Youth Policy paying off for Cowboys

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Could Wests Tigers learn from the Cowboys experience?

Cowboys' rookie strategy paying dividends

Sat 06 Jun, 2015, 9:00am
By Steven Ross, North Queensland Correspondent, NRL.com

The Cowboys have done a lot for their collective confidence after a shock 0-3 start to 2015, but one of their main points of difference over the past two months has come from a surprising source.

They have played Jenga with a Brisbane-based sports psychologist and tinkered with preparation habits for both home and away games, but North Queensland has also used their fringe players strategically over that time. The three winless weeks turned out to be a blessing in disguise as it forced coach Paul Green’s hand at the selection table and made the club conscious of the importance of managing emotions and keeping morale high from early in the season. Since then, both injury and good Intrust Super Cup form has brought nine new faces into Cowboys sides since Round 1, with all but one player aged 25 or under. Boom 21-year-old forward Patrick Kaufusi is the next in line, having been listed at 18th man twice this year before being omitted closer to game day.

Centre Kane Linnett says that those on the cusp of selection bring a natural energy that is unparalleled throughout the group and is something the club has fed off throughout the season.

“You can definitely sense that excitement in the younger boys trying to make their way into the team,” Linnett told NRL.com. “That energy is definitely infectious for all the boys and it’s great for all of us. They’ve been working hard for a long time now and it gives the whole group an energy boost.

“Spina has been in the system for a couple of years and he’s been doing a good job and I’m really excited for him. Patrick (Kaufusi) has got a big career [ahead of him] as well.” On-field success makes everything easier, but it especially rings true for the fledgling players trying to forge a permanent playing spot in the NRL side. As Linnett notes, coming into a winning team makes the transition into first grade easier for young players because there is no added pressure to do more than what they are capable. “Everyone coming into the team knows they have a job to do and so far the boys that have come in have done an awesome job,” he said.

Fellow centre Justin O’Neill recalls his top grade debut and the energy he and other young inclusions brought to the club at the time. O’Neill debuted in the Origin period for the Storm against the Sydney Roosters in Round 14, 2010 and says the new experience made it the most memorable.
“I got named at fullback but ended up playing on the wing. I think Greg Inglis was out, someone went in and I was pretty nervous but at the same time a little bit excited,” O’Neill told NRL.com.

“The whole preparation, being with the squad and everything, it was all new and I didn’t know what to expect. I think with those kinds of experiences you end up bringing a lot more energy to the team and playing well. “You can definitely see it when someone is really eager to get in there and have a crack, you can feel it in the sheds before the game, it’s good. “I remember everything being new and I felt like it made everything more exciting.”

Whether the blooding of young players during the first half of the season has been a conscious coaching decision or simply a product of circumstance, the confidence of Green and his group has skyrocketed since Round 3 and it has largely come from those on the periphery.
 
I'm sure many of our players would look fabulous playing outside Thurston and Morgan and playing behind a pack that has Matt Scott ,Jason Taumalolo ,James Tamou , Ethan Lowe ,Ben Hannant and Gavin Cooper in it
 
The Cowboy halves are allowed to play what is in front of them. End of comparison.
 
@Tiger In The Gong said:
The Cowboy halves are allowed to play what is in front of them. End of comparison.

Because their forward pack earns them the right to do so and gets good field position

And then in defence they bash the opposition and force them to kick from unfavourable field position

Eventually this takes it toll and Thurston and Morgan play off the back of that

That's why the Cowboys win lots of games late , they get in the grind and win the forward battle and as most things the benefits of that are found late in halves

How many times do you see Granville run late in games v tiring defences and they capitalize off that
 
Last night Finch, Fitler and Andrew Johns all agreed on the structure hampering the young halves.

There are opportunities on the first 4 tackles that we are not exploring because the players have a structure they must stick to.

Opposition teams with decent coaches have worked it out, compress the defence early then prepare the fullback for the bomb with players dropping back to provide cover for him.

Cowboys have one of the greatest off the cuff players the game has seen, if he sees it he kills it.As i said no comparison here.
 
@happy tiger said:
I'm sure many of our players would look fabulous playing outside Thurston and Morgan and playing behind a pack that has Matt Scott ,Jason Taumalolo ,James Tamou , Ethan Lowe ,Ben Hannant and Gavin Cooper in it

Outside Thurston and Morgan? Only a few months ago until Taylor got his own selfish way Moses and Brooks were tipped to be future world beaters. Now they are playing to State Cup level at best.
 
