Worrying

[innsaneink]

JT has done the job I believe he was solely brought here to do…remove farah....hes the hatchet man, now he'll be judged on coaching alone and he should only have a year if that to do it in

 

[tigers2005]

Rankin, Lovett, Kevie, Simona, Brooks, Edwards.. should i keep going. Either not first grade level or out of form and no accountability. When your not held accountable, then you know a mediocre performance is fine.

For me though its all about JT's mantra on defence. His whole philosophy was on improving our defence. 2nd last defence, even worse than last year. Time to go.

Lets go with the non favourites Hunt Chee-Kam Peni Heleta Littlejohn Cassel….Undefeated Minor Premiers for sure...

Taylor may well go...the issues will not...they have been here since 2012...

Choosing the same team and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity…..

Who is asking to be minor premiers? If you have the players you named available give them a shot especially if the favourites arent pulling their weight. Maybe if they knew their spot was based on performance then a spot in reggies would do them a world of good.

Pretty much the same team beat the Warriors and Cowboys…insanity....It is also proven that teams that use the least amount of players go very well and deep into the finals building combinations...What you are suggesting is a chop and change approach...I don't know of any Coach in the NRL that does that...

Oh my bad, the second worst defensive team should not hold their players accountable because it will lead to choping and changing which means we miss out on finals. Or maybe in our case it would have lead to new players who can tackle and having a better chance of finals. Your argument is so flawed its hilarious.

 

[Eddie]

JT has done the job I believe he was solely brought here to do…remove farah....hes the hatchet man, now he'll be judged on coaching alone and he should only have a year if that to do it in

Sounds like a good fiction Movie.

Action Thriller?

Horror?

 

[supercoach]

It's not about Taylor, it's all about our roster. It's a combination of some young kids on p plates,a couple of standout marque players mixed with a heap of reserve graders. We have over achieved this year and next year will not be any better without us introducing some hard big players, and with no cap space that ain't going to happen

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Well JT has already made a change with defence for next year given Kidwell won't be with us - you know th defensive and forward coach we have had over the last few years….

If we are being honest we should have been at least 4pts higher, we shouldnt have lost to the Titans or Knights - we did.

We showed improvement in some areas in others we didn't. We took a large step up from last years performance on the back half of this season. The team needs to use that as a building block for next year and see a large improvement across the park.

 

[tigers2005]

JT has done the job I believe he was solely brought here to do…remove farah....hes the hatchet man, now he'll be judged on coaching alone and he should only have a year if that to do it in

Sounds like a good fiction Movie.

Action Thriller?

Horror?

I thought he was solely brought in to fix up our defence, something he told us the other coaches weve had had failed to do. Turns out it was a Horror fiction movie lol.

 

[Geo]

Lets go with the non favourites Hunt Chee-Kam Peni Heleta Littlejohn Cassel….Undefeated Minor Premiers for sure...

Taylor may well go...the issues will not...they have been here since 2012...

Choosing the same team and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity…..

Who is asking to be minor premiers? If you have the players you named available give them a shot especially if the favourites arent pulling their weight. Maybe if they knew their spot was based on performance then a spot in reggies would do them a world of good.

Pretty much the same team beat the Warriors and Cowboys…insanity....It is also proven that teams that use the least amount of players go very well and deep into the finals building combinations...What you are suggesting is a chop and change approach...I don't know of any Coach in the NRL that does that...

Oh my bad, the second worst defensive team should not hold their players accountable because it will lead to choping and changing which means we miss out on finals. Or maybe in our case it would have lead to new players who can tackle and having a better chance of finals. Your argument is so flawed its hilarious.

So you know by dropping players we make the 8…Which players in our Squad would dramatically improve the 2nd worst defence in the Comp...I'm sure you watch a great deal of State Cup ....

 

[Eddie]

It's not about Taylor, it's all about our roster. It's a combination of some young kids on p plates,a couple of standout marque players mixed with a heap of reserve graders. We have over achieved this year and next year will not be any better without us introducing some hard big players, and with no cap space that ain't going to happen

Coach I think we need a couple of big and aggressive players that much was obvious today. There are holes in the roster no doubt about it.

Now you and me prob sit slightly on opposite sides of the fence in regards to the coach.

However our roster is not terrible. We have Origin players and some good young players. I would say our roster is between 7th and 12th best. We were made to look very ordinary today by a really hot side. They exposed what you rightly said are some holes in the rosters in terms of size , power and aggression.

