Wests Tigers 2016...The winning formula..

[stevetiger]

Totally agree. By the way I'm selling some magic fairy dust that I can give you a really special price on.

If Taylor sticks to the Taylor ball game plan it will be the end of his career a the Wests Tigers and hopefully he will be terminated early. If he puts a team on the park that plays positive footy we have a chance this year and Taylor may even get a contract renewal.

I don't think he is so stupid to actually believe the line that you are selling. If he is good riddance.

Its a bit hard to get them to play positive football if they have little knowledge of the NRL gameplans in defence and attack ..JT is trying to show a very youthfull group of players what NRL is all about…I really cant understand your viciousness toward people on the forum that are trying to explain it to you.As supercoach said earlier it takes a lot of time and hard work to get it right..

I can't understand your delusional theories on JT and his game plans last year. The truth is he had a terrible year and came up with terrible game plans for a significant period of the year.

I'm hopeful he has learnt from his mistakes and doesn't make those mistakes again.

Its like any leadership role , eventually you need to find out your employees strength /weaknesses and limitations are

Defensively they needed to be tested to see what they could / couldn't achieve

sometimes they can prove more hardy and handle stuff you thought was totally beyond them

I accept that Taylor stuffed it last year but he was learning. I get it. It's also painfully obvious that it wasn't about testing the players or being part of a longer term plan. Taylor stuffed up. It happens and it's not the end of the world.

See what a lot of people fail to understand is that "Taylorball" was never going to be a long term strategy. So we won't be sticking to it, it was never intended to be employed long term.

Yep. Of course. Taylor deliberately lost games because it was good for us and good for his coaching career.

In all seriousness let's just all pray that Taylor has more sense than some of the comments that have been used to justify "Taylorball".

 

[Geo]

Yeah I don't think the players had much to do with us losing games….You can have the greatest game plans in the world...if you miss over 50 tackles a game and complete at often less than 60%..get dominated in the ruck and end up on the wrong end of the penalty count more often than not....Game plans don't mean much...

 

[happy_tiger]

Yeah I don't think the players had much to do with us losing games….You can have the greatest game plans in the world...if you miss over 50 tackles a game and complete at often less than 60%..get dominated in the ruck and end up on the wrong end of the penalty count more often than not....Game plans don't mean much...

If I remember correctly we won every game we completed at over 80% ??

Funny that

So 13 games where we complete at 80% means we might be semi final bound

 

[innsaneink]

You clearly dont get it steve….youre on your own here..Of course RL is about attack and defense, but its pointless being able to attack if you cant defend....the defense comes first

Your theory is like building a house....walls and a roof....youre building the roof first

 

[doublesonthemain]

Clearly Steve you don't seem to grasp the idea of solid defensive structure…

No - I get it completely. It is you and some others who obviously don't understand that you need to win football games.

I have never said we don't need to play good defence. I've said it is obvious that you cannot play Taylorball because it is losing footy.

I have proof due to the position on the ladder that we were at last year. You have opinions and spin.

Our attack was worse in 2013 and 2104 so not sure the attcking problems are all JT's fault. And over the previous 9 seasons, before 2015 and post 2005, we actually had a better attacking record 7 times (albeit not by much in a few of those years) but we managed to play in the finals only twice in that period. We have the worse record at making the finals these past 15 years, our attack has been okay for the majority of that time but not once have we been in the top 4 for defence. There is obviously a correlation between the lack of finals appearances and inability to grind out tough wins.

