Would you care if the club was absorbed by another club?

I just can’t see a way out of it for the club. They’re just so backwards.
Privatisation Tito, but not to just anyone. We're so far behind how the other clubs are run financially we need someone or a consortium that can dump money into it so we can catch up then dump more so we can start clawing our way ahead. In virtually every department we either have less staff, less qualified staff cause theyre cheaper or just don't have a programme. What blows my mind is we are in a game of developing junior talent through our nursery. No matter any player at some point was a junior who was identified by a club and picked up. That's the back bone of any club. Successfull clubs have recruitment programms and pathways to identify and nurture these kids through their football programmes. Roosters I'm pretty sure have about 5 scouts at any given time out looking, who also back up as assistants and perform other various tasks at the club. We have 1 Shannon Gallant. With our catchment we have 1 scout who's job it is to identify the talent. It's pathetic. We can't compete. Richo opened an office in Campbelltown, to do what? What is it there for? Is it somehow making us money? Seriously what is it. Is it a recruitment tool, like the army you go in and sign up?
Hbg have left us treading water on the smell of an oily rag from day one. Wests Campbelltown, Ashfield and Balmain Leagues were all deadbeat useless owners who argue about the colour of a jersey or size of a strip bird instead of funding us properly. You want to fix the joint, get rid of the braindead deadbeat owners we have once and for all and privatise to a consortium who understand business and that in this game putting money into the joint creates success that in turn creates wealth. Hbg have been at the helm now for over a decade, we've been a mess and achieved nothing. Yet do you think that they have ever just said to the ceo or board were upping our funding or here's some money to put somewhere, with out asking without being asked, they just said here's funds use them. If I'm running the joint after 10 years with no success first thing I'm doing is looking at how the successfull clubs are being funded and how I'm funding mine. Not our fantastic owners. They do sweet f.a. They asked Richo if he needed more funds he said no. As a professional he's too proud to say yes, he should suck up his pride for the good of the joint and say throw as much at us as you can. And Hbg, shouldn't even ask if they really give a toss, they should just throw money at him, they're a not for profit arnt they, so what do they care, it's all supposed to go back to the community anyway. It's an enditment on our owners that after 10 years with no success they must assume its normal or they would just force the issue not ask if we need funds. Morons. Deadbeats. Sorry that's my rant over.
 
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I often read posts and don't comment or react. Cochise's post being one of them.
You're a bit obsessive, @BZN
I hope you have a lovely day. Do something to increase your dopamine. I'm heading into work, and on the way, I'm going to the Cowra POW camp, and taking a short walk to appreciate the scenery, take a few photos, consider the price paid by men and women in war-time. Might head to the Japanese Gardens and grab a coffee and a yummy cake while I'm there 🥰☕️🍰
Obsessive to the point of harrassment.
 
Serious question & sorry if this has been covered, why do HBG not invest more heavily in the Wests Tigers so we can have similar resources in recruitment, pathways & coaching etc as our competitors? Very simple question if anyone close to the debenture holders can answer please.
 
Privatisation Tito, but not to just anyone. We're so far behind how the other clubs are run financially we need someone or a consortium that can dump money into it so we can catch up then dump more so we can start clawing our way ahead. In virtually every department we either have less staff, less qualified staff cause theyre cheaper or just don't have a programme. What blows my mind is we are in a game of developing junior talent through our nursery. No matter any player at some point was a junior who was identified by a club and picked up. That's the back bone of any club. Successfull clubs have recruitment programms and pathways to identify and nurture these kids through their football programmes. Roosters I'm pretty sure have about 5 scouts at any given time out looking, who also back up as assistants and perform other various tasks at the club. We have 1 Shannon Gallant. With our catchment we have 1 scout who's job it is to identify the talent. It's pathetic. We can't compete. Richo opened an office in Campbelltown, to do what? What is it there for? Is it somehow making us money? Seriously what is it. Is it a recruitment tool, like the army you go in and sign up?
Hbg have left us treading water on the smell of an oily rag from day one. Wests Campbelltown, Ashfield and Balmain Leagues were all deadbeat useless owners who argue about the colour of a jersey or size of a strip bird instead of funding us properly. You want to fix the joint, get rid of the braindead deadbeat owners we have once and for all and privatise to a consortium who understand business and that in this game putting money into the joint creates success that in turn creates wealth. Hbg have been at the helm now for over a decade, we've been a mess and achieved nothing. Yet do you think that they have ever just said to the ceo or board were upping our funding or here's some money to put somewhere, with out asking without being asked, they just said here's funds use them. If I'm running the joint after 10 years with no success first thing I'm doing is looking at how the successfull clubs are being funded and how I'm funding mine. Not our fantastic owners. They do sweet f.a. They asked Richo if he needed more funds he said no. As a professional he's too proud to say yes, he should suck up his pride for the good of the joint and say throw as much at us as you can. And Hbg, shouldn't even ask if they really give a toss, they should just throw money at him, they're a not for profit arnt they, so what do they care, it's all supposed to go back to the community anyway. It's an enditment on our owners that after 10 years with no success they must assume its normal or they would just force the issue not ask if we need funds. Morons. Deadbeats. Sorry that's my rant over.
Wow liltiger, that was quite a rant...full of energy, frustration, and some compelling calls for change.
You've put a lot out there, and while some points definitely resonate, I think it's worth looking at a few with a critical eye.

