Will it really matter?

[GNR4LIFE]

Who we sign for 2014? Its clear there is a cultural problem within the team of looking after your mate and having a near enough is good enough attitude. Continuously Talking a big game in the media to appease supporters, recognizing where you're going wrong yet never doing anything about it. I said the other day, the constant talk from our players reminds me of an alcoholic or drug addict, they say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, but whats the admission worth if you continue to relapse into bad habits?

Anyway, back to the point i was making, would it matter? It makes me wonder if Blair isn't the problem but instead his environment? To make a comparison look at Fifita. The guy has come along leaps and bounds and is being talked up as a potential Origin bolter. Haven't heard any reports of bad attitude, yet when he was here its all we ever heard. Apparently wasn't too popular with the rest of the squad, was he not part of the cliq? did what he say when he left about there being 2 dressing rooms have some truth to it? idk, but considering how tight the group are with each other you couldn't be surprised. I don't want to blame Potter cos these issues seemed to be there long before he arrived.

I believe the mateship and the ''brothers for life'' rubbish has been detrimental to the club. Sure its great to get along and be mates, but, at least to me they've taken it too far and its caused problems. Just look at Beau Ryan, supposedly loved the club to death and would bleed for it yet walked cos his best mate was getting shafted. Thats why this crap is a problem. I've never seen any other team before or since take their gf victory quite to the extremes that we did. Sure it would bring you closer but at the end of the day you still are just doing your job. They need to get through their heads they are professionals, not a pub team, and if someone isn't cutting it, they shouldn't be there regardless of who they are or the relationship they have with the rest of the squad.

The reason why i asked will it matter is cos of the culture problem within the squad. I fear whoever comes in, no matter who they are will blend in with the rest. My other fear is that this culture is going to be passed onto the next generation which would be a crime cos by all reports we have some of the best juniors in the game.

 

[stevetiger]

I don't think we have any culture problem in the club. I don't see how any first grade team goes out and wants to lose. I also think the team have been trying really hard.

We need a quality forward pack, some speedy outside backs and Benji and Robbie to perform. Ideally we also get a decent half to partner Benji but I don't think that player has to be great. Its the quality of the players on the park and importantly how consistent they are that is the issue.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Who we sign for 2014? Its clear there is a cultural problem within the team of looking after your mate and having a near enough is good enough attitude. Continuously Talking a big game in the media to appease supporters, recognizing where you're going wrong yet never doing anything about it. I said the other day, the constant talk from our players reminds me of an alcoholic or drug addict, they say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, but whats the admission worth if you continue to relapse into bad habits?

Anyway, back to the point i was making, would it matter? It makes me wonder if Blair isn't the problem but instead his environment? To make a comparison look at Fifita. The guy has come along leaps and bounds and is being talked up as a potential Origin bolter. Haven't heard any reports of bad attitude, yet when he was here its all we ever heard. Apparently wasn't too popular with the rest of the squad, was he not part of the cliq? did what he say when he left about there being 2 dressing rooms have some truth to it? idk, but considering how tight the group are with each other you couldn't be surprised. I don't want to blame Potter cos these issues seemed to be there long before he arrived.

I believe the mateship and the ''brothers for life'' rubbish has been detrimental to the club. Sure its great to get along and be mates, but, at least to me they've taken it too far and its caused problems. Just look at Beau Ryan, supposedly loved the club to death and would bleed for it yet walked cos his best mate was getting shafted. Thats why this crap is a problem. I've never seen any other team before or since take their gf victory quite to the extremes that we did. Sure it would bring you closer but at the end of the day you still are just doing your job. They need to get through their heads they are professionals, not a pub team, and if someone isn't cutting it, they shouldn't be there regardless of who they are or the relationship they have with the rest of the squad.

The reason why i asked will it matter is cos of the culture problem within the squad. I fear whoever comes in, no matter who they are will blend in with the rest. My other fear is that this culture is going to be passed onto the next generation which would be a crime cos by all reports we have some of the best juniors in the game.