@Newtown said:
@happy tiger said:
I'm sure many of our players would look fabulous playing outside Thurston and Morgan and playing behind a pack that has Matt Scott ,Jason Taumalolo ,James Tamou , Ethan Lowe ,Ben Hannant and Gavin Cooper in it

Outside Thurston and Morgan? Only a few months ago until Taylor got his own selfish way Moses and Brooks were tipped to be future world beaters. Now they are playing to State Cup level at best.

No reason they can't be future world beaters either

Only problem that many think the future is one or two weeks away
 
@happy tiger said:
@Newtown said:
@happy tiger said:
I'm sure many of our players would look fabulous playing outside Thurston and Morgan and playing behind a pack that has Matt Scott ,Jason Taumalolo ,James Tamou , Ethan Lowe ,Ben Hannant and Gavin Cooper in it

Outside Thurston and Morgan? Only a few months ago until Taylor got his own selfish way Moses and Brooks were tipped to be future world beaters. Now they are playing to State Cup level at best.

No reason they can't be future world beaters either

Only problem that many think the future is one or two weeks away

No no one is saying that.
 
No one is saying that at all Happy.
Not one single person…has ever intimated, suggested or declared that.
Keep saying it though because it is really impactful and supports your argument.

Meanwhile the rest of us will keep hoping that while structure is added to our defence, our attack will be resurrected and maybe just maybe we will see game plans designed that are specific to the opposition of the day.
 
@Newtown said:
@happy tiger said:
I'm sure many of our players would look fabulous playing outside Thurston and Morgan and playing behind a pack that has Matt Scott ,Jason Taumalolo ,James Tamou , Ethan Lowe ,Ben Hannant and Gavin Cooper in it

Outside Thurston and Morgan? Only a few months ago until Taylor got his own selfish way Moses and Brooks were tipped to be future world beaters. Now they are playing to State Cup level at best.

. A few years back the dogs let Thurston go , and kept Anasta , Brooks and Moses will come good, hate to have the same thing happen here " just saying"

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@stryker said:
No one is saying that at all Happy.
Not one single person…has ever intimated, suggested or declared that.
Keep saying it though because it is really impactful and supports your argument.

Meanwhile the rest of us will keep hoping that while structure is added to our defence, our attack will be resurrected and maybe just maybe we will see game plans designed that are specific to the opposition of the day.

As I've said a hundred times the attack is still there , Taylor is telling them that it must be earned when they are in good field position

That must be obvious

He doesn't want them attacking from their own 20 to get out of trouble as we have in the past

You've misunderstood the 1-2 weeks comment

its not aimed at Brooks and Moses , people seem to think our defence will be a quick fix , it won't be

If it takes 3 months , it takes 3 months
 
The attack is there only when the forwards dent the line, our forward pack is killing us ATM.

Early on we saw multiple forwards crack 100m a game now aside from Woods the forwards struggle to make 70-80 with more hit ups per game on average since. Our tackle busts aside from Teddy are drying up as are the offloads.

We let in 78% of points during the 20-45min mark whilst during this period allowing 74% of the time a try off the back of a penalty. Those are very telling stats which highlights a larger problem than structure with the players who come on for Woods, Galloway and Marty not capable of performing up to NRL standard.

Whilst structure and limitations are a clear tactic from JT we have bigger issues than that currently IMO.

- Forward depth and quality
- Centers
- Quality backrowers

We are being found out not because of the stratergy but because of the lack of current NRL quality we have in our team. The players may build up into something especially if the rules change next year on interchanges but of the current crop I have concerns.

Our spine I'm comfortable with, once they have the right support and are allowed to play points will come thick and fast.

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Taylor could be pulling a Mr Miagi. Getting them to run the basics over and over and then slowly introduce new set plays and strategies. These players are young, he might have seen this year as a write off and is thinking long term.
Or not. Idk.
 
@Mighty Tiger said:
The attack is there only when the forwards dent the line, our forward pack is killing us ATM.

Early on we saw multiple forwards crack 100m a game now aside from Woods the forwards struggle to make 70-80 with more hit ups per game on average since. Our tackle busts aside from Teddy are drying up as are the offloads.

We let in 78% of points during the 20-45min mark whilst during this period allowing 74% of the time a try off the back of a penalty. Those are very telling stats which highlights a larger problem than structure with the players who come on for Woods, Galloway and Marty not capable of performing up to NRL standard.

Whilst structure and limitations are a clear tactic from JT we have bigger issues than that currently IMO.

- Forward depth and quality
- Centers
- Quality backrowers

We are being found out not because of the stratergy but because of the lack of current NRL quality we have in our team. The players may build up into something especially if the rules change next year on interchanges but of the current crop I have concerns.

Our spine I'm comfortable with, once they have the right support and are allowed to play points will come thick and fast.

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Nice analysis.