But first...for me personally it's usually 'all quiet on the Western [Suburbs] front'.
That is at least until someone squinted at a Magpie logo or the colour on a Magpie wingtip became a declaration of war.

Now back to you.
Privatisation has its appeal when things feel stuck, but it's not a cure all.
So, before we sign over the keys, we need clarity...do we actually have fewer staff?
What are the benchmarks?
Same with the claim that the Roosters have 5 scouts...maybe they do, but where is that info coming from?
And is Shannon Gallant really our only scout, or just the most visible one?

As for Richo opening an office in Campbelltown...what if it's laying the groundwork for something more strategic in Wests Magpies heartland?
Not every move comes with a press release, but that doesn't mean it's meaningless.

And while Balmain Leagues have certainly had their dysfunctions, Wests weren't deadbeats. They've had their own struggles, sure, but also showed resilience and kept the lights on during hard times.

Arguments over jersey design and the size of the Magpie on the shoulder are trivial, yet they reveal deeper tensions...perhaps distractions, from what I believe have been caused by old Balmain fans like @cochise, whose attack on HBG through Liquor & Gaming appeared aimed at destabilising the board rather than advancing the club.

You mention they asked Richo if he needed more funds and he said no.
So, is he too proud or too pragmatic? Could be both.
Still, the idea that HBG should just throw $$$ at him unprompted, maybe true, but that speaks to structural reform more than individual action.

And look, I hear your final callout...morons and deadbeats is bold language.
But if that frustration helps crack open the deeper conversations we need, then maybe your rant served its purpose.

My final final callout to you is...Have A Great Day 🙂.
 
Arguments over jersey design and the size of the Magpie on the shoulder are trivial, yet they reveal deeper tensions...perhaps distractions, from what I believe have been caused by old Balmain fans like @cochise, whose attack on HBG through Liquor & Gaming appeared aimed at destabilising the board rather than advancing the club.
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Yes I would care if the club was absorbed by another club. Takes long enough to come to terms with a merge let alone being absorbed.

I will never give up on the club if they don't give up on me. I wear it as a badge of honour, I don't support successful because it looks good, I support my club because they are my club.

And when / if the day comes that Wests Tigers are not consistently shit, I will revel in the success in a way that high-flying clubs won't understand. I hope you guys are still there with me.
 
Wow liltiger, that was quite a rant...full of energy, frustration, and some compelling calls for change.
You've put a lot out there, and while some points definitely resonate, I think it's worth looking at a few with a critical eye.

But first...for me personally it's usually 'all quiet on the Western [Suburbs] front'.
That is at least until someone squinted at a Magpie logo or the colour on a Magpie wingtip became a declaration of war.

Now back to you.
Privatisation has its appeal when things feel stuck, but it's not a cure all.
So, before we sign over the keys, we need clarity...do we actually have fewer staff?
What are the benchmarks?
Same with the claim that the Roosters have 5 scouts...maybe they do, but where is that info coming from?
And is Shannon Gallant really our only scout, or just the most visible one?

As for Richo opening an office in Campbelltown...what if it's laying the groundwork for something more strategic in Wests Magpies heartland?
Not every move comes with a press release, but that doesn't mean it's meaningless.

And while Balmain Leagues have certainly had their dysfunctions, Wests weren't deadbeats. They've had their own struggles, sure, but also showed resilience and kept the lights on during hard times.

Arguments over jersey design and the size of the Magpie on the shoulder are trivial, yet they reveal deeper tensions...perhaps distractions, from what I believe have been caused by old Balmain fans like @cochise, whose attack on HBG through Liquor & Gaming appeared aimed at destabilising the board rather than advancing the club.

