Wayne Bennet

Bennett is the best coach in the NRL

Who has helped build a club from scratch and the remain at the club for near on 20 seasons afterwards NO ONE

Who sacked arguably the greatest player to live , have half the state wanting his head on a stake because of it and still reach the heights he did

Coach his State to multiple Origin series wins

Coach his country to success

Help coach another country to success

Tell me another coach who has managed to do all of this
 
bennet said from the start of the season, dont expect miracles. just like tigers always say, judge us at the end of the season, judge bennet at the end of his 4 year span at newcastle.
 
@tig_prmz said:
bennet said from the start of the season, dont expect miracles. just like tigers always say, judge us at the end of the season, judge bennet at the end of his 4 year span at newcastle.

That's code for "don't judge me now whilst I actually have to coach players"…...........just "give me four years to sign a team of players and then judge me."
 
I think the funniest thing thats happened so far is that Bennett dumped a player whose turned out to be arguebly the form hooker of the comp this yr (De Gois) for a 34 yr old has-been whose been injured and barely been able to get through 80 mins with zero impact.

Also at the start of the yr, Matt Johns said he had spoken to Newcastle fans over the off-season and they all had asked him how many premierships they would win? They're starting to sound like Steeler fans
 
@happy tiger said:
Bennett is the best coach in the NRL

Who has helped build a club from scratch and the remain at the club for near on 20 seasons afterwards NO ONE

From scratch? Their first game in they beat the reigning premiers by 30\. They were an Origin team from day one.
 
@cnx_tigers said:
@happy tiger said:
Bennett is the best coach in the NRL

Who has helped build a club from scratch and the remain at the club for near on 20 seasons afterwards NO ONE

From scratch? Their first game in they beat the reigning premiers by 30\. They were an Origin team from day one.

But its the blokes be built from scratch CNX I'm talking about

How many blokes from the Broncos Game 1 were in the side that won their first premiership

Johns , Langer were about it

A bloke like Willie Carne In grade 12 he couldn't run the hundred in under 12 seconds , was a five eight playing union

Bennett gets hold of him turns him into a SOO and International winger

You blokes in NSW really don't know how good he really is

In 1984 he lost a GF by a record margin

With the same side bar one player (Norm Carr) he beat a side containing the heart of the Qld SOO with his biggest star Mal Meninga carrying an injury all game

If you asked any Qlder they would tell you how good he really is Not because he is a Qlder but because they probably know a story like Willie Carne where they weren't a schoolboy star and he turned them into a star
 
@happy tiger said:
@cnx_tigers said:
@happy tiger said:
Bennett is the best coach in the NRL

Who has helped build a club from scratch and the remain at the club for near on 20 seasons afterwards NO ONE

From scratch? Their first game in they beat the reigning premiers by 30\. They were an Origin team from day one.

But its the blokes be built from scratch CNX I'm talking about

How many blokes from the Broncos Game 1 were in the side that won their first premiership

Johns , Langer were about it

_**Johns, Langer, Hancock, Matterson, Hohn.**_

A bloke like Willie Carne In grade 12 he couldn't run the hundred in under 12 seconds , was a five eight playing union

Bennett gets hold of him turns him into a SOO and International winger

You blokes in NSW really don't know how good he really is

**_im sure we blokes (maybe just the coaches of NSW teams) would love to be provided with QLD and Aus players from day dot and be feed the best players every year from an entire state_**

In 1984 he lost a GF by a record margin

**_That's a bad thing right?_**

With the same side bar one player (Norm Carr) he beat a side containing the heart of the Qld SOO with his biggest star Mal Meninga carrying an injury all game

**_what? during the season or the next year? i dont understand this part at all?_**

If you asked any Qlder they would tell you how good he really is Not because he is a Qlder but because they probably know a story like Willie Carne where they weren't a schoolboy star and he turned them into a star

**_If he really is the greatest, one shouldnt have to ask anyone from a particular state. I come from Newcastle and 99% of the people i know that are footy fans and/or follow the Knights think he has already been shown up as a myth._**

i do agree he shouldnt be judged immediately as its only half a season and we should wait to see what happens at the rear of the season. Also see what happens over the coming years with his whole time at Newcastle. It will be interesting to see if he brings through the ranks a team full of state and Aus players like he supposedly did at his time north of the border. Hey if he is such a great coach and "made" all those state and Aus players he should be able to bring more through the system. In four years his side should be 75% of the current national squad and 99% of the NSW squad…........or maybe, just maybe he had it a hell of a lot easier in QLD with a whole state as your catchment area to choose players from. Also a couple of Trophies would be expected, right?
 
