Wests Tigers Culture

[cochise]

There’s truth in much of what is being said here. I work for a company that has a good culture. I’ve been there 13 years as a result. It comes from leadership and values that are aligned to a purpose that defines why we are in business. It puts a focus on its people and what matters most to its customers. A guy by the name of Simon Sinek said, “People don’t buy what you do. They buy why you do it”.

So what is the Tigers purpose? Why are Tigers fans so loyal? Clearly we aren’t all buying what the club is doing at the moment but stay loyal for why we are doing it. Finally we have leadership that is serious about a vision. Culture takes time to make and break. We just need to break the culture we have that is not delivering success and create an environment that allows a culture of success to develop. A huge task that is helped when winning.

Making a connection builds loyalty. You can choose a work environment based on its " culture" but following a footy team is emotive and even though you can identify all the club's weakness's breaking that connection is not as easy.

Most companies would love the loyalty that people develop for their sporting teams. It is usually a lifelong relationship.

 

[jirskyr]

Are you talking about the stuff in yoghurt?

Beat me to it Dad

 

[BAGNF05]

There is plenty of evidence that our culture is still poor, once again we have failed to make the finals, we have failed in the big moments during games, we have lost to the teams below us, we are inconsistent, the leaks from the playing group has started once again, we have high paid players who don’thave a go.

I don't think that is a function of culture. It is more a reflection of lack of talent in the squad.

If we used making the semis as the criterion then a team like the Sharks must have a great culture.

The Sharks in recent times have been drug cheats; salary cap cheats; their CEO was busted for possession of drugs; their coach was suspended for doping his players and cheated while he was suspended; and, their young star has been rubbed out for using performance enhancing drugs.

But they have a good culture because they have won a premiership and consistently make the semis.

You could ask ten different people what culture means and you would probably get ten different answers. The truth is we just want success on.the field and if people want to equate thay to good culture so be it. But I can guarantee the Roosters are have a lot more than culture going on behind their success.

It’s a crisp culture at the Roosters, bundled up and handed out in little brown paper bags, culture that thrives on golf courses and in Maccas car parks

 

[happy_tiger]

New thread to discuss this issue as it is take current threads off topic

Are you saying we are the Culture Club ......

 

[cochise]

New thread to discuss this issue as it is take current threads off topic

Are you saying we are the Culture Club ......

Who is Boy George?

 

[happy_tiger]

New thread to discuss this issue as it is take current threads off topic

Are you saying we are the Culture Club ......

Who is Boy George?

He is a comin comin comin comin comin soon very soon very soon ...I'm sorry .......I'll go now

 

[Tiger_Steve]

New thread to discuss this issue as it is take current threads off topic

Are you saying we are the Culture Club ......

Who is Boy George?

He is a comin comin comin comin comin soon very soon very soon ...I'm sorry .......I'll go now

Not sure what you’re thinking but you sure as heck shouldn’t be typing while you’re thinking it!!?

 

[happy_tiger]

New thread to discuss this issue as it is take current threads off topic

Are you saying we are the Culture Club ......

Who is Boy George?

He is a comin comin comin comin comin soon very soon very soon ...I'm sorry .......I'll go now

Not sure what you’re thinking but you sure as heck shouldn’t be typing while you’re thinking it!!?

Just a play with words brother love .....Karma Charmeleon

 

[TSupps05]

What gain do players get from leaking stuff to the media??

Like do they get money or some form of an incentive cause i don't see why they would bother unless they are real pricks

 

[cochise]

What gain do players get from leaking stuff to the media??

Like do they get money or some form of an incentive cause i don't see why they would bother unless they are real pricks

Depends on the situation, but as an example if you are unhappy with a coach it could be used to paint them in a negative light and destabilise their tenure.

 

[Needaname]

Speaking of culture and leaks, can anyone confirm whether a recently departed player was the player that leaked the egg shells comment?

 

[Russell]

Buzz word. Like game management. Team Culture means someone trying to sound important but really saying nothing. Teams that win have a good Culture. Teams that lose more often have a bad Culture.

Probably right. But some clubs are winners and some are perennial losers, call it whatever, but we are lacking in it.

I have a background of working on strategic planning and cultural change in schools. Culture is typically what you stand for as an organisation and it is embedded in all your processes and practices. We have allowed the players to develop that for us instead of it being led by the organisation.

I am a recently retired secondary school principal so I also understand the process of values clarification and how those AGREED statements of "values" by all stakeholders are the framework upon which a club "culture" is developed and embedded.

Which brings me to Maguire's regular comments about what "we" are trying to build here (at WT). Who, exactly is "we", because I've never been asked?

We are the employers and employees of the club - not supporters or fans because they should not be asked.

 

[cochise]

Buzz word. Like game management. Team Culture means someone trying to sound important but really saying nothing. Teams that win have a good Culture. Teams that lose more often have a bad Culture.

Probably right. But some clubs are winners and some are perennial losers, call it whatever, but we are lacking in it.

I have a background of working on strategic planning and cultural change in schools. Culture is typically what you stand for as an organisation and it is embedded in all your processes and practices. We have allowed the players to develop that for us instead of it being led by the organisation.

I am a recently retired secondary school principal so I also understand the process of values clarification and how those AGREED statements of "values" by all stakeholders are the framework upon which a club "culture" is developed and embedded.

Which brings me to Maguire's regular comments about what "we" are trying to build here (at WT). Who, exactly is "we", because I've never been asked?

We are the employers and employees of the club - not supporters or fans because they should not be asked.

Actually, customer, consumers and clients are stakeholders that should be involved in the planning process is some form. Otherwise you have no idea of the needs of one of your most critical stakeholders.

