Who really knows what is going on internally....

[matchball]

Oh geez, **another fan boy** thats upset lol. Where did you even bring JT into this, or **were you dreaming about him**. Because please read my last few posts. Nothing to do with JT. The funny thing is i want this dealt with as soon as possible so the circus csn finish. Does that mean im painting the club in a bad light. I quoted the article, in particular thecpart about negotiating with the club his payout. If the club is willing to pay him out his full entitlements then why are they negotiating? Thats the question im asking?

Oh and Vlad i will be yhere on Sunday, like ive been to every home game plus every ANZ game as a member of this club. So once again dont need you or any of the fan club boys questioning my support because i ask a question on a forum.

:laughing:

This is hilarious with the fan boy central squaddies attempting to shut this topic down.

Lol

I looked at your user posts too

Talk about a one track mind ….

I think people in your industry call it "badgering the witness"

Yayy, i had 2 followers in GNR4LIFE and INSANEINK, now i have 3 lol. I feel so privileged.

But Vlad all jokes aside. Hand on heart do you believe Farah was initially dropped because of attacking cohesion?

You would be a fool to believe that was the reason alone for his dumping. Maybe an element of it but it's easy to see it's about his attitude and shift in club culture.

 

[TrueTiger]

Oh geez, **another fan boy** thats upset lol. Where did you even bring JT into this, or **were you dreaming about him**. Because please read my last few posts. Nothing to do with JT. The funny thing is i want this dealt with as soon as possible so the circus csn finish. Does that mean im painting the club in a bad light. I quoted the article, in particular thecpart about negotiating with the club his payout. If the club is willing to pay him out his full entitlements then why are they negotiating? Thats the question im asking?

Oh and Vlad i will be yhere on Sunday, like ive been to every home game plus every ANZ game as a member of this club. So once again dont need you or any of the fan club boys questioning my support because i ask a question on a forum.

:laughing:

This is hilarious with the fan boy central squaddies attempting to shut this topic down.

Lol

I looked at your user posts too

Talk about a one track mind ….

I think people in your industry call it "badgering the witness"

Yayy, i had 2 followers in GNR4LIFE and INSANEINK, now i have 3 lol. I feel so privileged.

But Vlad all jokes aside. Hand on heart do you believe Farah was initially dropped because of attacking cohesion?

tigers2005,if I could be so rude as to inject some opinion in your discussion,and I'm not trying to take a side…if you go back to say when RF was in the side,he has a definitive style of play,he is a very good dummy half in that style of play in previous seasons,however,Taylor is taking a different direction and style of play which means letting the halves control the team around the park...many see how RFs style restricted the halves in developing further because Robbie has been used to controlling the team and plays,this is where the differing opinions lie,he has been good for the team and club,however it is time to move aside and let
the younger ones take control....hope this can help,but it is as everything opinion based.,

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I don't think anyone is arguing the reason he's remained out of the team is because of cohesion. He buried himself the moment he took aim at the club in the media. He bacame Persona Non Grata. There was no going back after that, regardless of results.

 

[matchball]

:laughing:

This is hilarious with the fan boy central squaddies attempting to shut this topic down.

Lol

I looked at your user posts too

Talk about a one track mind ….

I think people in your industry call it "badgering the witness"

Yayy, i had 2 followers in GNR4LIFE and INSANEINK, now i have 3 lol. I feel so privileged.

But Vlad all jokes aside. Hand on heart do you believe Farah was initially dropped because of attacking cohesion?

tigers2005,if I could be so rude as to inject some opinion in your discussion,and I'm not trying to take a side…if you go back to say when RF was in the side,he has a definitive style of play,he is a very good dummy half in that style of play in previous seasons,however,Taylor is taking a different direction and style of play which means letting the halves control the team around the park...many see how RFs style restricted the halves in developing further because Robbie has been used to controlling the team and plays,this is where the differing opinions lie,he has been good for the team and club,however it is time to move aside and let
the younger ones take control....hope this can help,but it is as everything opinion based.,

Robbie has been our number 7 when we lacked one.
When Prince left he stepped up until Lui arrived and did so again when he got the boot.
At times the '3rd' half has overplayed his hand and I believe cost us a spot in another grand final but that's another story.

Anyway, now that we have a good pair of halves we don't need the 3rd half anymore.

 

[stevetiger]

I don't think anyone is arguing the reason he's remained out of the team is because of cohesion. He buried himself the moment he took aim at the club in the media. He bacame Persona Non Grata. There was no going back after that, regardless of results.

