Where is the Equity in Third Party Agreements?

[stevied]

I was reading on another thread someone's assertion that we won't be spending up to our cap next year due to financial constraints. Also, they mentioned that we can't compete with several other clubs who can enlist rich backers to provide third party deals in order to sign quality players. The net reality of all this is that these privileged clubs are, in fact, exceeding the cap and creating a situation of inequity, something the salary cap was aiming to eradicate. Obviously, there are numerous flaws in the management of the game at the moment but shouldn't the league do something about this, especially in light of the Foran fiasco…....Sorry if this is stating the obvious....
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[Cultured_Bogan]

There is none. If you're a club at the rich end of town where you can get rich financial backers not affiliated with the NRL or the club, you have the upper hand on the poorer clubs.

The Broncos have got away with it for years with the Thoroughbreds.

 

[stevied]

So my point is, why doesn't the league do something about it if its intention is to provide an even playing field where all clubs have a realistic opportunity to compete or win a premiership? Does it happen in the AFL?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The only way to have an even playing field is for the NRL to be responsible for player salaries.

The NRL dont want this responsibility!

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[stevied]

Aha! That's a sad state of affairs….

 

[Goose]

The main purpose of the salary cap is to protect clubs from themselves (over spending), the keeping the comp equal is secondary to this main goal.
This is why the 3rd party arrangements are a bit of a mess (though greatly over estimated)

 

[Milky]

Thats where the wealthy clubs have an advantage, i don't mind it, if we were a wealthy club no one would complain.

 

[supercoach]

You want a level playing field and at present it is not level. The argument you will always get is, why punish the clubs that are being run very well and try and bring them down to the clubs that are not run so well. I do not buy it entirely as things like geographical location make a difference, one team towns have a advantage and teams located in wealthy regions have a advantage, but I do agree that the clubs at the bottom should be trying to match the guys at the top.

The answer to me is simple, reward teams who develop talent and punish those who dont. So if a player like Woods was snapped up by manly, they would have to pay a fee to the Tigers, or say we would get a salary cap dcredit and they would get a salary cap penalty, you could even have a situation where a team like ours could trade our salary cap credits for players or cash.

Anyway aint going to happen, got to live with what we got

 

[ryanda01]

You want a level playing field and at present it is not level. The argument you will always get is, why punish the clubs that are being run very well and try and bring them down to the clubs that are not run so well. I do not buy it entirely as things like geographical location make a difference, one team towns have a advantage and teams located in wealthy regions have a advantage, but I do agree that the clubs at the bottom should be trying to match the guys at the top.

The answer to me is simple, reward teams who develop talent and punish those who dont. So if a player like Woods was snapped up by manly, they would have to pay a fee to the Tigers, or say we would get a salary cap dcredit and they would get a salary cap penalty, you could even have a situation where a team like ours could trade our salary cap credits for players or cash.

Anyway aint going to happen, got to live with what we got

Really good post. Don't know what that means for the likes of Melbourne who poach kids from regional Queensland, etc. Then you start to reward scouts rather then clubs but suppose that brings it round to your point around good management.

 

[happy_tiger]

We are getting better with TPA's

But isn't it our responsibility to get better at managing our salary cap and finding backers to provide third party agreements

And yes I know that isn't how TPA's are suppose to work , but in reality that is what clubs do

 

[ryanda01]

We are getting better with TPA's

But isn't it our responsibility to get better at managing our salary cap and finding backers to provide third party agreements

And yes I know that isn't how TPA's are suppose to work , but in reality that is what clubs do

Don't think anyone disagrees but if you are a large corp looking to offload your hard earns, you're most likely throwing them at teams who can get your brand out, not a team running equal last. Thus the vicious circle continues until the onfield improves.

 

[balmain boy]

TPA's are just a way to create an imbalanced competition. It rewards the rich and well run clubs, and punishes the other clubs, creating a further gap between the teams.

Look at the teams who repeatedly get done for cap breaches. How many of them are regularly in the top 6? The fact it's usually clubs like us, the eels, raiders, panthers, dragons who get penalised shows we can't get the TPA's that other clubs do, so other clubs effectively have an extra million dollars in the cap over us, can keep the best players, and buy the best players from other clubs.

Of course Parra have tried with TPA's but seem to have some trouble getting them to stick.

Funnily enough it's also the same clubs who get breaches that are also development clubs. If the NRL gives special dispensation to the rich clubs, they should give dispensation to the poorer but junior rich clubs.

 

[jirskyr]

TPAs exist to keep the players happy, not the clubs. I am fairly sure that there are potential legal issues for restraint of trade if you don't allow players to capitalise on their "brand".

It is always harder to compete for TPAs in a saturated market, such as Sydney.

We are lucky that Uncle Harry usually puts his hand up as major sponsor, but I assume that removes his capacity to be involved in TPAs. Those are either generated by marketable players, or generous benefactors.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

On the other side of TPA is player salaries only tend to go up if other clubs pay higher salaries to poach them.

If the NRL could address this area of the game (cap spending on buying talent), most clubs would have workable budgets/forecasts.

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[pHyR3]

once again, i cant think of a competition in the world as equal as the NRL.

take a look at the AFL for some nice and balance $1.05 odds on head to heads for evidence of how salary caps could work. they even have a draft and still face way worse team inequality than us.