 

[Russell]

Buzz word. Like game management. Team Culture means someone trying to sound important but really saying nothing. Teams that win have a good Culture. Teams that lose more often have a bad Culture.

Probably right. But some clubs are winners and some are perennial losers, call it whatever, but we are lacking in it.

I have a background of working on strategic planning and cultural change in schools. Culture is typically what you stand for as an organisation and it is embedded in all your processes and practices. We have allowed the players to develop that for us instead of it being led by the organisation.

I am a recently retired secondary school principal so I also understand the process of values clarification and how those AGREED statements of "values" by all stakeholders are the framework upon which a club "culture" is developed and embedded.

Which brings me to Maguire's regular comments about what "we" are trying to build here (at WT). Who, exactly is "we", because I've never been asked?

We are the employers and employees of the club - not supporters or fans because they should not be asked.

Actually, customer, consumers and clients are stakeholders that should be involved in the planning process is some form. Otherwise you have no idea of the needs of one of your most critical stakeholders.

Think you are wrong - the owners of the club (Wests Ashfield) put the money in and decide how they wish to proceed to win the premiership. i.e. Select the board, the CEO, Admin staff, Coaches, approve the players to purchase etc.

Don't know any NRL club that asks the supporters how they should proceed.

The supporters and members if they like what the club is doing in various ways - decide to support the club or not.

That's my take anyway.

 

[cochise]

Buzz word. Like game management. Team Culture means someone trying to sound important but really saying nothing. Teams that win have a good Culture. Teams that lose more often have a bad Culture.

Probably right. But some clubs are winners and some are perennial losers, call it whatever, but we are lacking in it.

I have a background of working on strategic planning and cultural change in schools. Culture is typically what you stand for as an organisation and it is embedded in all your processes and practices. We have allowed the players to develop that for us instead of it being led by the organisation.

I am a recently retired secondary school principal so I also understand the process of values clarification and how those AGREED statements of "values" by all stakeholders are the framework upon which a club "culture" is developed and embedded.

Which brings me to Maguire's regular comments about what "we" are trying to build here (at WT). Who, exactly is "we", because I've never been asked?

We are the employers and employees of the club - not supporters or fans because they should not be asked.

Actually, customer, consumers and clients are stakeholders that should be involved in the planning process is some form. Otherwise you have no idea of the needs of one of your most critical stakeholders.

Think you are wrong - the owners of the club (Wests Ashfield) put the money in and decide how they wish to proceed to win the premiership. i.e. Select the board, the CEO, Admin staff, Coaches, approve the players to purchase etc.

Don't know any NRL club that asks the supporters how they should proceed.

The supporters and members if they like what the club is doing in various ways - decide to support the club or not.

That's my take anyway.

That is changing with more and more clubs looking to be run like a business. As these businesses start to become more and more reliant on memberships as a revenue stream, having an idea on how to maintain membership revenue will become more and more important.

I know of one club already that has the goal of membership revenue matching the revenue from the NRL grant, for a club with that goal it is critically important for them to know how engage its supporter base and convert them to memberships and maintain that engagement during less successful periods as well.

 

[the_third]

Um. Winning would be a good start.

Just set up the club to have long term success. Ie win.

WIN

 

[eyewondertwo]

Team culture stems from the coach's plans(vision) and their implemented standards and principals - when the leadership group are effective in their roles it helps build unity/solidarity and response management within the playing group, and therefore produces success in their performances.
With an overwhelming amount of young talent and leaders who lack the required temperament or agility - Mbye and Benji, who no offence hinders team cohesion - plus a pack with no leader. It's easy to see why we're struggling in some aspects, especially with our forward pack.

Cultural issues are only standing out for us - and the media - like a sore thumb because we're going through a transition period, with a roster including some of Ivan's recruits and no apparent leaders.
Plus you also need to consider the amount of coaches we've had and how this has also contributed.

Ohhh, Lauren, you lost me at "standards and principals". I asume you meant "principles"?

Things like that stand out for me "like a sore thumb" and influence how I interpret and accept the message.

And, I think it influences the performance and attitude of the team if the coach and highest profile players have nothing more than "slogans" and little attention to detail.

Hence, why I support 100% Maguire and the club's decision to end the Benji career here in 2020.

My bad, as a teacher guess I see and write the word principal too much I guess ??

I'ts not the school we hate,its the principle of the thing.

 

[The_Patriot]

The key to culture is coaching consistency. We haven't had it

We are on the right track and culture is the best it has been in years but still a long way to go.

 

[crazycat]

The key to culture is coaching consistency. We haven't had it

We are on the right track and culture is the best it has been in years but still a long way to go.

Dead set right.
We are stronger this year with a worse roster. Well ok maybe better backs but weaker forward pack.
We need a sackload of GRIT and I see that building in our team.

 

[Tcat]

The club’s culture can be defined by the way people behave within the club. It consist of values established by the leadership of the club and is developed through the shaping players, staff and volunteers behaviours, perceptions and understanding of what is expected of them.

There are areas of the club’s culture that is broken. The issue with Packer, Reynolds and MCK is an outwards expression of the club’s culture that needs strengthening. The behaviour is unacceptable and the response by the club is also unacceptable.

Club culture can change quite quickly then. Look at Penriths poor culture through the treatment of women, poaching of contracted coaches and disregard for strict laws during COVID just to name a few. All gets forgotten quite quickly with the media frothing at how happy the club is, Clearys being gods and favourites to win this year. Culture has various aspects to it, culture driven within the club and club culture (whether good or bad) driven by the media to sell news stories. You win you have good culture, you loose the club's a cultural mess (even though we beat Manly, you'd think we lost based on the media's reaction). Whatever, let's just win.