LIVE GAME Wests Tigers v Melbourne Storm..

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cktiger said:
You're right about punting Brooks.
He could have the NSW backline next to him and still turn the ball inside to kill the play.
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When people stop arguing with you, it does not mean that you have won, it means you are not worth arguing with.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Let's look at the numbers:

Storm missed 4 goals including 2 very easy penalties - they should've scored 30pts which is right on average to last year average points scored.

We had 10% more possession, made 35 more hitups & 200 more meters. The 2nd half completion rate was sitting around 60% for most of the half due to dumb mistakes, bad roster management leading to fatigue. Most of the ball was within the 30-30 zones granted but we didn't even look like creating a line break.

Now to rub salt more into how ineffective we are with the ball.
* For the 1st 50mins we had over 60% of possession, at one point it was above 65%.
* We had the fastest play the ball speed of any team so far this round by nearly half a second for the full game, it was faster when during 1st 40mins.
* We had nearly double the offloads to the Storm
* We made more than 80 passes in general play
* We had managed to get a goal line dropout.
* We could only get 2 line breaks, both of which aren't general play breaks they were in the process of scoring out wide.

We didn't create 1 line break in general play in 80mins of football, didn't come close.

We had a better tackle effectiveness, missed less tackles & had only 13 ineffective tackles
We restricted the Storm to less offloads and in play passes.
The Storm did however have the 2nd fastest play the ball speed so far this season.
Despite that the Storm made 5 line breaks, scored 5 tries.

Our bench rotation is questionable. Garner got 10mins at the end & we finished the game with a rotation left. Simpkin needed a break sooner, Kelma was getting gassed and slower line recovery speed during the last 5-8mins of the 1st half, 2nd half he started to fade about the 55th minute mark.

The game was fast, both teams play the balls was quicker than any other NRL game so far. This is a good sign for us, last year we were one of the slowest.

We showed more intent in the forwards with ruck speed, our play width and defensive structures in general was under control. We had one of the cleanest games defensive wise on statistics. Cayless has clearly been working the forwards will be interested to see if we can maintain and grow with this.

Simpkin provides great ball service & our play the ball speed slowed by over half a second when he was off - but defensive wise struggles, 4 missed tackles, 2 ineffective and 3 penalties in 60mins of which 3 tries came off the back of. Storm in the 2nd half targeted him.

Brooks made 29 tackles (Joe was the only one who made more with 30), now let's compare him with Hughes who made 18 missed 3 and had 5 ineffective tackles. Hastings on the other side only had to make 10 tackles. The Storm kept hammering Brooks edge to break it down over time which they did. Brooks needs help from his inside men to prevent teams running at him all the time. We haven't changed tactics to reduce his workload. With the ball he touched the ball as often as Simpkin - 64 touches (Hughes 40, Hastings 56), his work rate was brilliant the issue is he is asked to do too much as such cannot be effective.

Gildart is a big risk for me defensively coming from the ESL and his size was something I was concerned about. His 1st NRL game didn't ease those concerns. 8 tackles, 2 missed and 2 ineffective is the worst defensive stat line of the night at 66.67%.

The 2nd half blowout was the cause of mistakes & defensive breakdowns. We had a 10% shift in completing our sets during the time the Storm took control of the match. It was simple mistakes but those mistakes were actually a cause of defensive breakdowns by the Storm on key players (Gildart, Simpkin, Brooks, Kelma). Issue for me here is we had zero capability to pull the team together and toughen up to halt the run.

Look after watching the game a 2nd time after reviewing the stats I did see some promise but also saw enough to suggest same old same old. We ran out of speed with covering, ruck hold downs and forward coverage which could be a risk of how aggressive we went in the 1st 40mins. We just struggled once the Storm got on top and didn't know how to combat it which was similar to last year.
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Well written and great perspective, i wish others dropped their bias, and used common sense, but then i would have nothing to laugh at!
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Let's look at the numbers:

Storm missed 4 goals including 2 very easy penalties - they should've scored 30pts which is right on average to last year average points scored.

We had 10% more possession, made 35 more hitups & 200 more meters. The 2nd half completion rate was sitting around 60% for most of the half due to dumb mistakes, bad roster management leading to fatigue. Most of the ball was within the 30-30 zones granted but we didn't even look like creating a line break.

Now to rub salt more into how ineffective we are with the ball.
* For the 1st 50mins we had over 60% of possession, at one point it was above 65%.
* We had the fastest play the ball speed of any team so far this round by nearly half a second for the full game, it was faster when during 1st 40mins.
* We had nearly double the offloads to the Storm
* We made more than 80 passes in general play
* We had managed to get a goal line dropout.
* We could only get 2 line breaks, both of which aren't general play breaks they were in the process of scoring out wide.

We didn't create 1 line break in general play in 80mins of football, didn't come close.

We had a better tackle effectiveness, missed less tackles & had only 13 ineffective tackles
We restricted the Storm to less offloads and in play passes.
The Storm did however have the 2nd fastest play the ball speed so far this season.
Despite that the Storm made 5 line breaks, scored 5 tries.