You raise some great points.

I think it's very clear there is a culture problem, to say otherwise is very naive.

I don't think the players WANT to lose, the problem is that they don't seem to care if they do, to add to that there is no accountability at the club and it starts from the very top.

 

[LaT]

To make a comparison look at Fifita. The guy has come along leaps and bounds and is being talked up as a potential Origin bolter. Haven't heard any reports of bad attitude, yet when he was here its all we ever heard.

"It was my attitude that I always thought I was hard done by," Fifita said.

"A lot of anger had built up. There was a lot of drama and stress with family and friends.

"It got to me and I was taking it to training. The final straw came when Elk yelled at me. So many things were rushing through my head, but he was just doing his job.

"I thought I'd get dropped (for storming out), but I didn't because Elk and (head coach) Shane Flanagan understood what I was going through.

"They just told me not to bring it to training and I think I'm over that stage."

The birth of his first child, Latu Jay, four months ago has helped Fifita settle.

But it was a previous hospital visit - to have his appendix removed last June - that delivered a more significant realisation.

"I watched some games in hospital and looked at what Paul Gallen did," Fifita said.

"He was always telling me, 'Look at the size of you, start using it'.

"Gal is straight up and down and just charges forward.

"Watching him, I started to realise how good I can be.

"So this year I've kept my running straight rather than going across field and relying on my fend."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/city-country-clash-offers-andrew-fifita-and-jorge-taufua-shot-at-redemption/story-fnex616o-1226624666183

 

[Irvine]

The reason why i asked will it matter is cos of the culture problem within the squad. I fear whoever comes in, no matter who they are will blend in with the rest. My other fear is that this culture is going to be passed onto the next generation which would be a crime cos by all reports we have some of the best juniors in the game.

Good point GNR if things are not changed soon the next crop may end up with the same attitude.
The reason these young guys are playing NRL is their work ethic and attitude if that changes then yes that would be a crime.

Potter can't change anything. Farah told him where to go after the Manly game when he was interchanged.
I bet you that never happens again.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

To make a comparison look at Fifita. The guy has come along leaps and bounds and is being talked up as a potential Origin bolter. Haven't heard any reports of bad attitude, yet when he was here its all we ever heard.

"It was my attitude that I always thought I was hard done by," Fifita said.

"A lot of anger had built up. There was a lot of drama and stress with family and friends.

"It got to me and I was taking it to training. The final straw came when Elk yelled at me. So many things were rushing through my head, but he was just doing his job.

"I thought I'd get dropped (for storming out), but I didn't because Elk and (head coach) Shane Flanagan understood what I was going through.

"They just told me not to bring it to training and I think I'm over that stage."

The birth of his first child, Latu Jay, four months ago has helped Fifita settle.

But it was a previous hospital visit - to have his appendix removed last June - that delivered a more significant realisation.

"I watched some games in hospital and looked at what Paul Gallen did," Fifita said.

"He was always telling me, 'Look at the size of you, start using it'.

"Gal is straight up and down and just charges forward.

"Watching him, I started to realise how good I can be.

"So this year I've kept my running straight rather than going across field and relying on my fend."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/city-country-clash-offers-andrew-fifita-and-jorge-taufua-shot-at-redemption/story-fnex616o-1226624666183

So, by this article you're clearly suggesting has he had attitude problems at the Sharks as well. Ok, so why were they able to set him straight yet no one here could? not one person could pull him aside and tell him the same thing Gallen did?

 

[system]

Sometimes it just happens that way though GNR.

On the question of the topic. I think it will matter. Potter has a chance along with Payten to mould this next generation of players coming through. We get them and their attitudes right, bring in guys who want to work hard and win with the right attitude then we can start hacking any remaining cancer out of the place.

Apart from Robbie, Woodsy & Marika nobody off contract needs to be given more then two years extension.