I am sure other clubs would be very interested in the likes of a Teddy, Brooks, Moses, Addo Carr, Woods, ET. Even a Simona, Nofo oif they were on the market.

Wests Tigers have talent. JT has said it himself we need to be doing better with the talent we have. We have plenty of players between that 50-1000 game mark that should be getting better.

This year was a pass mark however next year we need to do better. We can't just throw our hands up and go if we dont get any players in it will be worse and dont blame the coach.

Moses and Brooks are not on P plates anymore for mine, they have played 3 seasons and I think next year we can expect more again from the,. Nathan Clearly is on P plates and he is doing very well.

Next year we can't be making excuses, it is time to deliver.

 

[Eddie]

JT has done the job I believe he was solely brought here to do…remove farah....hes the hatchet man, now he'll be judged on coaching alone and he should only have a year if that to do it in

Sounds like a good fiction Movie.

Action Thriller?

Horror?

I thought he was solely brought in to fix up our defence, something he told us the other coaches weve had had failed to do. Turns out it was a Horror fiction movie lol.

The measurements get changed by some of his deflectors.

I like to point out some of his positive work and some of his work that he has not been able to bring up to standard. I have given him big credit this year for getting the side up after big losses, fixing the injuries, alternating the style. However they are also some negatives and question marks

Others wont have one bad word about him or that anything in the world might have anything to do with him like having 50 put on you at home when you need a win to make finals.

I have heard Taylor say things like

Our defence will be better and has been very soft in the past.

We need to be doing better with the talent at our disposal.

However his own fans wont hold him accountable to even his own words.

Its weird.

 

[tigers2005]

Choosing the same team and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity…..

Who is asking to be minor premiers? If you have the players you named available give them a shot especially if the favourites arent pulling their weight. Maybe if they knew their spot was based on performance then a spot in reggies would do them a world of good.

Pretty much the same team beat the Warriors and Cowboys…insanity....It is also proven that teams that use the least amount of players go very well and deep into the finals building combinations...What you are suggesting is a chop and change approach...I don't know of any Coach in the NRL that does that...

Oh my bad, the second worst defensive team should not hold their players accountable because it will lead to choping and changing which means we miss out on finals. Or maybe in our case it would have lead to new players who can tackle and having a better chance of finals. Your argument is so flawed its hilarious.

So you know by dropping players we make the 8…Which players in our Squad would dramatically improve the 2nd worst defence in the Comp...I'm sure you watch a great deal of State Cup ....

No i dont know it would, but why else do you have a toyota cup and reggies team? Is it just for fun. Or are they meant to be feeder teams for first grade. Michael chee kam is someone we have re-signed, guess what he plays centre in reggies. When one of your centres cant tackle and the other has been missing all year, you say have a spell in reggies, chee kam come in and see how he goes. No other coach in the NRL would have kept their right side defence the same if it was as bad as ours. I cant believe your arguing about making players accountable and calling players up. Its been happening for a hundred years. Talking about combinations and chopping and changing, didnt see you have much issue with rankin going to hooker, and half the team being re-shuffled to give a halatau a break. Please…...

 

[851]

JT has done the job I believe he was solely brought here to do…remove farah....hes the hatchet man, now he'll be judged on coaching alone and he should only have a year if that to do it in

Sounds like a good fiction Movie.

Action Thriller?

Horror?

I thought he was solely brought in to fix up our defence, something he told us the other coaches weve had had failed to do. Turns out it was a Horror fiction movie lol.

The measurements get changed by some of his deflectors.

They should speak for him at press conference.

I like to point out some of his positive work and some of his work that he has not been able to bring up to standard.

Others wont have one bad word about him or that anything in the world might have anything to do with him like having 50 put on you at home when you need a win to make finals.

I have heard Taylor say things like

Our defence will be better and has been very soft in the past.

We need to be doing better with the talent at our disposal.

However his own fans wont hold him accountable to even his own words.

Its weird.

That is the word JT uttered when he punted Farah, but alas it is just a word, he knows nothing about, nor do his supporters.

 

[jirskyr]

Lets go with the non favourites Hunt Chee-Kam Peni Heleta Littlejohn Cassel….Undefeated Minor Premiers for sure...

Taylor may well go...the issues will not...they have been here since 2012...

Choosing the same team and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity…..