It has nothing to do with on-field performances. I think it just comes down to money in that they want him off the books as he isn't worth anywhere near what we are paying him. That is just my opinion but I don't think he has said anything that is really that bad. It could just be because JT hates him. None of us really know why.

The thing is he has a contract and he will get paid that amount of money.

 

[Masterton]

Im confused where the article says , that he is negotiating his payout figure from the club before he decides his future. Why would he need to negotiate what he is owed? pleAse explain

Tigers2005, the next line is, "This includes the amount Farah’s new club are willing to pay as part of a release and this negotiation could take weeks to finalise"

I could be wrong, but I interpret that as the real negotiation is between the 2 clubs as to who pays what. If another club puts in $300k, our "payout" is $650k.

 

[Nelson]

Im confused where the article says , that he is negotiating his payout figure from the club before he decides his future. Why would he need to negotiate what he is owed? pleAse explain

Tigers2005, the next line is, "This includes the amount Farah’s new club are willing to pay as part of a release and this negotiation could take weeks to finalise"

I could be wrong, but I interpret that as the real negotiation is between the 2 clubs as to who pays what. If another club puts in $300k, our "payout" is $650k.

That is probably what is going on and that is a complex negotiation process. For example:
- Souths are prepared to pay $350K per season for 3 years leaving the Tigers to pick up $600K in 2017
- Sharks are prepared to pay $450K for 2017 leaving the Tigers to pick up $500K in 2017

Going to Souths is arguably a better option for Farah but clearly a worse result for the club. The club only cares about 2017, not any years into the future. So a deal is going to need to be struck which is good enough for RF, good enough for the club and good enough for whatever club he is going to. That is the sort of negotiation that will probably be going on, not the club trying to negotiate Farah to a release on a lesser overall amount because he just has no reason to go for that.

 

[tigers2005]

I don't think anyone is arguing the reason he's remained out of the team is because of cohesion. He buried himself the moment he took aim at the club in the media. He bacame Persona Non Grata. There was no going back after that, regardless of results.

Im not talking about the reason he stayed out of the team. Im talking about him getting dropped in the first place. We had won the last 2 games he played with him coming off the bench. He was fhen dropped to force his hand at finding another club to go too. It is what it is, and best for both parties he is not here next year.

 

[tigers2005]

:laughing:

This is hilarious with the fan boy central squaddies attempting to shut this topic down.

Lol

I looked at your user posts too

Talk about a one track mind ….

I think people in your industry call it "badgering the witness"

Yayy, i had 2 followers in GNR4LIFE and INSANEINK, now i have 3 lol. I feel so privileged.

But Vlad all jokes aside. Hand on heart do you believe Farah was initially dropped because of attacking cohesion?

tigers2005,if I could be so rude as to inject some opinion in your discussion,and I'm not trying to take a side…if you go back to say when RF was in the side,he has a definitive style of play,he is a very good dummy half in that style of play in previous seasons,however,Taylor is taking a different direction and style of play which means letting the halves control the team around the park...many see how RFs style restricted the halves in developing further because Robbie has been used to controlling the team and plays,this is where the differing opinions lie,he has been good for the team and club,however it is time to move aside and let
the younger ones take control....hope this can help,but it is as everything opinion based.,

Hi Truetiger, i respect and agree with alot of your opinion. But i thought it was working when Farah came off the bench in his last 2 games and provided much quicker ball to the halves. If Farah was on $500k not $950k would he have been dropped? I think this is mainly about money and trying to free up some cap space to sign elijah and anyone else we need. The other thing aswell is that if it was to fit into JT's new system why was not done in round 1, why was it done in round 20.

 

[tigers2005]

Im confused where the article says , that he is negotiating his payout figure from the club before he decides his future. Why would he need to negotiate what he is owed? pleAse explain

Tigers2005, the next line is, "This includes the amount Farah’s new club are willing to pay as part of a release and this negotiation could take weeks to finalise"

I could be wrong, but I interpret that as the real negotiation is between the 2 clubs as to who pays what. If another club puts in $300k, our "payout" is $650k.

The next line just adds more confusion Masterton. It is saying there is more than one thing being negotiated, one of which is the new club vs the tigers. Its all speculation, but i think there is alot more going on then meets the eye. If it was only as you stated the negotiation about how much his new club is willing to pay, then its between the 2 clubs nothing to do with farah as he will still get his $950k. I reckon (im speculating) rabbits have come in saying we will pay $350k and the tigers have gone back to farah and said we will pay you $500k, so $850k instead of $950k and i reckon Farah is not budging and neither is the new club. But again who knows.

