Wests Tigers threaten to stop rugby league junior production

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Tedesco-less Wests Tigers threaten to stop rugby league junior production line

Date May 27, 2014 - 9:24PM
Adrian Proszenko
Chief Rugby League Reporter

Wests Tigers have threatened to stop developing players if the NRL will not compensate them for the loss of home-grown talent like Canberra-bound fullback James Tedesco.

Tedesco will earn almost as much in three years in the nation's capital as he could if he had accepted a four-year deal to stay put after signing a deal worth about $2 million.

Canberra's spending spree may not be over, with the Green Machine also chasing Canterbury skipper Michael Ennis. However the Raiders missed out on another of their targets when New Zealand forward Kevin Proctor re-signed with the Melbourne Storm on a four-year deal.

Ironically, Camden junior Tedesco has been picked up by a club that has complained vocally about rivals plundering its best home-grown products.

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The Tigers have some of the best young junior talent in the game but chief executive Grant Mayer warned they could not afford to keep investing in grassroots football if they were simply developing players for rivals to pick off.

"The reality is James will play against us next year and when he makes his Canberra debut we get nothing from that after spending money on him for eight years," Mayer said.

"For us, that's not sustainable. If we're going to continue being one of four or five clubs developing players over many years, the NRL has to seriously consider how they assist those developing clubs. At the end of the day, if 25 per cent of the 16 teams are doing all the development, we are the ones losing that money.

"Development costs could be anywhere between $600,000 and a million a year, and we don't get any return for that apart from feeling nice about the fact we develop players."

Mayer said it was not a case of "sour grapes" and pointed to the fact the joint-venture outfit recently retained seven of the eight local juniors it had produced on long-term contracts. Rather than asking for salary cap dispensation, the premiership-winning administrator said the NRL should offer a club that loses a player it developed to a rival a fee – say, $50,000 if he plays first grade, $75,000 for Origin and $100,000 for Test representation. That money would then be reinvested into grassroots and development, which could benefit the game as a whole.

"Canberra have been bitten by this a number of times in the past decade; this is not us against Canberra," he said.

"We need to address it because 12 other clubs are looking at our juniors, Canberra's juniors and Penrith's juniors, and saying, 'I want to have a crack at that.'

"Canberra, Wests Tigers and the other developing clubs need to go into the NRL as a group and get their development thoughts going forward.

"Otherwise we, like Canberra, may decide to stop doing it. If clubs stop doing that altogether, the game as a whole will suffer."

Tedesco has been plagued by a series of injuries, but has emerged as a game-breaker after forging a strong partnership with halfback Luke Brooks. After missing out on Anthony Milford, the Raiders now have another rising No.1.

Tedesco broke the news to his teammates on Tuesday morning.

''It wasn't easy to tell the guys, they are a great group of players, and close friends of mine,'' Tedesco said.

''I'm fully committed to Wests Tigers for the remainder of the 2014 season and can't wait to get back onto the field and join my teammates."
 
Great to see he's straight out their saying what needs to be said, getting this conversation going. This needs to be the next focus of NRL reform, especially given it seems not a lot can/will be done about the TPA inequities.
 
@willow said:
Tedesco will earn almost as much in three years in the nation's capital as he could if he had accepted a four-year deal to stay put after signing a deal worth about $2 million.

This to me is the key point. I have no respect for the guy at all. We put a good offer on the table and he said I want the most $ without thinking about the club and the support he has been given as well as the fans.

The NRL can't do any thing about this because it comes down to character. Its not the NRL's fault. Its not the clubs fault. It is the character of James Tedesco.

In some ways I am glad he is gone because I think the club deserves better.
 
While I agree with Mayer's sentiments regarding compensation, I don't agree with stopping development. If we stop developing players it affects us in a few ways:

- Local kids have no pathway to the WT through their area, which drive junior numbers in our catchment areas down;
- We become less competitive, junior development is a huge part of our recruitment policy as we cannot afford to draw big money players to the club as we don't have the same TPA power that powerhouse clubs have;
- The game suffers on a whole.
 
@stevetiger said:
@willow said:
Tedesco will earn almost as much in three years in the nation's capital as he could if he had accepted a four-year deal to stay put after signing a deal worth about $2 million.

This to me is the key point. I have no respect for the guy at all. We put a good offer on the table and he said I want the most $ without thinking about the club and the support he has been given as well as the fans.

The NRL can't do any thing about this because it comes down to character. Its not the NRL's fault. Its not the clubs fault. It is the character of James Tedesco.

In some ways I am glad he is gone because I think the club deserves better.

As much as i'm disappointed about losing Teddy thinking about the club and the fans isn't always that smart, just ask Simon Dwyer.

I do think it's a great chance for the club to get on the front foot and start rallying the NRL for some for of compensation for junior development. Surely we can get together with the Raiders, Panthers, Eels, Warriors and Dragons to start pushing the case.

If all the clubs start pulling their money out of development it will cost the NRL. They should be doing all they can to get clubs to put money into development. The money needs to be spent by someone and surely it is better for the clubs to do it than the NRL to have to dig into their funds to get money into juniors.
 
Arguably the stupidest comment our CEO has made

So we can't afford to buy players and we will stop producing them

Should be a good side we put out every week then

And people are accusing me of butthurt LOL

As I said a few weeks ago , we should of shopped Keefy around with all the young forwards we have coming through and kept Tedesco

Or maybe last season when is this was all starting maybe we shouldn't have resigned Keefy

The club seems to have the same problems year after year no matter what changes occur
 
@Knuckles said:
@bonstonker said:
mayer and his threats again.