 

[happy_tiger]

You clearly dont get it steve….youre on your own here..Of course RL is about attack and defense, but its pointless being able to attack if you cant defend....the defense comes first

Your theory is like building a house....walls and a roof....youre building the roof first

I'm not even sure that Steve wants a roof Ink

Just pretty pictures and nice venetian blinds everywhere , where the bloody hell he will hang them is anyone's guess

 

[hobbo]

You clearly dont get it steve….youre on your own here..Of course RL is about attack and defense, but its pointless being able to attack if you cant defend....the defense comes first

Your theory is like building a house....walls and a roof....youre building the roof first

I'm not even sure that Steve wants a roof Ink

Just pretty pictures and nice venetian blinds everywhere , where the bloody hell he will hang them is anyone's guess

What Steve is saying is that Taylors not a coaches sphincter and Taylor wasted half of last year with his enept game plans .
Fancy telling Farah to look elsewhere knowing they had no coin to pay him out …then backing down and saying sorry ...
Says it all really about Taylor ( and the management)
I'm still getting flashbacks over the "cowboys game "

 

[happy_tiger]

You clearly dont get it steve….youre on your own here..Of course RL is about attack and defense, but its pointless being able to attack if you cant defend....the defense comes first

Your theory is like building a house....walls and a roof....youre building the roof first

I'm not even sure that Steve wants a roof Ink

Just pretty pictures and nice venetian blinds everywhere , where the bloody hell he will hang them is anyone's guess

What Steve is saying is that Taylors not a coaches sphincter and Taylor wasted half of last year with his enept game plans .
Fancy telling Farah to look elsewhere knowing they had no coin to pay him out …then backing down and saying sorry ...
Says it all really about Taylor ( and the management)
I'm still getting flashbacks over the "cowboys game "

We just can't paint over it can we Hobbo , even with all that mission brown paint you've got

I hear there is a job coming up where someone wants the mission brown everywhere walls, floor ceiling , even their car

 

[hobbo]

You clearly dont get it steve….youre on your own here..Of course RL is about attack and defense, but its pointless being able to attack if you cant defend....the defense comes first

Your theory is like building a house....walls and a roof....youre building the roof first

I'm not even sure that Steve wants a roof Ink

Just pretty pictures and nice venetian blinds everywhere , where the bloody hell he will hang them is anyone's guess

What Steve is saying is that Taylors not a coaches sphincter and Taylor wasted half of last year with his enept game plans .
Fancy telling Farah to look elsewhere knowing they had no coin to pay him out …then backing down and saying sorry ...
Says it all really about Taylor ( and the management)
I'm still getting flashbacks over the "cowboys game "

We just can't paint over it can we Hobbo , even with all that mission brown paint you've got

I hear there is a job coming up where someone wants the mission brown everywhere walls, floor ceiling , even their car

Cash only if Its your place !

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm not even sure that Steve wants a roof Ink

Just pretty pictures and nice venetian blinds everywhere , where the bloody hell he will hang them is anyone's guess

What Steve is saying is that Taylors not a coaches sphincter and Taylor wasted half of last year with his enept game plans .
Fancy telling Farah to look elsewhere knowing they had no coin to pay him out …then backing down and saying sorry ...
Says it all really about Taylor ( and the management)
I'm still getting flashbacks over the "cowboys game "

We just can't paint over it can we Hobbo , even with all that mission brown paint you've got

I hear there is a job coming up where someone wants the mission brown everywhere walls, floor ceiling , even their car

Cash only if Its your place !

I thought you said my place was pro bono

And getting back to Taylor , I think we will see some changes that some are happy with

Whether it is enough to save his job , that is another matter

Everyone will be happy when Toovey takes over anyway , forget Cleary

 

[innsaneink]

haha mission brown…was the bees knees thirty years back

 

[hobbo]

What Steve is saying is that Taylors not a coaches sphincter and Taylor wasted half of last year with his enept game plans .
Fancy telling Farah to look elsewhere knowing they had no coin to pay him out …then backing down and saying sorry ...
Says it all really about Taylor ( and the management)
I'm still getting flashbacks over the "cowboys game "

We just can't paint over it can we Hobbo , even with all that mission brown paint you've got

I hear there is a job coming up where someone wants the mission brown everywhere walls, floor ceiling , even their car

Cash only if Its your place !