Our bench rotation is questionable. Garner got 10mins at the end & we finished the game with a rotation left. Simpkin needed a break sooner, Kelma was getting gassed and slower line recovery speed during the last 5-8mins of the 1st half, 2nd half he started to fade about the 55th minute mark.

The game was fast, both teams play the balls was quicker than any other NRL game so far. This is a good sign for us, last year we were one of the slowest.

We showed more intent in the forwards with ruck speed, our play width and defensive structures in general was under control. We had one of the cleanest games defensive wise on statistics. Cayless has clearly been working the forwards will be interested to see if we can maintain and grow with this.

Simpkin provides great ball service & our play the ball speed slowed by over half a second when he was off - but defensive wise struggles, 4 missed tackles, 2 ineffective and 3 penalties in 60mins of which 3 tries came off the back of. Storm in the 2nd half targeted him.

Brooks made 29 tackles (Joe was the only one who made more with 30), now let's compare him with Hughes who made 18 missed 3 and had 5 ineffective tackles. Hastings on the other side only had to make 10 tackles. The Storm kept hammering Brooks edge to break it down over time which they did. Brooks needs help from his inside men to prevent teams running at him all the time. We haven't changed tactics to reduce his workload. With the ball he touched the ball as often as Simpkin - 64 touches (Hughes 40, Hastings 56), his work rate was brilliant the issue is he is asked to do too much as such cannot be effective.

Gildart is a big risk for me defensively coming from the ESL and his size was something I was concerned about. His 1st NRL game didn't ease those concerns. 8 tackles, 2 missed and 2 ineffective is the worst defensive stat line of the night at 66.67%.

The 2nd half blowout was the cause of mistakes & defensive breakdowns. We had a 10% shift in completing our sets during the time the Storm took control of the match. It was simple mistakes but those mistakes were actually a cause of defensive breakdowns by the Storm on key players (Gildart, Simpkin, Brooks, Kelma). Issue for me here is we had zero capability to pull the team together and toughen up to halt the run.

Look after watching the game a 2nd time after reviewing the stats I did see some promise but also saw enough to suggest same old same old. We ran out of speed with covering, ruck hold downs and forward coverage which could be a risk of how aggressive we went in the 1st 40mins. We just struggled once the Storm got on top and didn't know how to combat it which was similar to last year.
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Really good analysis. What we have is a soft underbelly that shows itself when the moments get big. It’s a lack of senior players who have nailed that execution time and time again under pressure. We need a couple of alpha males in the forwards e.g. Luke Lewis, Victor Radley, Boyd cordner. Our playmakers are not top echelon but they aren’t the major issue.
 
sleeve said:
Well written and great perspective, i wish others dropped their bias, and used common sense, but then i would have nothing to laugh at!
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We played the Storm. Who did you tip and by how much? It's the first game of the season with a brand new 5/8, brand new centre and a few blokes with handful of games between them, playing a top 4 team, and you're acting like the comp just ended.
 
BAGNF05 said:
Really good analysis. What we have is a soft underbelly that shows itself when the moments get big. It’s a lack of senior players who have nailed that execution time and time again under pressure. We need a couple of alpha males in the forwards e.g. Luke Lewis, Victor Radley, Boyd cordner. Our playmakers are not top echelon but they aren’t the major issue.
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I actually don't think we are far off.
We need a lock, Backrower and Center.

Api is going to be big for us. Simpkin needs time, people forget this kid is the youngest hooker in the NRL by 3yrs.... yeap 3yrs....

He is for the majority holding his own for 50mins or so. He started against a quality front row Welch/Smith/NA. His passing game was crack on point majority of the game & his option taking I was impressed with (even his dart short of the line was on). He also hit low and got off the ball runner quickly into marker. I'm convinced this kid will make it and be a bloody good one. Yes he got isolated and tired but he has alot less miles in the legs and body conditioning compared to any of the other hookers in the game atm.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Let's look at the numbers:

Storm missed 4 goals including 2 very easy penalties - they should've scored 30pts which is right on average to last year average points scored.

We had 10% more possession, made 35 more hitups & 200 more meters. The 2nd half completion rate was sitting around 60% for most of the half due to dumb mistakes, bad roster management leading to fatigue. Most of the ball was within the 30-30 zones granted but we didn't even look like creating a line break.

Now to rub salt more into how ineffective we are with the ball.
* For the 1st 50mins we had over 60% of possession, at one point it was above 65%.
* We had the fastest play the ball speed of any team so far this round by nearly half a second for the full game, it was faster when during 1st 40mins.
* We had nearly double the offloads to the Storm
* We made more than 80 passes in general play
* We had managed to get a goal line dropout.
* We could only get 2 line breaks, both of which aren't general play breaks they were in the process of scoring out wide.

We didn't create 1 line break in general play in 80mins of football, didn't come close.

We had a better tackle effectiveness, missed less tackles & had only 13 ineffective tackles
We restricted the Storm to less offloads and in play passes.
The Storm did however have the 2nd fastest play the ball speed so far this season.
Despite that the Storm made 5 line breaks, scored 5 tries.