 

[Masterton]

Im confused where the article says , that he is negotiating his payout figure from the club before he decides his future. Why would he need to negotiate what he is owed? pleAse explain

Tigers2005, the next line is, "This includes the amount Farah’s new club are willing to pay as part of a release and this negotiation could take weeks to finalise"

I could be wrong, but I interpret that as the real negotiation is between the 2 clubs as to who pays what. If another club puts in $300k, our "payout" is $650k.

The next line just adds more confusion Masterton. It is saying there is more than one thing being negotiated, one of which is the new club vs the tigers. Its all speculation, but i think there is alot more going on then meets the eye. If it was only as you stated the negotiation about how much his new club is willing to pay, then its between the 2 clubs nothing to do with farah as he will still get his $950k. I reckon (im speculating) rabbits have come in saying we will pay $350k and the tigers have gone back to farah and said we will pay you $500k, so $850k instead of $950k and i reckon Farah is not budging and neither is the new club. But again who knows.

Yes, I suspect the papers keep it deliberately vague sometimes because they don't really know either.

One thing I'm fairly certain of is Robbie isn't going to settle for less, and nor should he.

 

[matchball]

Im confused where the article says , that he is negotiating his payout figure from the club before he decides his future. Why would he need to negotiate what he is owed? pleAse explain

Tigers2005, the next line is, "This includes the amount Farah’s new club are willing to pay as part of a release and this negotiation could take weeks to finalise"

I could be wrong, but I interpret that as the real negotiation is between the 2 clubs as to who pays what. If another club puts in $300k, our "payout" is $650k.

The next line just adds more confusion Masterton. It is saying there is more than one thing being negotiated, one of which is the new club vs the tigers. Its all speculation, but i think there is alot more going on then meets the eye. If it was only as you stated the negotiation about how much his new club is willing to pay, then its between the 2 clubs nothing to do with farah as he will still get his $950k. I reckon (im speculating) rabbits have come in saying we will pay $350k and the tigers have gone back to farah and said we will pay you $500k, so $850k instead of $950k and i reckon Farah is not budging and neither is the new club. But again who knows.

Yes, I suspect the papers keep it deliberately vague sometimes because they don't really know either.

One thing I'm fairly certain of is Robbie isn't going to settle for less, and nor should he.

Robbie has backed himself into a corner. The club now has the upper hand hence the flurry of media from ayoub.
Robbie could never play NRL again if he isn't careful and I think he is finally getting it.

 

[matchball]

Im confused where the article says , that he is negotiating his payout figure from the club before he decides his future. Why would he need to negotiate what he is owed? pleAse explain

Tigers2005, the next line is, "This includes the amount Farah’s new club are willing to pay as part of a release and this negotiation could take weeks to finalise"

I could be wrong, but I interpret that as the real negotiation is between the 2 clubs as to who pays what. If another club puts in $300k, our "payout" is $650k.

The next line just adds more confusion Masterton. It is saying there is more than one thing being negotiated, one of which is the new club vs the tigers. Its all speculation, but i think there is alot more going on then meets the eye. If it was only as you stated the negotiation about how much his new club is willing to pay, then its between the 2 clubs nothing to do with farah as he will still get his $950k. I reckon (im speculating) rabbits have come in saying we will pay $350k and the tigers have gone back to farah and said we will pay you $500k, so $850k instead of $950k and i reckon Farah is not budging and neither is the new club. But again who knows.

NRL couldn't allow Robbies new contract to be registered at 350k if they play by the rules.
I'm sure he values himself to be worth more per season as well.
I think a 50/50 split of the 950k would be the fair ground seeing he is state of origin rake and all that great stuff.

 

[tigers2005]

Im confused where the article says , that he is negotiating his payout figure from the club before he decides his future. Why would he need to negotiate what he is owed? pleAse explain

Tigers2005, the next line is, "This includes the amount Farah’s new club are willing to pay as part of a release and this negotiation could take weeks to finalise"

I could be wrong, but I interpret that as the real negotiation is between the 2 clubs as to who pays what. If another club puts in $300k, our "payout" is $650k.

The next line just adds more confusion Masterton. It is saying there is more than one thing being negotiated, one of which is the new club vs the tigers. Its all speculation, but i think there is alot more going on then meets the eye. If it was only as you stated the negotiation about how much his new club is willing to pay, then its between the 2 clubs nothing to do with farah as he will still get his $950k. I reckon (im speculating) rabbits have come in saying we will pay $350k and the tigers have gone back to farah and said we will pay you $500k, so $850k instead of $950k and i reckon Farah is not budging and neither is the new club. But again who knows.