No doubt he's a great coach Happy and I'd love him here at the Tigers.

I just don't go with the whole 'super coach'. Willie Carne….........Sheens took Clyde and Daley from the bush and made them superstars. We don't call Sheensy a 'supercoach'.

IMO a supercoach can take a bunch of no names and turn them into a top 4 type team. Go from last to 4th in a season etc. Brian Smith is actually the best at that, but we don't label him a 'supercoach'.

Bennet is great, but he's had four years now combined with Saints and the Knights and neither side barely has a decent attacking move or any motion in their offense. He relied on Soward's kicks for years at Saints. If Jeremy Smith got penalised (kneed Lote, 100% penalty) then we win that GF qualifier and Bennet fails at Saints. He's had a lot of incredibly loaded teams over the years and a bit of luck. The Knights are his best test IMO. If he can bring through a bunch of kids from up there and win a comp........yes, he's a super coach.

If he gets nothing more than Rick Stone did............then, yes, he's exposed.
 
@reyre2000 said:
@cnx_tigers said:
@Marshall_magic said:
Bennett had a team full of Australian reps at Brisbane, that he brought through the ranks and got to that level

You must be VERY young.

Bennet started with a Broncos team packed full of internationals.

He didn't then "develop" a new set, the Broncos got FED internationals year after year before the Storm came in…...they essentially had all of QLD to pick from for their first ten years.

Spot on. Sorry young fella, but i remember this all to well.

The first team to run out onto the park are as follows -

**Colin Scott** - fb
_Joe Kilroy_ - W
_Chris Johns_ - c
**Gene Miles** - c
_Mick Hancock_ - w
**Wally** - 5/8
**Alfie** - hb
_Terry Matterson_ - L
Brett Le Man - sr
Keith Gee - sr (played a tour match for QLD vs NZ in 1987)
**Greg Dowling** - p
**Greg Conescu** - h
**Bryan Niebling** - p

Mark Hohn - Bench
Billy Noke - Bench
Craig Grauf - Bench

Those in bold had already previously played for QLD or AUS before even taking the park for the Broncos.
Those in italics played for their state in 1988 or 1989
Mark Hohn played for his state in the early 90's maybe 92 or 93??
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Not a bad team to start with. 12 of the starting 13 were all rep players by 1989\. Bennett continued the run with a team full of QLD and AUS players for his whole time at Brisbane.

Although they did win the Panasonic cup in 89' the biggest surprise is that it took him 5 years to lift the premiership trophy? Thats the amazing part about it!!
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(thanks to wikipedia for filling in some of my gaps in memory for the bench players)

And how many of them were still there 10 years later? He won the premiership in 98 and 00 with teams he pretty much brought through the ranks on his own, with very few purchased players. He won another in 2006 with a similar sort of team. Pet, Webcke, Lockyer, Hodges, Carroll, Berrigan, Hunt, Thorn all these internationals he had in his team in 06 were brought into first grade by Bennett and made it all the way to origin standard under his guidance.
 
ahhh mate, this is going around in circles and now im extremely peeved off because my computer just crashed after me writing a huge reply. now i cant be bothered to retype it.

Ill just say this and seriously this should end it all. Marshal Magic please imagine 1 team from NSW. How would they go? There is no crystal ball but you could bet your bottom dollar the "supercoach " of that 1 NSW side would also have bought through a hell of a lot of rep players just like Bennett had with the luxury of a whole state to choose players from.

Lets wait and see if he can produce a team from Newcastle that consists of 75% of the National Squad and 90% of the NSW squad. All of which he "brings through the system." I mean he is so great what possible reason would there be that he couldnt do it again, unless of course he was spoon feed a whole states best young players for year on year.
 
I think he is racist, he doesn't like Islanders.
Probably thinks they're lazy trainers.

All the teams he has coached have been pretty white, with a few aboriginals & Fijians or whatever but he doesn't like the Islanders.

Dragons signed Vidot, with him gone.
He's @ the knights and Zeb Taia won't be there next year.
Doesn't chose Junior Sau unless he desperately has to.
Where is Evarn Tuimavave?

Expect Richie Faa'oso, Junior Sau, Likiliki & possibly the Mati-utia boys gone next year.
…Just a little theory I have.
 
@reyre2000 said:
ahhh mate, this is going around in circles and now im extremely peeved off because my computer just crashed after me writing a huge reply. now i cant be bothered to retype it.

Ill just say this and seriously this should end it all. Marshal Magic please imagine 1 team from NSW. How would they go? There is no crystal ball but you could bet your bottom dollar the "supercoach " of that 1 NSW side would also have bought through a hell of a lot of rep players just like Bennett had with the luxury of a whole state to choose players from.

