Why are the Rooster better?

[Jedi_Tiger]

remember in the early 90's they were a basket case then they got Packer on the board and bought Fitler and Gould and the rest is history

 

[Goldust]

Accountability.
I can’t imagine any player in The Roosters squad being so lazy.
They would be crucified.they have a standard they play to,regardless of talent and natural ability.they want to win, and their club expects them to win.(their recruitment is world class also)
They cut the fat pretty quickly.An underperforming player will get one season to prove themselves.
I hate them ,but they are run tremendously well.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

And I don't buy that their 'culture' is better than ours. They've had numerous off-field player dramas over the years.
But partly due to being based in the eastern suburbs they are seen as a 'glamour club' and this helps them no end.

I think culture is more about what happens on the training paddock than off it.

Like for eg the Morris brothers seem to be thorough professionals- imagine someone like Sualii who can learn things about game day prep, how to calm down in pressure situations etc. It's about being in a culture where there is a clear hierarchy with mutual respect and trust among teammates.

I don't see Laurie learning much professionalism off guys like Roberts/BJ.

Sonny Bill is mentoring Sualli apparently

 

[jadtiger]

And I don't buy that their 'culture' is better than ours. They've had numerous off-field player dramas over the years.
But partly due to being based in the eastern suburbs they are seen as a 'glamour club' and this helps them no end.

I think culture is more about what happens on the training paddock than off it.

Like for eg the Morris brothers seem to be thorough professionals- imagine someone like Sualii who can learn things about game day prep, how to calm down in pressure situations etc. It's about being in a culture where there is a clear hierarchy with mutual respect and trust among teammates.

I don't see Laurie learning much professionalism off guys like Roberts/BJ.

Sonny Bill is mentoring Sualli apparently

So we can expect Sualli on his way to europe to play union as soon as he can get a flight then

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Without bashing the Tigers, what do you think makes the Roosters so good? They embarrassed the Tigers with no hooker, a Keary playing a new position, an ordinary 5/8 and a worse 5/8 on the bench. They also had a front rower kicking goals.

* For me it all comes down to speed and urgency
* They had 3 defenders in every tackle but never seemed to be short anywhere.
* No one in the NRL seems to be able to tackle Tedesco front on, he just bounces back and runs again
* They all compete on every play, no one is lazy

Better culture and systems too. Smarter players

Do you think that’s apart of thier process . Like others have stated , in the NFL , they do stress and IQ tests to evaluate this ? I can imagine it being that way , as not all thier players were the best of the best at junior level . So there’s something to be said about what attributes they value during the development phase .

 

[TrueTiger]

The main reason they are so successful is because they are considered a glamour club with high standards,put that down to the great system,coaching and of course having an Uncle Nick backing them for so long....
While Unca N is there anything is possible and probable,but the platform has already been laid for years to come....

 

[yeti]

They had a training camp up here in Mullumbimby before the season started. Their training is INTENSE! Everything they do is at 100mph. They are focused for the entire period they are on the field. No mucking around. They get stuck into each other.
You would have sworn that Chrichton was from an opposing team the way they smashed him time and time again. It was incredible.

Every player knows exactly where he is supposed to be on the field in any situation - whether attack or defence.
I have not watched the Tigers train, but I would be surprised if it was as intense or as fast.
You play on the day the way you train during the week.

So we need to notch it up - everywhere. Training, front office, back office. And of course, continue to improve the roster with players that have been with these top teams and know what it is that is required.
Sounds simple.

 

[Papacito]

The very simple answer is money.

The Roosters spend something like $30 million per year on football and are backed by wealthy individuals and a leagues club with $150 million of assets on their balance sheet.

They've been doing this for years and have the systems in place to recruit and develop the best juniors in the country and plan their roster out for 5+ years.

Meanwhile we're only just getting over owing the NRL $2 million of bailout money.

I hate the Roosters with a passion, but they do a lot right.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

It’s pre Trent Robinson man . Phil Gould put the systems in place in the 90s , and every single person since then has just added to it , even brad Fittler .

 

[twentyforty]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

Good point Adelaide. It may even go a ways to explaining why the chooks make fewer mistakes? Why their seemingly flippant passes stick?
Robo generally has a vision of the way things play out and getting that right mostly allows the players to buy in easily. But it’s easier to be a visionary when you have enormous depth and a winning team.
I don’t really know what vision WT have, have never really read any goals which could provide some direction or allow me to gauge their performance with any confidence, but I do see the roster improving and the cap being better managed.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

It’s pre Trent Robinson man . Phil Gould put the systems in place in the 90s , and every single person since then has just added to it , even brad Fittler .

The Roosters have had many a dark day since the 90s, Brad Fittler is arguably one of the worst ever head coaches in the NRL, he was on the back page of the paper every single day. I agree the Roosters have had good times prior to Robbo, and yes their organisation as a whole is very good (mostly because of cash allowing them to poach juniors from other Sydney clubs), but their current success is almost purely because of Robbo. I guess the thread question is vague.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

Good point Adelaide. It may even go a ways to explaining why the chooks make fewer mistakes? Why their seemingly flippant passes stick?
Robo generally has a vision of the way things play out and getting that right mostly allows the players to buy in easily. But it’s easier to be a visionary when you have enormous depth and a winning team.
I don’t really know what vision WT have, have never really read any goals which could provide some direction or allow me to gauge their performance with any confidence, but I do see the roster improving and the cap being better managed.