 

[supercoach]

The way I see it, our problems is not so much attitude or even our playing roster, its the inability some players and Iam referring mainly to our two major playmakers to stop playing Sheens style football. This hybrid style of football, where Farah plays a different role every second play is not working anymore. Potter is trying to introduce a very simple game plan that most clubs use,that is,play direct hard and fast, get to your kick and chase like mad. The only problem our play makers are still going side ways and trying all the trick stuff.

It must be very hard to change a style of football after playing the same way for a long time, but if we are going to progress it must happen. As I said,I think attitude is good execution is very poor

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm not saying i think the players want to lose or are happy to lose. I don't think any athlete would step onto a field with that mentality, not unless a fix was on. What i'm saying is our guys aren't willing to put in the extra effort required. Thats clear as day sometimes

 

[LaT]

To make a comparison look at Fifita. The guy has come along leaps and bounds and is being talked up as a potential Origin bolter. Haven't heard any reports of bad attitude, yet when he was here its all we ever heard.

"It was my attitude that I always thought I was hard done by," Fifita said.

"A lot of anger had built up. There was a lot of drama and stress with family and friends.

"It got to me and I was taking it to training. The final straw came when Elk yelled at me. So many things were rushing through my head, but he was just doing his job.

"I thought I'd get dropped (for storming out), but I didn't because Elk and (head coach) Shane Flanagan understood what I was going through.

"They just told me not to bring it to training and I think I'm over that stage."

The birth of his first child, Latu Jay, four months ago has helped Fifita settle.

But it was a previous hospital visit - to have his appendix removed last June - that delivered a more significant realisation.

"I watched some games in hospital and looked at what Paul Gallen did," Fifita said.

"He was always telling me, 'Look at the size of you, start using it'.

"Gal is straight up and down and just charges forward.

"Watching him, I started to realise how good I can be.

"So this year I've kept my running straight rather than going across field and relying on my fend."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/city-country-clash-offers-andrew-fifita-and-jorge-taufua-shot-at-redemption/story-fnex616o-1226624666183

So, by this article you're clearly suggesting has he had attitude problems at the Sharks as well. Ok, so why were they able to set him straight yet no one here could? not one person could pull him aside and tell him the same thing Gallen did?

I'm not suggesting anything, its Fifitas own words saying he had attitude issues and was still running sideways at Sharks.

As for what set him straight? No idea. Gallen being the best forward in the game and a terrific leader probably has a bit to do with it, along with the whole environment and support structure at Sharks.

Plenty of young footballers have attitude issues as they mature. I'm sure Tigers have steered their fair share towards a better life. By the same token there would be players Sharks have failed over time as well, Albert Kelly etc.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Who we sign for 2014? Its clear there is a cultural problem within the team of looking after your mate and having a near enough is good enough attitude. Continuously Talking a big game in the media to appease supporters, recognizing where you're going wrong yet never doing anything about it. I said the other day, the constant talk from our players reminds me of an alcoholic or drug addict, they say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, but whats the admission worth if you continue to relapse into bad habits?

Anyway, back to the point i was making, would it matter? It makes me wonder if Blair isn't the problem but instead his environment? To make a comparison look at Fifita. The guy has come along leaps and bounds and is being talked up as a potential Origin bolter. Haven't heard any reports of bad attitude, yet when he was here its all we ever heard. Apparently wasn't too popular with the rest of the squad, was he not part of the cliq? did what he say when he left about there being 2 dressing rooms have some truth to it? idk, but considering how tight the group are with each other you couldn't be surprised. I don't want to blame Potter cos these issues seemed to be there long before he arrived.

I believe the mateship and the ''brothers for life'' rubbish has been detrimental to the club. Sure its great to get along and be mates, but, at least to me they've taken it too far and its caused problems. Just look at Beau Ryan, supposedly loved the club to death and would bleed for it yet walked cos his best mate was getting shafted. Thats why this crap is a problem. I've never seen any other team before or since take their gf victory quite to the extremes that we did. Sure it would bring you closer but at the end of the day you still are just doing your job. They need to get through their heads they are professionals, not a pub team, and if someone isn't cutting it, they shouldn't be there regardless of who they are or the relationship they have with the rest of the squad.

