We need a recruitment 'win'...

[TheDaBoss]

Well we r back to blaming madge eh before 2020 season even starts

Seems legit

 

[jirskyr]

This thread is silly.

We don't need any "win". Madge can still build a good team the old-fashioned way, with smart buys, juniors and upskilling the blokes we have.

Not against signing big-name players but it's not the be-all of NRL.

Also, being linked with players is meaningless. You don't know how hard Tigers chased any of the named players, and arguably the list of "players Tigers looked at" is far far larger, because Tigers would be doing their due diligence on any potential player movement in the market. That's the silly part, to be concerned about being linked with Moyland or Tetevano or something as unlikely, left-field and totally speculative as Milford.

 

[earl]

I'm not worried. I think that there is no need to get too worked up. We currently have a decent team and we have some overpaid and really poor contracts for us on our books. Those contracts are starting to expire and we will have more money available in our cap.

I do think we need a marquee player or two for next year but even a player or two a level below that will help.

We will get recruitment wins if we manage our cap well.

 

[earl]

Also, being linked with players is meaningless.

A lot of this is just media dribble. We can also offer a player less than he can earn elsewhere and they go for more money.

We are buying a whole bunch of good juniors and players can come on really quickly. I mean prop is supposedly one of the hardest positions in the game and I'd take Hass who is about 18 over basically every other prop in the comp.

 

[TillLindemann]

I think this year we've had the best recruitment of juniors out of any club in the NRL.

 

[TigerWest]

This thread is silly.

We don't need any "win". Madge can still build a good team the old-fashioned way, with smart buys, juniors and upskilling the blokes we have.

Not against signing big-name players but it's not the be-all of NRL.

Also, being linked with players is meaningless. You don't know how hard Tigers chased any of the named players, and arguably the list of "players Tigers looked at" is far far larger, because Tigers would be doing their due diligence on any potential player movement in the market. That's the silly part, to be concerned about being linked with Moyland or Tetevano or something as unlikely, left-field and totally speculative as Milford.

The only problem is, we have let some of last years side go and we have not really replaced them, as yet.

 

[mike]

I'm not worried. I think that there is no need to get too worked up. We currently have a decent team and we have some overpaid and really poor contracts for us on our books. Those contracts are starting to expire and we will have more money available in our cap.

I do think we need a marquee player or two for next year but even a player or two a level below that will help.

We will get recruitment wins if we manage our cap well.

I agree @Earl We are only 2 or 3 signings away from being a true force. A marquee player would help but not essential. I think we have recruited pretty smart so far. Re-signings of existing talent and poaching a few good young potentials from other clubs. If LM falls through it won’t be the end of our chances for 2020. Other signings will be made to fill the void. I think what is equally important is how we develop the players we have and get them to be the best they can be. This is were I think Madge can show his true worth.

 

[gallagher]

How quickly some have forgotten the days of Go/ Taylor.
If you can't see the difference between our club then and now you never will.

Im talking about player managers and players. If they don't see it we're screwed.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Getting off LM for a bit and focusing on the bigger picture, we really do need a 'win' somewhere in terms of recruiting.

I love Madge, but it is well known Crowe and Richardson did most of Souths recruitment.

At this stage we have targeted
Arrow
Lomax
Mitchell
Tetevano
Brimson
Leulia
Moylan
Milford
(All confirmed by the Pom, coach or ceo)

**Updated list: we missed un Sami and Capewell also.**

And have landed none so far officially...

Throw in DWZ last season and it is fair to say there is a developing trend. Throw in also our best player / recruit for 2018 wanted out.

We need to land one big fish, and hopefully others will follow. Madge has a rep as someone who flogs them and is strict, positive attributes in our eyes....but not always from a player's perspective.

It is rare for a club to have a ton of cap space and not land anyone. The next week or two will say a lot about how player's perceive us.

Yes we do.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Sure but at the right price.

Issue when everyone knows you have money and need players = some will ask for more than we want to pay = won’t come.

 

[ElleryHanley]

This thread is silly.

We don't need any "win". Madge can still build a good team the old-fashioned way, with smart buys, juniors and upskilling the blokes we have.

Not against signing big-name players but it's not the be-all of NRL.

Also, being linked with players is meaningless. You don't know how hard Tigers chased any of the named players, and arguably the list of "players Tigers looked at" is far far larger, because Tigers would be doing their due diligence on any potential player movement in the market. That's the silly part, to be concerned about being linked with Moyland or Tetevano or something as unlikely, left-field and totally speculative as Milford.

It is not "silly" mate...the new CEO has come out and said anything short of the top 8 next season is a massive fail.

Building through kids takes years...and we have tried that multiple times, with most leaving us once they reached their peaks.

If we are going to make the finals, we need to land a couple of big names / strike weapons.

I'd be interested in how you think the current squad without a big signing is going to possibly make the finals next season?

 

[mike]

This thread is silly.

We don't need any "win". Madge can still build a good team the old-fashioned way, with smart buys, juniors and upskilling the blokes we have.

Not against signing big-name players but it's not the be-all of NRL.

