We haven't lost any big guns...yet

hybrid_tiger

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There is a lot of anger on here about Ryan and Heighington potentially leaving but I think people need to look at this realistically.

There was talk last year that the club tried to move both of these players on, to Penrith. At the time, I suspect a large portion of our fans (myself included) were more than happy to let them go. It didn't end up happening.

Fast forward a year later and it now appears to be happening. The only real difference this time is that Ryan is coming off a very good season, without a doubt his best in first grade, and so the masses have gone into a fit of rage.

Look at it this way. Beau Ryan is not an elite NRL winger. Far from it. He's a good, solid, dependable player on his day but he is not a match winner. Yes, I admire his effort and enthusiasm and he's had a great year but realistically this is as good as he's going to get.

Look at the best wingers in the game right now and they are all big, strong and fast. They return the ball like a steamtrain. They make massive metres and are capable of breaking the line at any time. Look at Jorge Tafua the other night against the Cowboys. Ryan can't make that kind of impact. Yes, he's safe, he will catch most bombs, he won't make too many errors but he's not the style of player who can have that sort of impact. In other words, he's expendable.

Heighington is the same. Been an average player for a long while now. Again, I admire his enthusiasm and he's been a great servant for the club but he makes minimal impact in both attack and defense. He's a poor defender on our own line and he is regularly dominated in tackles when carting the ball up. With Fulton in the side, it is my opinion that a quality NRL team can't afford to carry two small backrowers. Fulton is a MUCH better defender.

Ryan and Heighington are both solid first graders but they are not star players, they are not match winners, they are not players who must be retained at all costs. These players are the likes of Farah, Marshall, Woods, Galloway, Lawrence. Yes, some of our star players aren't in very good form but they remain class acts and should be kept at all costs. Ryan and Heighington don't fall into this category. Nor do the likes of Ayshford, Moltzen etc.

The club has needed a cleanout for years. It's happening. There may be issues with the way its happened, but so far at least, the players who appear to be off aren't irreplaceable.

The only issue with this cleanup is that the coach doesn't appear to be in the same position as many of his players. It clearly doesn't matter if he performs or not. He won't be moved on. He wasn't between 2007-2009 and he certainly won't be now. That is a problem.

Otherwise, I am all for a cleanout. The real issue here is that Sheens should be gone too. The club may as well use the broom properly and not just clean up the small crumbs.
 
Good Post HT… I think we all need to settle down and wait to see what transpires as the next few weeks roll by.

For most on here, Rugby League is NOT your Life, its an Interest!
 
agree with everything youve stated. i only wish these guys were moved on earlier to be honest. i know they are great servants of the club and atract admiration from all supporters but they are average at best.
 
If Farah is lost, every employee on the WT payroll should be sacked and run out of the game on a rail
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
If Farah is lost, every employee on the WT payroll should be sacked and run out of the game on a rail

Part of what's happening now is to make sure that he stays a tiger for life
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Good post there hybrid! Both are most definitely replaceable and we have talent at the club to do it immediately. To be honest i think a lot of people may have expected the "shake up" to come in a different form than it has. Sure, there is a real strong case for getting rid of Sheens but unless he walks himself, he stays because we can't afford to pay him out.

So for the club, it's about making the most of the next best option for itself. Which is undergoing a bit of a refurbishment of sorts. I would say this though. It's not without its risks. As we all know, had Sheens been sacked, nobody would've thought twice. Nobody would've been surprised. The club does run the risk of going another 12 months without significant improvement. If that happens we are then exposed to the big risk. The risk of our best player, Robbie Farah pulling up stumps here. If that was to happen, well then it would be the complete opposite of our 2005 GF win. Losing Farah would be the clubs biggest low. Why? Because it would be a self inflicted job.

We can't deny the club has had ample chances to get things right again yet. It appeared in 2010-11 we had got things right yet in 2012 it's been a massive step back.The pressure is now on. Anything less than expectation in 2013 will be considered failure and Sheens will gone.
 