Who is asking to be minor premiers? If you have the players you named available give them a shot especially if the favourites arent pulling their weight. Maybe if they knew their spot was based on performance then a spot in reggies would do them a world of good.

Pretty much the same team beat the Warriors and Cowboys…insanity....It is also proven that teams that use the least amount of players go very well and deep into the finals building combinations...What you are suggesting is a chop and change approach...I don't know of any Coach in the NRL that does that...

Oh my bad, the second worst defensive team should not hold their players accountable because it will lead to choping and changing which means we miss out on finals. Or maybe in our case it would have lead to new players who can tackle and having a better chance of finals. Your argument is so flawed its hilarious.

I think the argument goes a little deeper than that - you are assuming the alternative players can tackle. You are assuming the coach is picking blokes who cannot tackle.

What Geo is saying, I think, is you have to develop what you think is your best roster/team and work hard on making that team viable, mentally and physically ready for games, looking for some form of consistency and building in the run into the finals.

Pulling players in and out based on last week's game does not do any of these things, except destabilise the team and ruin player combinations / form.

 

[Geo]

Pretty much the same team beat the Warriors and Cowboys…insanity....It is also proven that teams that use the least amount of players go very well and deep into the finals building combinations...What you are suggesting is a chop and change approach...I don't know of any Coach in the NRL that does that...

Oh my bad, the second worst defensive team should not hold their players accountable because it will lead to choping and changing which means we miss out on finals. Or maybe in our case it would have lead to new players who can tackle and having a better chance of finals. Your argument is so flawed its hilarious.

So you know by dropping players we make the 8…Which players in our Squad would dramatically improve the 2nd worst defence in the Comp...I'm sure you watch a great deal of State Cup ....

No i dont know it would, but why else do you have a toyota cup and reggies team? Is it just for fun. Or are they meant to be feeder teams for first grade. Michael chee kam is someone we have re-signed, guess what he plays centre in reggies. When one of your centres cant tackle and the other has been missing all year, you say have a spell in reggies, chee kam come in and see how he goes. No other coach in the NRL would have kept their right side defence the same if it was as bad as ours. I cant believe your arguing about making players accountable and calling players up. Its been happening for a hundred years. Talking about combinations and chopping and changing, didnt see you have much issue with rankin going to hooker, and half the team being re-shuffled to give a halatau a break. Please…...

Thought so…

 

[tigers2005]

Choosing the same team and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity…..

Who is asking to be minor premiers? If you have the players you named available give them a shot especially if the favourites arent pulling their weight. Maybe if they knew their spot was based on performance then a spot in reggies would do them a world of good.

Pretty much the same team beat the Warriors and Cowboys…insanity....It is also proven that teams that use the least amount of players go very well and deep into the finals building combinations...What you are suggesting is a chop and change approach...I don't know of any Coach in the NRL that does that...

Oh my bad, the second worst defensive team should not hold their players accountable because it will lead to choping and changing which means we miss out on finals. Or maybe in our case it would have lead to new players who can tackle and having a better chance of finals. Your argument is so flawed its hilarious.

I think the argument goes a little deeper than that - you are assuming the alternative players can tackle. You are assuming the coach is picking blokes who cannot tackle.

What Geo is saying, I think, is you have to develop what you think is your best roster/team and work hard on making that team viable, mentally and physically ready for games, looking for some form of consistency and building in the run into the finals.

Pulling players in and out based on last week's game does not do any of these things, except destabilise the team and ruin player combinations / form.

Have you seen any improvement in our right hand side defence? Has kevie improved his defence reads? So how many bad games do you need to have before you get dropped? And how do you know the reggies player you bring in wont do a better job if you dont give him a shot. When you drop a player it is so they go to reggies , work hard on their deficiencies and come back to first grade when they do.

Consistency, is one thing we dont have. Beat cowboys, lose to titans, smashed by penrith, beat warriors, smashed by raiders. What consistency are we talking about. Dropping a centre who has no idea in defence will have a bad impact on your team, are you for real lol.

 

[jirskyr]

Pretty much the same team beat the Warriors and Cowboys…insanity....It is also proven that teams that use the least amount of players go very well and deep into the finals building combinations...What you are suggesting is a chop and change approach...I don't know of any Coach in the NRL that does that...

Oh my bad, the second worst defensive team should not hold their players accountable because it will lead to choping and changing which means we miss out on finals. Or maybe in our case it would have lead to new players who can tackle and having a better chance of finals. Your argument is so flawed its hilarious.