The reason why i asked will it matter is cos of the culture problem within the squad. I fear whoever comes in, no matter who they are will blend in with the rest. My other fear is that this culture is going to be passed onto the next generation which would be a crime cos by all reports we have some of the best juniors in the game.

You raise some great points.

I think it's very clear there is a culture problem, to say otherwise is very naive.

**I don't think the players WANT to lose, the problem is that they don't seem to care if they do**, to add to that there is no accountability at the club and it starts from the very top.

This is the crux of the problem. Evidenced by Benji's attitude "I just wanna pway wif me mates."

 

[king_sirro]

Get rid of Marshall and not only will some players be happier, but it will show the rest that even the highest profile are not safe.

 

[stevetiger]

What i'm saying is our guys aren't willing to put in the extra effort required. Thats clear as day sometimes

Really ???

I doubt it is effort that is the problem. I'm pretty sure you have no idea how hard they are trying out there.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What i'm saying is our guys aren't willing to put in the extra effort required. Thats clear as day sometimes

Really ???

I doubt it is effort that is the problem. I'm pretty sure you have no idea how hard they are trying out there.

Yeah, Blair works his butt off doesn't he

 

[Fade_To_Black]

No team in the NRL loses as easily as us. Whenever things get a little bit willing or the game isn't going our way for even just a short period of time they nearly always just turn up their toes and surrender. That is the most frustrating part.
Every WT supporter just wants to see us have a real good go- even if we lose that doesn't matter, just don't bloody roll over and cop a hiding.
Have a look at the teams we have lost to this season, they all have probably had their most impressive games of the season against us, we have a habit of making teams look better than what they are. No team can play a side into form like us and that sucks.

Our recruitment needs to focus on getting genuine competitors into our squad, they are worth more than the flashy, lazy types who don't have the heart for a fight.

 

[tigerbalm]

Who we sign for 2014? Its clear there is a cultural problem within the team of looking after your mate and having a near enough is good enough attitude. Continuously Talking a big game in the media to appease supporters, recognizing where you're going wrong yet never doing anything about it. I said the other day, the constant talk from our players reminds me of an alcoholic or drug addict, they say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, but whats the admission worth if you continue to relapse into bad habits?

Anyway, back to the point i was making, would it matter? It makes me wonder if Blair isn't the problem but instead his environment? To make a comparison look at Fifita. The guy has come along leaps and bounds and is being talked up as a potential Origin bolter. Haven't heard any reports of bad attitude, yet when he was here its all we ever heard. Apparently wasn't too popular with the rest of the squad, was he not part of the cliq? did what he say when he left about there being 2 dressing rooms have some truth to it? idk, but considering how tight the group are with each other you couldn't be surprised. I don't want to blame Potter cos these issues seemed to be there long before he arrived.

I believe the mateship and the ''brothers for life'' rubbish has been detrimental to the club. Sure its great to get along and be mates, but, at least to me they've taken it too far and its caused problems. Just look at Beau Ryan, supposedly loved the club to death and would bleed for it yet walked cos his best mate was getting shafted. Thats why this crap is a problem. I've never seen any other team before or since take their gf victory quite to the extremes that we did. Sure it would bring you closer but at the end of the day you still are just doing your job. They need to get through their heads they are professionals, not a pub team, and if someone isn't cutting it, they shouldn't be there regardless of who they are or the relationship they have with the rest of the squad.

The reason why i asked will it matter is cos of the culture problem within the squad. I fear whoever comes in, no matter who they are will blend in with the rest. My other fear is that this culture is going to be passed onto the next generation which would be a crime cos by all reports we have some of the best juniors in the game.

the club fired the coach
got rid of Beau, Gibbs, hino (big part of the boys club)

I think they agree that there was/is a issue and they are trying to fix it.