Yeah they benefit from being able to go and get basically any player they want, they manage their cap extremely well having depth 1-30, their facilities are top class, their back of house is very much in order. But Robbo is the one that brings it all together, every time he talks footy it pays to listen.
WTs have elected to go the long route, There is a strong core of youngsters here building nicely, but they will need time.

 

[cleanskin]

Nick Politis is the reason. If he didn't come to their rescue they wouldn't be where they are today.
What Nick wants, Nick gets.

 

[twentyforty]

A journo asked Robo the same question recently. “What makes the Roosters so good? What tips can you share to other struggling clubs, like for instance, the Tigers?”
His response was basically.”.get your club organised! Start fixing the admin. it’s not rocket science.”
Thanks for nothing Robo 😂
He’s right, our team is representative of the entire organisation. It’s just not possible to be any other way. Organisations are culture driven, if they have lazy people on the front line, then they have lazy people in the back office. What you see is what you get.
Take a look at the team? We have one player who gets MVP points in a side that goes down by 34 points. We probably have a similar amount of goals focussed people in back of house when extrapolated?

 

[cleanskin]

A journo asked Robo the same question recently. “What makes the Roosters so good? What tips can you share to other struggling clubs, like for instance, the Tigers?”
His response was basically.”.get your club organised! Start fixing the admin. it’s not rocket science.”
Thanks for nothing Robo 😂
He’s right, our team is representative of the entire organisation. It’s just not possible to be any other way. Organisations are culture driven, if they have lazy people on the front line, then they have lazy people in the back office. What you see is what you get.
Take a look at the team? We have one player who gets MVP points in a side that goes down by 34 points. We probably have a similar amount of goals focussed people in back of house when extrapolated?

It's true. Our front office is average.
The arrival of Lee with his darkwing duck outfits had been questionable. Vocal but not much else.
I think he likes the attention.

 

[jirskyr]

They had a training camp up here in Mullumbimby before the season started. Their training is INTENSE! Everything they do is at 100mph. They are focused for the entire period they are on the field. No mucking around. They get stuck into each other.
You would have sworn that Chrichton was from an opposing team the way they smashed him time and time again. It was incredible.

I'm pretty sure Tigers train that way - that is the Bellamy school of coaching, where you train at match-level intensity so you learn to make decisions and apply effort under realistic extreme conditions. And Madge being one of the first Bellyache acolytes.

Put it another way - you ever heard suggestions around the Tigers that the coach trains them too softly?

I'd love to have Keary, Tedesco, Tupou, Crichton, Manu, Taukeiaho around training even if it was a soft training session.

 

[Speed2burn]

They had a training camp up here in Mullumbimby before the season started. Their training is INTENSE! Everything they do is at 100mph. They are focused for the entire period they are on the field. No mucking around. They get stuck into each other.
You would have sworn that Chrichton was from an opposing team the way they smashed him time and time again. It was incredible.

I'm pretty sure Tigers train that way - that is the Bellamy school of coaching, where you train at match-level intensity so you learn to make decisions and apply effort under realistic extreme conditions. And Madge being one of the first Bellyache acolytes.

It’s also why we maybe had a few niggling injuries to start the season?

They seem to have all come out of the Tamworth camp.

Blore (wrist), Mbye, (hammy) BJ (out of the trials) and Kepoa (knee heavily strapped) to be specific

 

[barra]

Unca Nic.

The house that Nic built for sure.

 

[jirskyr]

Trent Robinson, bloke knows footy, and he always seems to know how the coming year will play out.

It’s pre Trent Robinson man . Phil Gould put the systems in place in the 90s , and every single person since then has just added to it , even brad Fittler .

The Roosters have had many a dark day since the 90s, Brad Fittler is arguably one of the worst ever head coaches in the NRL, he was on the back page of the paper every single day. I agree the Roosters have had good times prior to Robbo, and yes their organisation as a whole is very good (mostly because of cash allowing them to poach juniors from other Sydney clubs), but their current success is almost purely because of Robbo. I guess the thread question is vague.

Brad Fittler and Gould kick-started the Roosters revival. They were a very average club pre-Super League, but the arrival of News Ltd caused long-term disruptions amongst clubs and Roosters profited from having ARL-aligned stars leave their Super League clubs.

Pre-1996 Roosters missed the finals 8 straight years, not appearing since 1987. Phil Gould becomes head coach 1995, 1996 they pick up Fittler, Ivan Cleary, Matt Sing, run 4th. 1997 brings David Barnhill and Scott Gourlay, both Grand Finalists from St George, Brian Fletcher debuts, Jack Elsegood from Manly, they run 5th.

Phil Gould leaves in 1999 after 4 straight seasons in the Semis, next 5 seasons Graham Murray and Ricky Stuart get Roosters to 4 Grand Finals, 1 win. That's the making of the Roosters legacy, that then lets them attract and retain big business, big talent, even if they spend quite a few seasons outside the finals.

And above all of this, Nick Politis joined the Roosters board in 1993. The Super League war is his opportunity to make Roosters front-and-centre of the ARL counter-attack, with Gould and Fittler arguably the ARL's two highest profile figures to combat News Ltd.

You say Roosters had many dark days since the 90s, but they haven't been more than 5 seasons without playing a Grand Final. If that's dark, even with dog rooting and wooden spoons, I'll take it.

No doubting at all that Trent Robinson is a master coach who is primarily responsible for the current Roosters domination, but it all started back during Super League with Politis, Gould and Fittler.