Lets wait and see if he can produce a team from Newcastle that consists of 75% of the National Squad and 90% of the NSW squad. All of which he "brings through the system." I mean he is so great what possible reason would there be that he couldnt do it again, unless of course he was spoon feed a whole states best young players for year on year.

Lets look at it from another way OK have your I NSW side

Lets ban pokies in NSW and put them in Qld and systematically pillage NSW of all those great players you comment about so the youth of all these teams is playing in Qld

Half the Qld side in the Broncos Many were on the downside of great careers Dowling ,Neibling ,Conescu ,Scott and Kilroy
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Their were two sides in Qld by this time remember the Gold Coast came in as well in 1988

And then you comment in regards to all the players available to the Broncos

Didn't the same thing happen before salary caps

look at the eighties 4 or 5 sides dominated the 80's because of money

if you are going to make comments get your facts correct
 
Wow, what a negative little man you must be. I'm sure you feel all powerful with that keyboard in front of you.

happy tiger, the only comment i will make is please take a look at your posts and check your grammar and sentence structure before hitting the submit button. I cant even begin to bother to look at your posts most times. If you wish for me to smack around your poor rebuttals (most of your posts that i can decipher lean that way) please write it so one can read it. Ill be more than happy to put you in your place once you re write whatever it was you were trying to say in your previous post.
 
@reyre2000 said:
ahhh mate, this is going around in circles and now im extremely peeved off because my computer just crashed after me writing a huge reply. now i cant be bothered to retype it.

Ill just say this and seriously this should end it all. Marshal Magic please imagine 1 team from NSW. How would they go? There is no crystal ball but you could bet your bottom dollar the "supercoach " of that 1 NSW side would also have bought through a hell of a lot of rep players just like Bennett had with the luxury of a whole state to choose players from.

Lets wait and see if he can produce a team from Newcastle that consists of 75% of the National Squad and 90% of the NSW squad. All of which he "brings through the system." I mean he is so great what possible reason would there be that he couldnt do it again, unless of course he was spoon feed a whole states best young players for year on year.

If you want a comparison look at what happens in New Zealand, 1 team for the whole country and one of the best junior bases (look how strong their Toyota Cup team has been). They have as good a junior base as any team, yet they are closing in on 20 seasons without a premiership.

Even the best players need coaching, to integrate their game to that of the players around them. Brisbane under Wayne were a lot like the Storm under Bellamy, what portion of players who left the club improved?

Then look at his Dragons team, in 2008 they went out week 1 of the finals, 2007 they missed the finals altogether. In his first year he took them to the minor premiership, where they were by far the most dominant team, until it fell apart in September. The next year they won the comp. Players who made their origin debuts under Bennett at St George: Scott, Creagh, Soward, Weyman, Merrin, Young, Morris, maybe another 1 or 2 I've missed. How many of those guys would've been considered in 2008 for an origin jersey?

To suggest Bennett is anything but a fantastic coach is ridiculous, over 20 years of excellence trumps 2 and a half months of disappointment.
 
@reyre2000 said:
Wow, what a negative little man you must be. I'm sure you feel all powerful with that keyboard in front of you.

happy tiger, the only comment i will make is please take a look at your posts and check your grammar and sentence structure before hitting the submit button. I cant even begin to bother to look at your posts most times. If you wish for me to smack around your poor rebuttals (most of your posts that i can decipher lean that way) please write it so one can read it. Ill be more than happy to put you in your place once you re write whatever it was you were trying to say in your previous post.

The only person I'm being negative to is you . You can't come up with a basic argument of why you don't think why Bennett isn't a good coach

Again I will put it in point form It might help understand (but I highly doubt it )

He has won 6 NRL premerships (More than anyone else)

He has won 2 World Club challenges

He has coached Australia to a World Cup win

He has helped NZ to a World Cup win

Coached Qld to 2 series victories

NRL coach of the year 2000

1997 coach of the year

And has voted coach that players want to play for in RLW polls 3 times

You go on about that he has been lucky with the quality of players Quality players don't want to play for crap coaches They want to play for the best Bennett is the best coach in the NRL I said earlier in the season that Bennett would struggle at first to change the Newcastle culture Many others have also

The Knights will come good if Tinkler is patient Maybe not in 2012 but it will happen
 
@happy tiger said:
@reyre2000 said:
Wow, what a negative little man you must be. I'm sure you feel all powerful with that keyboard in front of you.

happy tiger, the only comment i will make is **please take a look at your posts and check your grammar and sentence structure before hitting the submit button**. I cant even begin to bother to look at your posts most times. If you wish for me to smack around your poor rebuttals (most of your posts that i can decipher lean that way) please write it so one can read it. Ill be more than happy to put you in your place once you re write whatever it was you were trying to say in your previous post.