NRL couldn't allow Robbies new contract to be registered at 350k if they play by the rules.
I'm sure he values himself to be worth more per season as well.
I think a 50/50 split of the 950k would be the fair ground seeing he is state of origin rake and all that great stuff.

So then how did we register Ballin ( who many on here rate better than Farah) at $100k. Surely he is a $350 to $400k hooker?

 

[Masterton]

NRL couldn't allow Robbies new contract to be registered at 350k if they play by the rules.

The problem is they don't always seem to play by the rules. I understand they wouldn't accept Robbie last year for $100k or Folau for next to nothing, but didn't we get Ballin almost entirely paid by Manly?

 

[matchball]

NRL couldn't allow Robbies new contract to be registered at 350k if they play by the rules.

The problem is they don't always seem to play by the rules. I understand they wouldn't accept Robbie last year for $100k or Folau for next to nothing, but didn't we get Ballin almost entirely paid by Manly?

I presume the NRL will let whatever go through for the matter to be resolved. Especially something so public and negative. It's up to the club to agree but we don't want to get a bad deal either. We should treat it like selling a used car. Polish it up and shine the tires and start the price high. We hold his career in our hands because we can deny a release.

I was under the impression we paid ballin 200k a season but we never truly know.
The real question I pose is what is his Robbies fair market value? I think 450k if you look at his resume and don't take the personality into account. Also his age is factor.

 

[tigers2005]

NRL couldn't allow Robbies new contract to be registered at 350k if they play by the rules.

The problem is they don't always seem to play by the rules. I understand they wouldn't accept Robbie last year for $100k or Folau for next to nothing, but didn't we get Ballin almost entirely paid by Manly?

As long as a player is getting his market worth i dont think the NRL can get involved in who is paying what. For example if Ballins market value is $400k and manly is willing to pay $300k while we pay $100k, i dont think the Nrl can stop it. Its only when a player is getting unders they will not register it.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

NRL couldn't allow Robbies new contract to be registered at 350k if they play by the rules.

The problem is they don't always seem to play by the rules. I understand they wouldn't accept Robbie last year for $100k or Folau for next to nothing, but didn't we get Ballin almost entirely paid by Manly?

As long as a player is getting his market worth i dont think the NRL can get involved in who is paying what. For example if Ballins market value is $400k and manly is willing to pay $300k while we pay $100k, i dont think the Nrl can stop it. Its only when a player is getting unders they will not register it.

They don't get involved, but the NRL has to determine a market value of the player for the purposes of the salary cap. So taking your example above, whilst Wests pays $100k, the NRL (with whom the contract is registered) may rule that under the salary cap, Ballin is worth $200k.

 

[tigers2005]

NRL couldn't allow Robbies new contract to be registered at 350k if they play by the rules.

The problem is they don't always seem to play by the rules. I understand they wouldn't accept Robbie last year for $100k or Folau for next to nothing, but didn't we get Ballin almost entirely paid by Manly?

As long as a player is getting his market worth i dont think the NRL can get involved in who is paying what. For example if Ballins market value is $400k and manly is willing to pay $300k while we pay $100k, i dont think the Nrl can stop it. Its only when a player is getting unders they will not register it.

They don't get involved, but the NRL has to determine a market value of the player for the purposes of the salary cap. So taking your example above, whilst Wests pays $100k, the NRL (with whom the contract is registered) may rule that under the salary cap, Ballin is worth $200k.

So even if we pay him $100k it would still count towards $200k of our salary cap?

Then what happens to manly who is still paying $300k, does it only count towards $200k of their salary cap.

Id love to know how it actually works, from an NRL source.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

The problem is they don't always seem to play by the rules. I understand they wouldn't accept Robbie last year for $100k or Folau for next to nothing, but didn't we get Ballin almost entirely paid by Manly?

As long as a player is getting his market worth i dont think the NRL can get involved in who is paying what. For example if Ballins market value is $400k and manly is willing to pay $300k while we pay $100k, i dont think the Nrl can stop it. Its only when a player is getting unders they will not register it.

They don't get involved, but the NRL has to determine a market value of the player for the purposes of the salary cap. So taking your example above, whilst Wests pays $100k, the NRL (with whom the contract is registered) may rule that under the salary cap, Ballin is worth $200k.

So even if we pay him $100k it would still count towards $200k of our salary cap?

Then what happens to manly who is still paying $300k, does it only count towards $200k of their salary cap.

Id love to know how it actually works, from an NRL source.

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