Last year we started really well on the back of great forwards momentum. Those early Souths and Manly wins were based on great carries, with huge energy coming off the bench.

Our forwards are far more light on this year. Once we get an injury or two we are relying on guys like Santi and Lovett, who aren't consistently up to standard. They try really hard, but they remind me of the Shirnacks - all good intention but fundamentally lacking in class. Lodge, Sue, Ava, Akauola, Funaki… these guys are not consistently reliable first graders yet.

A first-choice starting backrow of Siro, Sarge and Taupau is very inexperienced and honestly quite average. Giving some perspective, they total 114 FG games experience. A player like Beau Scott, alone, has 190 matches. Sharks, by comparison, ran out a backrow last Sunday with 631 games experience.

Marty Taupau has taken his game to another level since we signed him, but he is now our second-best forward by some margin, and that is quite worrying. He has a lot more work to do on his game still.
 
@Mighty Tiger said:
The attack is there only when the forwards dent the line, our forward pack is killing us ATM.

Early on we saw multiple forwards crack 100m a game now aside from Woods the forwards struggle to make 70-80 with more hit ups per game on average since. Our tackle busts aside from Teddy are drying up as are the offloads.

We let in 78% of points during the 20-45min mark whilst during this period allowing 74% of the time a try off the back of a penalty. Those are very telling stats which highlights a larger problem than structure with the players who come on for Woods, Galloway and Marty not capable of performing up to NRL standard.

Whilst structure and limitations are a clear tactic from JT we have bigger issues than that currently IMO.

- Forward depth and quality
- Centers
- Quality backrowers

We are being found out not because of the stratergy but because of the lack of current NRL quality we have in our team. The players may build up into something especially if the rules change next year on interchanges but of the current crop I have concerns.

Our spine I'm comfortable with, once they have the right support and are allowed to play points will come thick and fast.

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A percentage of this still comes back to the coach. As Jirskyr mentioned our forward pack was holding its own, even dominating at times last year.

The same basic pack is still there, the biggest issue has been the drop in performance when he takes Taupau, Galloway and Woods off the field at the same time.

The other issue is how one out all the forwards are running under the new structure.

Have to say though that of all our problems the forwards are the easiest one to fix, thats if he can bring himself to make some adjustments.

Id like Woods and Ava as starting props

Id like a backrow of Sirro, Lawrence and Sue

With most importantly a bench of Halatau, Taupau, Galloway and Lodge.

The pack is still there, just not being used right by a coach who is too stubborn to see it.
 
We have three current internationals and a former international in our forward pack and it is not performing. I think you are correct about the coach.
 
@Tiger In The Gong said:
@Mighty Tiger said:
The attack is there only when the forwards dent the line, our forward pack is killing us ATM.

Early on we saw multiple forwards crack 100m a game now aside from Woods the forwards struggle to make 70-80 with more hit ups per game on average since. Our tackle busts aside from Teddy are drying up as are the offloads.

We let in 78% of points during the 20-45min mark whilst during this period allowing 74% of the time a try off the back of a penalty. Those are very telling stats which highlights a larger problem than structure with the players who come on for Woods, Galloway and Marty not capable of performing up to NRL standard.

Whilst structure and limitations are a clear tactic from JT we have bigger issues than that currently IMO.

- Forward depth and quality
- Centers
- Quality backrowers

We are being found out not because of the stratergy but because of the lack of current NRL quality we have in our team. The players may build up into something especially if the rules change next year on interchanges but of the current crop I have concerns.

Our spine I'm comfortable with, once they have the right support and are allowed to play points will come thick and fast.

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A percentage of this still comes back to the coach. As Jirskyr mentioned our forward pack was holding its own, even dominating at times last year.

The same basic pack is still there, the biggest issue has been the drop in performance when he takes Taupau, Galloway and Woods off the field at the same time.

The other issue is how one out all the forwards are running under the new structure.

Have to say though that of all our problems the forwards are the easiest one to fix, thats if he can bring himself to make some adjustments.

Id like Woods and Ava as starting props

Id like a backrow of Sirro, Lawrence and Sue

With most importantly a bench of Halatau, Taupau, Galloway and Lodge.

The pack is still there, just not being used right by a coach who is too stubborn to see it.

From the starting pack last year that dominated early we are missing Fulton, Blair and Thompson - our starting backrow…...

A lot of our forwards aren't up to NRL standard yet. Ava and Sue are struggling. Lovett and Sirro are struggling. Marty is lacking consistency. Lodge has shown promise but has other issues. Buch isn't even a NRL bench warmer quality.

The squad needs a kick in the forwards we don't have any big boppers or consistant performs

Thaiday, Tamou let alone Shillington, Grant or Grevishim would be a lift above our current mob.
 

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