@georgebeema said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
If Farah is lost, every employee on the WT payroll should be sacked and run out of the game on a rail

Part of what's happening now is to make sure that he stays a tiger for life
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If this is true then i can live with it
 
I think people are more concerned at the way in which this has been done.
2 clubmen who haven't been amongst the biggest deadweights in the team being chucked out and people who have been horrible all year still being around as far as we are aware.
People saw what happened when we offloaded Gibbs/Fafita and I don't think we want a repeat…..
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Great post, I still believe we have the best kids in the country coming threw. We need speed and power at the Tigers next year!
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One question Hybrid Tiger… If heigno and ryan had of gone last yr, would the club of then been able to hold onto gibbs and fifita???
becouse it is obv to me that this year our front row depth was exposed and if we are offloading these two to buy kite and the young dragons prop then we have just lost out big time... as in my opinion fifita and gibbs are much better options upfront...
 
@Tigerpete said:
Good post there hybrid! Both are most definitely replaceable and we have talent at the club to do it immediately. To be honest i think a lot of people may have expected the "shake up" to come in a different form than it has. Sure, there is a real strong case for getting rid of Sheens but unless he walks himself, he stays because we can't afford to pay him out.

I agree, however, WT administration made so many preventable mistakes it is not funny. You cannot treat players like nuts and bolts, promise one thing than change your mind by 180 degrees. :blush:

@GNR4LIFE said:
If Farah is lost, every employee on the WT payroll should be sacked and run out of the game on a rail

I would extend this to: Marshall, Farah, Woods, Gallaway and probably Fulton, it would be a tragedy if anyone of them is lost.
 
@InBenjiWeTrust said:
@Tigerpete said:
Good post there hybrid! Both are most definitely replaceable and we have talent at the club to do it immediately. To be honest i think a lot of people may have expected the "shake up" to come in a different form than it has. Sure, there is a real strong case for getting rid of Sheens but unless he walks himself, he stays because we can't afford to pay him out.

I agree, however, WT administration made so many preventable mistakes it is not funny. You cannot treat players like nuts and bolts, promise one thing than change your mind by 180 degrees. :blush:

@GNR4LIFE said:
If Farah is lost, every employee on the WT payroll should be sacked and run out of the game on a rail

I would extend this to: Marshall, Farah, Woods, Gallaway and probably Fulton, it would be a tragedy if anyone of them is lost.

add Moltzen and Blair lol
 
I agree with the post. I would think that the 'cleanout ' is over..Moors, Humble, Heighington and Ryan..maybe a few more lower grade people.Of course again as stated by many a sad way to lose great clubmen.

But we need to get rid of the main man..I would think they will pay him out at the end of next year. unless , as I have stated before, a miracle, and we finish in the top 2 or 3..no no that wont happen.
 
@georgebeema said:
@GNR4LIFE said:
If Farah is lost, every employee on the WT payroll should be sacked and run out of the game on a rail

Part of what's happening now is to make sure that he stays a tiger for life
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Thats right. In my opinion, Farah showed this year by his absence how vital he is to the team. When he wasn't there, we had no idea at all. They had a deal to offer Luke Lewis and since then we have lost Ellis, probably Heigno, Ryan and Lote is aparantly going to be on a much smaller deal. That leaves a fair bit of money. I think they will offer Farah a massive contract to stay at the Tigers and leave open the possibility of getting another high quality player at the club in 13 or 14.
 
Good topic HT and good post. I agree with it, not necessarily the way it has come on all of a sudden, but both players are replaceable.
 
Thats right. In my opinion, Farah showed this year by his absence how vital he is to the team. When he wasn't there, we had no idea at all. They had a deal to offer Luke Lewis and since then we have lost Ellis, probably Heigno, Ryan and Lote is aparantly going to be on a much smaller deal. That leaves a fair bit of money. I think they will offer Farah a massive contract to stay at the Tigers and leave open the possibility of getting another high quality player at the club in 13 or 14.

Agree but would add that the only way he will stay (and I doubt very much he will) is if sheens and Benji move on , if not now, but definitely after 2013
 

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