You mention they asked Richo if he needed more funds and he said no.
So, is he too proud or too pragmatic? Could be both.
Still, the idea that HBG should just throw $$$ at him unprompted, maybe true, but that speaks to structural reform more than individual action.

And look, I hear your final callout...morons and deadbeats is bold language.
But if that frustration helps crack open the deeper conversations we need, then maybe your rant served its purpose.

My final final callout to you is...Have A Great Day 🙂.
Jerry Harvey explained it best. To be sucessfull stay in your lane and do what you specialise in and aim to be the best at it. Hbg, Wests Campbelltown and Balmain Leagues know entertainment and hospitality. They know absolutly nothing about rugby league. They make or made they're money through entertainment, food, pokies. We finally has a boardroom with independence and business nonce. We are hamstrung by the clubs underfunding. I got this from Adel Hage a former women's coach when they were in the Harvey Norman comp he discussed it in a podcast how we are underfunded and constantly behind the 8 ball. He worked in the club was there amongst it, has a pretty balanced view from what I can tell, he is a fan, though if some of the figures that are being thrown around by other forum members in other conversations are to be believed it's shameful.
 
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Wow liltiger, that was quite a rant...full of energy, frustration, and some compelling calls for change.
You've put a lot out there, and while some points definitely resonate, I think it's worth looking at a few with a critical eye.

But first...for me personally it's usually 'all quiet on the Western [Suburbs] front'.
That is at least until someone squinted at a Magpie logo or the colour on a Magpie wingtip became a declaration of war.

Now back to you.
Privatisation has its appeal when things feel stuck, but it's not a cure all.
So, before we sign over the keys, we need clarity...do we actually have fewer staff?
What are the benchmarks?
Same with the claim that the Roosters have 5 scouts...maybe they do, but where is that info coming from?
And is Shannon Gallant really our only scout, or just the most visible one?

As for Richo opening an office in Campbelltown...what if it's laying the groundwork for something more strategic in Wests Magpies heartland?
Not every move comes with a press release, but that doesn't mean it's meaningless.

And while Balmain Leagues have certainly had their dysfunctions, Wests weren't deadbeats. They've had their own struggles, sure, but also showed resilience and kept the lights on during hard times.

Arguments over jersey design and the size of the Magpie on the shoulder are trivial, yet they reveal deeper tensions...perhaps distractions, from what I believe have been caused by old Balmain fans like @cochise, whose attack on HBG through Liquor & Gaming appeared aimed at destabilising the board rather than advancing the club.

You mention they asked Richo if he needed more funds and he said no.
So, is he too proud or too pragmatic? Could be both.
Still, the idea that HBG should just throw $$$ at him unprompted, maybe true, but that speaks to structural reform more than individual action.

And look, I hear your final callout...morons and deadbeats is bold language.
But if that frustration helps crack open the deeper conversations we need, then maybe your rant served its purpose.

My final final callout to you is...Have A Great Day 🙂.
@BZN it has been posted elsewhere that the Liquor and Gaming investigation was instigated by an HBG board member, not Garry. You really need to stop.
 
@BZN it has been posted elsewhere that the Liquor and Gaming investigation was instigated by an HBG board member, not Garry. You really need to stop.
My apologies, I must have confused it with him heading the Wests Tigers Unite group and the action they wanted to take against Wests Ashfield debenture holders that then lead on to Liquor & Gaming becoming involved...is this correct now?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
My apologies for not seeing this. But it looks like no one else has seen it either, as there has been zero

You say the best house on the worst street isn't worth the investment 🥲.

But part of our heartland heritage isn't real estate...it's identity.

The Macarthur region may not dazzle some investors, but it anchors a few generations.

If loyalty were a currency, CSS would be priceless.

What's truly antithetical is chasing sterile $$$ in Parramatta while turning our backs on the community that helped build us.

Some clubs chase trends...others stand for something else.

I know which side I'm on.
Grow up - the Macarthur region is not and was never the heartland of the Western Suburbs District Rugby League Football Club!

They only relocated games to Orana Park in 87 as a last resort because they couldn't make a quid in a self-run raffle!

Zero funding comes from the parasitic co-named WESTS Campbelltown - but the WT football club is beholden to governance and funding from a fricking pseudo-Casino/Leagues Club in ASHFIELD!!

Get off your high horse clown!
 
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