I think the argument goes a little deeper than that - you are assuming the alternative players can tackle. You are assuming the coach is picking blokes who cannot tackle.

What Geo is saying, I think, is you have to develop what you think is your best roster/team and work hard on making that team viable, mentally and physically ready for games, looking for some form of consistency and building in the run into the finals.

Pulling players in and out based on last week's game does not do any of these things, except destabilise the team and ruin player combinations / form.

Have you seen any improvement in our right hand side defence? Has kevie improved his defence reads? So how many bad games do you need to have before you get dropped? And how do you know the reggies player you bring in wont do a better job if you dont give him a shot. When you drop a player it is so they go to reggies , work hard on their deficiencies and come back to first grade when they do.

Consistency, is one thing we dont have. Beat cowboys, lose to titans, smashed by penrith, beat warriors, smashed by raiders. What consistency are we talking about. Dropping a centre who has no idea in defence will have a bad impact on your team, are you for real lol.

Because I watch reggies, that's how I know.

They had Tyler Cassel defending in the centres the other day, a skinny 2nd rower. Cassel and Chance Peni. You want to call those boys up? Watson Heleta maybe deserves a run, but we need to recruit centres because we've got nothing in the cupboard.

 

[tigers2005]

Oh my bad, the second worst defensive team should not hold their players accountable because it will lead to choping and changing which means we miss out on finals. Or maybe in our case it would have lead to new players who can tackle and having a better chance of finals. Your argument is so flawed its hilarious.

I think the argument goes a little deeper than that - you are assuming the alternative players can tackle. You are assuming the coach is picking blokes who cannot tackle.

What Geo is saying, I think, is you have to develop what you think is your best roster/team and work hard on making that team viable, mentally and physically ready for games, looking for some form of consistency and building in the run into the finals.

Pulling players in and out based on last week's game does not do any of these things, except destabilise the team and ruin player combinations / form.

Have you seen any improvement in our right hand side defence? Has kevie improved his defence reads? So how many bad games do you need to have before you get dropped? And how do you know the reggies player you bring in wont do a better job if you dont give him a shot. When you drop a player it is so they go to reggies , work hard on their deficiencies and come back to first grade when they do.

Consistency, is one thing we dont have. Beat cowboys, lose to titans, smashed by penrith, beat warriors, smashed by raiders. What consistency are we talking about. Dropping a centre who has no idea in defence will have a bad impact on your team, are you for real lol.

Because I watch reggies, that's how I know.

They had Tyler Cassel defending in the centres the other day, a skinny 2nd rower. Cassel and Chance Peni. You want to call those boys up? Watson Heleta maybe deserves a run, but we need to recruit centres because we've got nothing in the cupboard.

We do , his name is Michael Chee kam. He was 18th man for so long until 2 weeks ago. He deserved a shot even if it was just to teach kevie a lesson.

 

[Bird is the Word]

The team is going on the right direction, they just need to work on their mental preparation for big games as they seem to get overwhelmed and continue working on improving their defence. They have a strong team already, if they can improve these two areas they will give the top 4 a nudge next year…

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Like others, I believe next year is make or break for JT. He's nailed his nuts to the wall now with the sacking of Kidwell, so he'll need to ensure whomever he brings in to shore up the defence, they do a good job of it. I am loathe to tear into Moses too much as he's been stellar in the last two months but he saved his worst game for last yesterday, some of those non-efforts in defense were very poor.

With the Farah saga now behind the club, hopefully there's a bit of coin in the kitty to either resign ET and utilise him as a ball playing lock, or let him go and bring in a decent centre and second rower.

 

[razor7]

Given that Moses is a very poor defender and that we will keep him, you cannot run with Kevvie and Simona in the centres. One has no capacity to read the game in defence and the other goes missing. This should be the number one fixit area followed by a decent goal kicker and a big bopper

 

[jadtiger]

I don't want to seemed to be pinning it all on Taylor. We has undoubtably done some good things at the club. He has fixed up our injuries and made us more professional in some areas.

I just did not like the way he was very gung ho about talking down past Wests Tigers as soft teams.

He bagged previous coaches. He has run Robbie out of town.

Now thats all fine if you can back that up with results.

However on his biggest day they have 50 put on them in front of a sold out home crowd. And one of our best players is skulling beers sitting on the scoreboard

The irony was not lost on me.

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