I thought you said my place was pro bono

And getting back to Taylor , I think we will see some changes that some are happy with

Whether it is enough to save his job , that is another matter

Everyone will be happy when Toovey takes over anyway , forget Cleary

Too much prep involved to be pro bono mate , would love Toovey , he'd have to be more than desperate to come here !

 

[happy_tiger]

haha mission brown…was the bees knees thirty years back

Many years ago I had a Forestry job and all those favourite old colours adorned my work uniforms

Scrub Gum Green ,Gum Leaf Green and Mission Brown , oh the memories :smiley:

Taylor's wife has a renovating business , wonder if she gets retro with the old paint colours :laughing:

 

[cochise]

Its a bit hard to get them to play positive football if they have little knowledge of the NRL gameplans in defence and attack ..JT is trying to show a very youthfull group of players what NRL is all about…I really cant understand your viciousness toward people on the forum that are trying to explain it to you.As supercoach said earlier it takes a lot of time and hard work to get it right..

I can't understand your delusional theories on JT and his game plans last year. The truth is he had a terrible year and came up with terrible game plans for a significant period of the year.

I'm hopeful he has learnt from his mistakes and doesn't make those mistakes again.

Its like any leadership role , eventually you need to find out your employees strength /weaknesses and limitations are

Defensively they needed to be tested to see what they could / couldn't achieve

sometimes they can prove more hardy and handle stuff you thought was totally beyond them

I accept that Taylor stuffed it last year but he was learning. I get it. It's also painfully obvious that it wasn't about testing the players or being part of a longer term plan. Taylor stuffed up. It happens and it's not the end of the world.

See what a lot of people fail to understand is that "Taylorball" was never going to be a long term strategy. So we won't be sticking to it, it was never intended to be employed long term.

Yep. Of course. Taylor deliberately lost games because it was good for us and good for his coaching career.

In all seriousness let's just all pray that Taylor has more sense than some of the comments that have been used to justify "Taylorball".

Where did I state he purposely lost games? What if he felt the best way to have the team in the best place moving forward was to spend 6 months working on the defense of the team?

I do believe that the people we have in place at the moment are looking at the long term health of the club. Why else would we be looking at cleaning up the backloaded contracts.

 

[stevetiger]

Where did I state he purposely lost games? What if he felt the best way to have the team in the best place moving forward was to spend 6 months working on the defense of the team?

I do believe that the people we have in place at the moment are looking at the long term health of the club. Why else would we be looking at cleaning up the backloaded contracts.

That is what you and others are basically stating. Its complete palava of course. He just stuffed up.

I'm hopeful that he has learned his lesson and will send the team out to win games which obviously includes playing defence.

 

[supercoach]

Taylor stuffed up last year???Made a few mistakes maybe but stuffed up I don't think so. Some people seem to have a pretty simplistic view how the game is played. Go out there throw the ball around, bit of Teddy magic, make a few tackles and go into the shed and sing the club song. Not that simple I am afraid, its a very hard slog doing all the drills getting your structures in place,putting the right people in the right place within your structure.

As said before most these kids know how to attack when they get to NRL level, because u20s and school boy stuff is all about attack, but the extreme pressure of the defensive requirements is a whole new ball game. As said before your defence is where you start off and when that is in order or at least on the improve you start to look at other parts of the game.

You look at some of the very good sides they get all there momentum out of there defence, its sets the platform for there go forward and it significantly tires the opposition.

The way I see it our defence and kicking game are still our biggest concern

 

[TrueTiger]

Where did I state he purposely lost games? What if he felt the best way to have the team in the best place moving forward was to spend 6 months working on the defense of the team?

I do believe that the people we have in place at the moment are looking at the long term health of the club. Why else would we be looking at cleaning up the backloaded contracts.

That is what you and others are basically stating. Its complete palava of course. He just stuffed up.

I'm hopeful that he has learned his lesson and will send the team out to win games which obviously includes playing defence.