Yeah … How predictable !
He should have said ... Last chance for Cambo ... Juniors

Pull your head in Knuckles, it seems like the only time you ever have anything to say anymore is if it's something negative about Mayer.
 
@happy tiger said:
Arguably the stupidest comment our CEO has made

So we can't afford to buy players and we will stop producing them

Should be a good side we put out every week then

And people are accusing me of butthurt LOL

As I said a few weeks ago , we should of shopped Keefy around with all the young forwards we have coming through and kept Tedesco

Or maybe last season when is this was all starting maybe we shouldn't have resigned Keefy

The club seems to have the same problems year after year no matter what changes occur

Did Mayer run over your dog?
 
Seems a little over the top with "threats", however, the point is still there and there should be some compensation in regards to the cap maybe for home grown players.
 
@Milky said:
@happy tiger said:
Arguably the stupidest comment our CEO has made

So we can't afford to buy players and we will stop producing them

Should be a good side we put out every week then

And people are accusing me of butthurt LOL

As I said a few weeks ago , we should of shopped Keefy around with all the young forwards we have coming through and kept Tedesco

Or maybe last season when is this was all starting maybe we shouldn't have resigned Keefy

The club seems to have the same problems year after year no matter what changes occur

Did Mayer run over your dog?

No Milky this club has been badly run for many years

As I have said many times instead of making excuses we need to become better operators and use the rules to our advantage

Again every one needs to not blame Tedesco for this

You either need to blame the NRL for having a salary cap or the people that have run this club for the last 15 years

Mayer is doing an OK job and its not his fault that our financial predicament is what it is

But he's going to get nowhere with comments like this because for the majority of clubs this system we have works

Its like when I joke with CB about Man U and West Ham One has a budget that can be matched by few whereas the other is on a shoestring budget But I also understand that the EPL clubs can't compete in Europe and earn the huge sponsorship deals they need to stay competitive in the huge European comps without free trade

Would it be fair if we asked all the other clubs to rest a player because we can't match it with them No

We need to improve off field like we have on field
 
Headlines equal pressure… and he wasnt going to make the papers if he didnt ham it up a little.

It is an issue that needs addressing though in all honesty. If it costs us $1M a year to maintain development, then that is funds we could be putting into various other facets of the club, funds we sorely need to get the place back into shape.
 
@Black'n'White said:
Headlines equal pressure… and he wasnt going to make the papers if he didnt ham it up a little.

It is an issue that needs addressing though in all honesty. If it costs us $1M a year to maintain development, then that is funds we could be putting into various other facets of the club, funds we sorely need to get the place back into shape.

But its like the chicken and the egg BnW

If we have a competitive side that is consistently making the 8 we can attract more money from sponsors and attract TPA which will ease some of the money issues

If we put all those funds into other facets as you mention and the club runs bottom four year after year forget what I just mentioned above

Its a fine line we are walking that's for sure
 
@happy tiger said:
Arguably the stupidest comment our CEO has made

So we can't afford to buy players and we will stop producing them

Should be a good side we put out every week then

And people are accusing me of butthurt LOL

As I said a few weeks ago , we should of shopped Keefy around with all the young forwards we have coming through and kept Tedesco

Or maybe last season when is this was all starting maybe we shouldn't have resigned Keefy

The club seems to have the same problems year after year no matter what changes occur

Brisbane have a very wider junior base than Wests tigers but never seem to lose many juniors. I keep wondering why this is so.
 
@Newtown said:
@happy tiger said:
Arguably the stupidest comment our CEO has made

So we can't afford to buy players and we will stop producing them

Should be a good side we put out every week then

And people are accusing me of butthurt LOL

As I said a few weeks ago , we should of shopped Keefy around with all the young forwards we have coming through and kept Tedesco

Or maybe last season when is this was all starting maybe we shouldn't have resigned Keefy

The club seems to have the same problems year after year no matter what changes occur

Brisbane have a very wider junior base than Wests tigers but never seem to lose many juniors. I keep wondering why this is so.

I'm guessing lots of TPA's

Or if all the news headlines are true something illegal
 
It would be good if the development clubs were compensated for the expense of developing juniors.

It's about time the conversation was raised to a higher priority. I think it is unsustainable long term for 25% of the clubs carry this burden alone. It would be much better if all clubs contributed financially in some way to this process.

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@innsaneink said:
@Knuckles said:
@bonstonker said:
mayer and his threats again.

Yeah … How predictable !
He should have said ... Last chance for Cambo ... Juniors

Maybe you'd like to point out where he said they'd threaten to STOP jnr development

ITS A HEADLINE!!!

Inkypoo…..ur spot on...he never said it.

This forum is hilarious..peeps cant wait to jump up and down about nothing.

PS...James Tedesco sucks.
 
@innsaneink said:
@Knuckles said:
@bonstonker said:
mayer and his threats again.

Yeah … How predictable !
He should have said ... Last chance for Cambo ... Juniors

Maybe you'd like to point out where he said they'd threaten to STOP jnr development

ITS A HEADLINE!!!

made the threat a month ago,and now the rehash.
but there isn't a threat,because we have no other choice.
 
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