Im not sure if Potter is the man to drive this change, i havent seen enough players being held accountable for poor perfomances but given the injury toll he dosnt have much choice at the moment. Im fully expecting to battle the spoon this year, see a improvement nest season and have a team of FG hardened young guys in '15 that will be gunning for finals footy.

All i want to see for the rest of the season is underperforming fg players being dropped for someone that wants to have a go….no matter who the payer is.

 

[stevetiger]

What i'm saying is our guys aren't willing to put in the extra effort required. Thats clear as day sometimes

Really ???

I doubt it is effort that is the problem. I'm pretty sure you have no idea how hard they are trying out there.

Yeah, Blair works his butt off doesn't he

To be fair I bet he is trying. I just think he doesn't have the motor, size, speed or skills. He has been a terrible buy.

 

[Oxygen]

GNR4LIFE you are spot on ,our major problem it is a boys club and the culture it brings with it, take it from me I heard from an extremely reliable source that there is a clicky group and one of our best players is well and truly over it and its not Benji or Farah.

As for potter he faces an up hill battle to change this culture and for it to happen some big fish will need to be fried.Whether this happens or not only time will tell but what I will you this group has a lot of say in this team and it needs to be sorted for this team to move forward.

 

[Adman]

There is no bad culture or any of this stupidity. Potter is putting the only team left on the field. A lot of inexperience and its all we got. The leadership has gone missing I must admit, but all we can do is go out there, have a dig and weather it.

Sometimes it's just a shit of a year. Get to the game and have a cheer…

All you can do is wear your heart on your sleeve.

See you at the game :sign:

 

[system]

Who we sign for 2014? Its clear there is a cultural problem within the team of looking after your mate and having a near enough is good enough attitude. Continuously Talking a big game in the media to appease supporters, recognizing where you're going wrong yet never doing anything about it. I said the other day, the constant talk from our players reminds me of an alcoholic or drug addict, they say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem, but whats the admission worth if you continue to relapse into bad habits?

Anyway, back to the point i was making, would it matter? It makes me wonder if Blair isn't the problem but instead his environment? To make a comparison look at Fifita. The guy has come along leaps and bounds and is being talked up as a potential Origin bolter. Haven't heard any reports of bad attitude, yet when he was here its all we ever heard. Apparently wasn't too popular with the rest of the squad, was he not part of the cliq? did what he say when he left about there being 2 dressing rooms have some truth to it? idk, but considering how tight the group are with each other you couldn't be surprised. I don't want to blame Potter cos these issues seemed to be there long before he arrived.

I believe the mateship and the ''brothers for life'' rubbish has been detrimental to the club. Sure its great to get along and be mates, but, at least to me they've taken it too far and its caused problems. Just look at Beau Ryan, supposedly loved the club to death and would bleed for it yet walked cos his best mate was getting shafted. Thats why this crap is a problem. I've never seen any other team before or since take their gf victory quite to the extremes that we did. Sure it would bring you closer but at the end of the day you still are just doing your job. They need to get through their heads they are professionals, not a pub team, and if someone isn't cutting it, they shouldn't be there regardless of who they are or the relationship they have with the rest of the squad.

The reason why i asked will it matter is cos of the culture problem within the squad. I fear whoever comes in, no matter who they are will blend in with the rest. My other fear is that this culture is going to be passed onto the next generation which would be a crime cos by all reports we have some of the best juniors in the game.

the club fired the coach
got rid of Beau, Gibbs, hino (big part of the boys club)

I think they agree that there was/is a issue and they are trying to fix it.

Im not sure if Potter is the man to drive this change, i havent seen enough players being held accountable for poor perfomances but given the injury toll he dosnt have much choice at the moment. Im fully expecting to battle the spoon this year, see a improvement nest season and have a team of FG hardened young guys in '15 that will be gunning for finals footy.

All i want to see for the rest of the season is underperforming fg players being dropped for someone that wants to have a go….no matter who the payer is.

And i absolutely cursed Mark Geyer when he predicted we would be spooners this year….!!!!

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