Steve,remember the five hit ups and a bomb,Taylor ball,other clubs use it and are very good at it because they understand about a defensive structure and how to implement it.Our young guys had no real idea of implementing an NRL defensive structure because they DIDNT know it..Taylor was teaching them what it will be like to go into a game and play to a defensive structure,not just attack and hope they can score a try..Obviously you just have it in your mind to hate on Taylor because you dislike him and his coaching methods,you can't build a strong house if you have a weak foundation,for to long now we have had a weak defensive structure and Taylor is trying to correct it so our team can be competitive in attack and defense,don't forget some of our younger players were like turn styles when it came to tackling,this year because of Taylor their techniques for tackling may improve..

 

[stevetiger]

Where did I state he purposely lost games? What if he felt the best way to have the team in the best place moving forward was to spend 6 months working on the defense of the team?

I do believe that the people we have in place at the moment are looking at the long term health of the club. Why else would we be looking at cleaning up the backloaded contracts.

That is what you and others are basically stating. Its complete palava of course. He just stuffed up.

I'm hopeful that he has learned his lesson and will send the team out to win games which obviously includes playing defence.

Steve,remember the five hit ups and a bomb,Taylor ball,other clubs use it and are very good at it because they understand about a defensive structure and how to implement it.Our young guys had no real idea of implementing an NRL defensive structure because they DIDNT know it..Taylor was teaching them what it will be like to go into a game and play to a defensive structure,not just attack and hope they can score a try..Obviously you just have it in your mind to hate on Taylor because you dislike him and his coaching methods,you can't build a strong house if you have a weak foundation,for to long now we have had a weak defensive structure and Taylor is trying to correct it so our team can be competitive in attack and defense,don't forget some of our younger players were like turn styles when it came to tackling,this year because of Taylor their techniques for tackling may improve..

I find this completely delusional. It has nothing at all to do with hating on Taylor either. I want him to be successful.

I love all the excuses that are put up. You have to learn a defensive structure and therefore you can't attack. It was all about teaching them defence. You need a solid foundation. Its all platitudes that are meaningless. If any of this is true why didn't the defense improve ?

 

[Pokies]

Winning is the key. Do enough of that and it keeps all parties happy (including this forum)

Doesn't matter to me if the score ends up 40-38 or 4-2\. The answer is did we win or lose. At the end of the season the wins is what as a club we are judged on. Get enough and its finals time.
How we got the wins are irrelevant at that point, let the losers in the bottom 8 come up with the excuses - refs, injuries, bad luck blah blah blah.

The good teams can win either ugly or pretty and then move straight onto the following week and do it again without any fuss. Last year we did not win near often enough no matter how you cut up stats to try and prove arguments.

As for game plans and strategies well IMO you try and create a game plan that allows you to play to your strengths and if possible attack opponents weaknesses. Find Attacking and Defensive patterns that work for the playing group that we have at our disposal.
Whatever puts us in the best position to win football games.

 

[Tigermama]

Winning is the key. Do enough of that and it keeps all parties happy (including this forum)

Doesn't matter to me if the score ends up 40-38 or 4-2\. The answer is did we win or lose. At the end of the season the wins is what as a club we are judged on. Get enough and its finals time.
How we got the wins are irrelevant at that point, let the losers in the bottom 8 come up with the excuses - refs, injuries, bad luck blah blah blah.

The good teams can win either ugly or pretty and then move straight onto the following week and do it again without any fuss. Last year we did not win near often enough no matter how you cut up stats to try and prove arguments.

As for game plans and strategies well IMO you try and create a game plan that allows you to play to your strengths and if possible attack opponents weaknesses. Find Attacking and Defensive patterns that work for the playing group that we have at our disposal.
Whatever puts us in the best position to win football games.

I'm with you on this one Pokies. As for game plans and strategies, lets hope JT has some winning ones up his sleeve. Didn't see too many last season :frowning: