's not yet at the level they'd like. Putting it another way, he's already 20 years old (21 in May), when someone like Chris Lawrence debuted at 17 and Tim Sim also got his first game at 20.
It's unfortunate for us that we haven't had both centres firing at the same time, for a long time. Probably not since the Ayshford / Lawrence combo, then Ayshford went on the slide, Lawrence lost some pace and Simona didn't quite come on in his first year or two. Now Simona is clearly our top centre option and a quality NRL prospect, but we can't fill the other position.
I feel a signing like Rankin, and even Chee Kam, is to cover centres as much as any position. Not necessarily to occupy the centres long-term, because within a few seasons one of Seve / Peni / Heleta might be well in the frame, but to bridge that gap with Lawrence clearly to 2nd row, Hoeter released and Milone just not being up to it.
I like the idea of someone like Chee kam in the centres for his defence. We leaked too many points in the outside backs last year so good defence in the centres is key and is more important than attacking options these days.Good attack should come anyway with an energetic spine and fast wingers.
fergiefurr
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Chee Kam has been mainly training at center which I found interesting, particuarly since our back row stock is fairly limited.
Seve and Heleta could both go either way. Interesting that this time two years ago Heleta was third choice NYC center to Milone and Seve, now it appears he has over taken them both. He is a pocket rocket and I feel the Hurrell comparison is a fair one. He certainly looks to have slimed down in the training pics though, looks very fit which is nice to see.
As others have said he has had injuries over the last two years but I still feel Seve has been dissapointing and poorly managed. He was stuck at right center/wing when all the attack went to the left side with Martin. He is in no way a modern day winger, not powerful enough. He has great footwork and acceleration and is better with more room to move infield.
Its a shame so many of these kids never go to that next level with us. What is it? Does the club not push them enough? Not a professional enough setup that makes them strive to be the best they can be? I can't help but get the feeling that if these guys had gone to the Dogs/Roosters etc they would be well ahead of where they are now.
Seve and Heleta could both go either way. Interesting that this time two years ago Heleta was third choice NYC center to Milone and Seve, now it appears he has over taken them both. He is a pocket rocket and I feel the Hurrell comparison is a fair one. He certainly looks to have slimed down in the training pics though, looks very fit which is nice to see.
As others have said he has had injuries over the last two years but I still feel Seve has been dissapointing and poorly managed. He was stuck at right center/wing when all the attack went to the left side with Martin. He is in no way a modern day winger, not powerful enough. He has great footwork and acceleration and is better with more room to move infield.
Its a shame so many of these kids never go to that next level with us. What is it? Does the club not push them enough? Not a professional enough setup that makes them strive to be the best they can be? I can't help but get the feeling that if these guys had gone to the Dogs/Roosters etc they would be well ahead of where they are now.
The problem the WTs have is we don't have the money of a Roosters/ Dogs type club to buy the proven top players in the game. we can't surround our juniors with experienced rep players so they are nurtured. Yeah , most of our juniors would have come on quicker or been introduced in more ideal circumstances at the Dogs/Roosters.
The thing we do have is one of the best nurseries in the game. It a very wide catchment area. And Yes we should be doing all we can to make a high level academy that's the best in the league.
The thing we do have is one of the best nurseries in the game. It a very wide catchment area. And Yes we should be doing all we can to make a high level academy that's the best in the league.