Our bench rotation is questionable. Garner got 10mins at the end & we finished the game with a rotation left. Simpkin needed a break sooner, Kelma was getting gassed and slower line recovery speed during the last 5-8mins of the 1st half, 2nd half he started to fade about the 55th minute mark.

The game was fast, both teams play the balls was quicker than any other NRL game so far. This is a good sign for us, last year we were one of the slowest.

We showed more intent in the forwards with ruck speed, our play width and defensive structures in general was under control. We had one of the cleanest games defensive wise on statistics. Cayless has clearly been working the forwards will be interested to see if we can maintain and grow with this.

Simpkin provides great ball service & our play the ball speed slowed by over half a second when he was off - but defensive wise struggles, 4 missed tackles, 2 ineffective and 3 penalties in 60mins of which 3 tries came off the back of. Storm in the 2nd half targeted him.

Brooks made 29 tackles (Joe was the only one who made more with 30), now let's compare him with Hughes who made 18 missed 3 and had 5 ineffective tackles. Hastings on the other side only had to make 10 tackles. The Storm kept hammering Brooks edge to break it down over time which they did. Brooks needs help from his inside men to prevent teams running at him all the time. We haven't changed tactics to reduce his workload. With the ball he touched the ball as often as Simpkin - 64 touches (Hughes 40, Hastings 56), his work rate was brilliant the issue is he is asked to do too much as such cannot be effective.

Gildart is a big risk for me defensively coming from the ESL and his size was something I was concerned about. His 1st NRL game didn't ease those concerns. 8 tackles, 2 missed and 2 ineffective is the worst defensive stat line of the night at 66.67%.

The 2nd half blowout was the cause of mistakes & defensive breakdowns. We had a 10% shift in completing our sets during the time the Storm took control of the match. It was simple mistakes but those mistakes were actually a cause of defensive breakdowns by the Storm on key players (Gildart, Simpkin, Brooks, Kelma). Issue for me here is we had zero capability to pull the team together and toughen up to halt the run.

Look after watching the game a 2nd time after reviewing the stats I did see some promise but also saw enough to suggest same old same old. We ran out of speed with covering, ruck hold downs and forward coverage which could be a risk of how aggressive we went in the 1st 40mins. We just struggled once the Storm got on top and didn't know how to combat it which was similar to last year.
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Great Summary.

All this and we failed to beat a team that has just about been the benchmark for the last 10 years, including being angry they didn't make (and win) the GF last year after winning 19 or 20 straight last year.

I'll still give it until mid season to decide if we have improved or not.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
I actually don't think we are far off.
We need a lock, Backrower and Center.

Api is going to be big for us. Simpkin needs time, people forget this kid is the youngest hooker in the NRL by 3yrs.... yeap 3yrs....

He is for the majority holding his own for 50mins or so. He started against a quality front row Welch/Smith/NA. His passing game was crack on point majority of the game & his option taking I was impressed with (even his dart short of the line was on). He also hit low and got off the ball runner quickly into marker. I'm convinced this kid will make it and be a bloody good one. Yes he got isolated and tired but he has alot less miles in the legs and body conditioning compared to any of the other hookers in the game atm.
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I have been saying we are three or four top level players off for several years. Take 3 or 4 stars out of the top 4 sides and you have Wests Tigers. Back row and centre on both sides are the issue. It’s paper mache out there.
 
Swordy said:
Great Summary.

All this and we failed to beat a team that has just about been the benchmark for the last 10 years, including being angry they didn't make (and win) the GF last year after winning 19 or 20 straight last year.

I'll still give it until mid season to decide if we have improved or not.
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It’s the nature of the capitulation after a strong first half. Melbourne piled on the points quickly last year too. I think we all know we can get up for a 40 min performance now and then. Consistency will again be our issue.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
I actually don't think we are far off.
We need a lock, Backrower and Center.

Api is going to be big for us. Simpkin needs time, people forget this kid is the youngest hooker in the NRL by 3yrs.... yeap 3yrs....

He is for the majority holding his own for 50mins or so. He started against a quality front row Welch/Smith/NA. His passing game was crack on point majority of the game & his option taking I was impressed with (even his dart short of the line was on). He also hit low and got off the ball runner quickly into marker. I'm convinced this kid will make it and be a bloody good one. Yes he got isolated and tired but he has alot less miles in the legs and body conditioning compared to any of the other hookers in the game atm.
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Yes I agree.
I thought his service was too slow, however he is young and learning every day. By the time API steps aside, he will be ready to rock and roll.
 
stryker 69 said:
Yes I agree.
I thought his service was too slow, however he is young and learning every day. By the time API steps aside, he will be ready to rock and roll.
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Yeah he will be 22 or 23 based on if Api's last season offer is taken up.
At 22 he still would be the youngest starting hooker, at 23 he would be the top 3-4 youngest hookers based on this season alone. Huge upside to this kid - he is one we need to keep.
 
it aint that bad

pls see attached

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mmmm 15th and 16th spot teams looking juicy, there both versing each other next week lol.
Battle Of The Spoon
 
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