The only person I'm being negative to is you . **You can't come up with a basic argument of why you don't think why Bennett isn't a good coach**

_Thanks for proving my point.\
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By using a double negative you are implying i think he is a good coach? Again i dont know what you are trying to say here. You think that i think he isnt a good coach or you dont think that i think he isnt a good coach?_

Again I will put it in point form It might help **YOU** understand (but I highly doubt it )

_Your posts read like you need some help too. I helped you to complete the above sentence. I do appreciate you making the next section in point form. I really hope it will make it easier to understand you._
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He has won 6 NRL premerships (More than anyone else)

He has won 2 World Club challenges

He has coached Australia to a World Cup win

He has helped NZ to a World Cup win

Coached Qld to 2 series victories

NRL coach of the year 2000

1997 coach of the year

And has voted coach that players want to play for in RLW polls 3 times

_Yep, a lot of great stats. Im sure you read the entire thread to become informed of both sides of the debate before mindlessly posting your opinion. In that case you would have read my frst post indicating that he did have great stats. No persons can say otherwise. Unfortunatley stats do not mean you are the best anything. To give you a small example i hope you can comprehend without much trouble. N. Hindmarsh is the best backrower to ever play the game right? hang on, he isn't? Well why does he jointly hold the world record for the most tackles in one game? Stats do not always equate to greatest.\
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However, i will indulge you on your above point forms (thankyou, i was right, it did finally make it easy to understand you). All of the above points do nothing but re-affirm everything i and some others on this thread have already stated. Yes, he won premierships, world club matches, Tests etc etc but he did it with teams stacked with rep players. Yes, even the QLD, NZ and Aus teams included rep players. I simply fail or have any reason to change my thinking as to why he has achieved these results. Simply put his teams have been full of rep players from day dot, of course results should come._

**You go on about that he has been lucky with the quality of players Quality players don't want to play for crap coaches They want to play for the best** Bennett is the **best coach in the NRL** I said earlier in the season that Bennett would struggle at first to **change the Newcastle culture** Many others have also

_"You go on about that he has been lucky with the quality of players Quality players don't want to play for crap coaches They want to play for the best" Just mindless bable that does nothing to prove your point. Must be a page filler. "best coach in the NRL" How long has he been coaching for? 25-26 years? And delivered 6 premierships. Whats that equate to, about a 20ish% success rate to deliver a trophy. Yeah that is pretty good. I would have thought having a career made from coaching a state squad as your weekly team that runs out onto the park may have resulted in more or at the very least 6 premierships.\
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happy tiger, a little help more information on this one please "change to Newcastle culture". What do you mean by this?_

The Knights will come good if Tinkler is patient **Maybe not in 2012 but it will happen**

"it will happen" leaves it open for a long time happy tiger. Maybe not in 2012 but the world will end, maybe not in 2012 but the Tigers will win a premiership.

"Maybe not in 2012 but it will happen" And maybe not under Bennett
 
Thank you so much for the English lessons Reyre I find them so enthralling

They are changing my world day by day

Pity you can't come up with a reason you don't think Bennett is a great coach apart from having great players around him

Oh but thats right , you'll come back and say the onus of proof is on me to prove it

There is a saying " A champion team will always beat a team of champions " Bennett creates champion teams wherever he goes They may start of a team of champions but you still have to meld them

Look at the Manly teams of the 80's On paper they were as good if not better than than the Parramatta sides as individuals , but they could never meld into a champion team

That is where a champion coach makes the difference

Looking forward to the next English lesson zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Anyone who thinks Bennett is not a great coach has rocks in their head. You simply cannot be an average coach in the NRL and survive at the top level.

I remember in the first year coaching the Dragons, similar things were mentioned about Bennett as a coach and he produced results.

There are not many sides who would say no to having him as their coach if any …
 
@Demps said:
I think he is racist, he doesn't like Islanders.
Probably thinks they're lazy trainers.

All the teams he has coached have been pretty white, with a few aboriginals & Fijians or whatever but he doesn't like the Islanders.

Dragons signed Vidot, with him gone.
He's @ the knights and Zeb Taia won't be there next year.
Doesn't chose Junior Sau unless he desperately has to.
Where is Evarn Tuimavave?

Expect Richie Faa'oso, Junior Sau, Likiliki & possibly the Mati-utia boys gone next year.
…Just a little theory I have.

It's a very plausible theory, except for one thing - Wasn't he assistant coach of New Zealand for a while there, Demps? :roll
 
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