Also, being linked with players is meaningless. You don't know how hard Tigers chased any of the named players, and arguably the list of "players Tigers looked at" is far far larger, because Tigers would be doing their due diligence on any potential player movement in the market. That's the silly part, to be concerned about being linked with Moyland or Tetevano or something as unlikely, left-field and totally speculative as Milford.

It is not "silly" mate...the new CEO has come out and said anything short of the top 8 next season is a massive fail.

Building through kids takes years...and we have tried that multiple times, with most leaving us once they reached their peaks.

If we are going to make the finals, we need to land a couple of big names / strike weapons.

I'd be interested in how you think the current squad without a big signing is going to possibly make the finals next season?

Just a small correction. It was the new Chairman not the current CEO that made the statement about anything less than top 8 will be a failure. I agree with him. In 2020 anything less than top 8 will be considered a failure.

 

[ElleryHanley]

This thread is silly.

We don't need any "win". Madge can still build a good team the old-fashioned way, with smart buys, juniors and upskilling the blokes we have.

Not against signing big-name players but it's not the be-all of NRL.

Also, being linked with players is meaningless. You don't know how hard Tigers chased any of the named players, and arguably the list of "players Tigers looked at" is far far larger, because Tigers would be doing their due diligence on any potential player movement in the market. That's the silly part, to be concerned about being linked with Moyland or Tetevano or something as unlikely, left-field and totally speculative as Milford.

It is not "silly" mate...the new CEO has come out and said anything short of the top 8 next season is a massive fail.

Building through kids takes years...and we have tried that multiple times, with most leaving us once they reached their peaks.

If we are going to make the finals, we need to land a couple of big names / strike weapons.

I'd be interested in how you think the current squad without a big signing is going to possibly make the finals next season?

Just a small correction. It was the new Chairman not the current CEO that made the statement about anything less than top 8 will be a failure. I agree with him. In 2020 anything less than top 8 will be considered a failure.

Thanks for the correction, and yes, that is right. It was the chair.


With this squad, IF we add no rep level players...honestly, you would expect a finals spot?

We failed last year and have lost our best forward by a mile, pus Robbie, Esan and Liddle.

And gained no one who will contribute much.

Not trying to sound negative, but the squad as it stands today will struggle to be competitive most weeks. Madge did a masterful job getting them to 9th last year. Being competitive with this current squad in 2020 would be a bloody good effort.

Add in LM, Lomax and a gun forward and, yes, finals min.

But, as it stands today, competitive each week would be a hell of a job.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

@ElleryHanley I thought there were rules in place for severely back loaded contracts. Because of what Hasler did to the Dogs and Manly. Also the reason that went pear shaped was Packer was supposed to go west , and the riff backed out at the 11th hour .

 

[ElleryHanley]

@ElleryHanley I thought there were rules in place for severely back loaded contracts. Because of what Hasler did to the Dogs and Manly. Also the reason that went pear shaped was Packer was supposed to go west , and the riff backed out at the 11th hour .

Severely, yes.

But not for general upgrades.

It is worth noting that DWZ was recently "extended" by the Dogs, which literally means they upgraded him with their extra cap space next season.

I don't want to make this a DWZ thread as he was no loss imo. However, it 'did' say something that he would rather have joined the last placed team and Dean Pay than us.

 

[Telltails]

Without rehashing over again past mistakes - stability and good financial management are new to this club it will take a little time for players and managers to get their heads around that. In the meantime we are quietly suring up young talent that other clubs can't afford to keep and retaining the players who we want to lead them.

 

[Spacecub]

iam starting to wonder if madge has any pulling power at all, 1st he let DWZ GO TO THE DOGS yet he was the one who gave him his start with the NZ TEAM. NOW we have missed tetevano to the panthers, and again it was madge who gave him a start in the NZ team. u would think he would have had the inside running on both players. lomax was another who was said to be high on our want list yet he looks like signing with the knights. it just does not look like madge can pull a beer never mind pull some class players.

Unfortunately I tend to agree with you, hate to say it but ivan has more appeal than Maguire

 

[ElleryHanley]

Without rehashing over again past mistakes - stability and good financial management are new to this club it will take a little time for players and managers to get their heads around that. In the meantime we are quietly suring up young talent that other clubs can't afford to keep and retaining the players who we want to lead them.

If we can't land a marquee, then I agree with that approach.

But I think that approach also needs a clear "look, this is a long term project...it will take time" message, rather than "finals or failure" type rhetoric.

 

[Telltails]

iam starting to wonder if madge has any pulling power at all, 1st he let DWZ GO TO THE DOGS yet he was the one who gave him his start with the NZ TEAM. NOW we have missed tetevano to the panthers, and again it was madge who gave him a start in the NZ team. u would think he would have had the inside running on both players. lomax was another who was said to be high on our want list yet he looks like signing with the knights. it just does not look like madge can pull a beer never mind pull some class players.

Unfortunately I tend to agree with you, hate to say it but ivan has more appeal than Maguire

The only appeal Cleary had was throwing the clubs money at players who were not worth it, and didn't retain the ones we wanted to keep - although I will grant that he had little time to turn things around at that point.

 

[Tiger_2795]

It was impossible for us to afford DWZ at the time and he needed to sign somewhere before the June 30 deadline or was stuck at Penrith, Bulldogs became his only option. Madge had no choice but to ‘let’ them sign him