LIVE GAME Wests Tigers v Melbourne Storm..

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Harvey said:
Great win by the boys.

38-6 win, with a great game from our half and obviously best player in the NRL Luke Brooks. Great way to open the season and look to be on track to capture our 3rd premiership in a row.

Don't believe what you see in MSM or the choreographed actors broadcast on fox and channel 9, we are the benchmark, and what other clubs aspire to.

I know some of you may wonder what I am talking about, but I am following the example seen in other threads. If you don't like reality, just come up with an alternate one.
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Also in the top 10 posts of the year so far. very much laughed out loud!
 
Harvey said:
Great win by the boys.

38-6 win, with a great game from our half and obviously best player in the NRL Luke Brooks. Great way to open the season and look to be on track to capture our 3rd premiership in a row.

Don't believe what you see in MSM or the choreographed actors broadcast on fox and channel 9, we are the benchmark, and what other clubs aspire to.

I know some of you may wonder what I am talking about, but I am following the example seen in other threads. If you don't like reality, just come up with an alternate one.
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*caution* *caution* patient 524 has not taken his meds, code ORANGE code ORAGE, patient showing signs of belief in the tigers, exercise extreme caution
 
Let's look at the numbers:

Storm missed 4 goals including 2 very easy penalties - they should've scored 30pts which is right on average to last year average points scored.

We had 10% more possession, made 35 more hitups & 200 more meters. The 2nd half completion rate was sitting around 60% for most of the half due to dumb mistakes, bad roster management leading to fatigue. Most of the ball was within the 30-30 zones granted but we didn't even look like creating a line break.

Now to rub salt more into how ineffective we are with the ball.
* For the 1st 50mins we had over 60% of possession, at one point it was above 65%.
* We had the fastest play the ball speed of any team so far this round by nearly half a second for the full game, it was faster when during 1st 40mins.
* We had nearly double the offloads to the Storm
* We made more than 80 passes in general play
* We had managed to get a goal line dropout.
* We could only get 2 line breaks, both of which aren't general play breaks they were in the process of scoring out wide.

We didn't create 1 line break in general play in 80mins of football, didn't come close.

We had a better tackle effectiveness, missed less tackles & had only 13 ineffective tackles
We restricted the Storm to less offloads and in play passes.
The Storm did however have the 2nd fastest play the ball speed so far this season.
Despite that the Storm made 5 line breaks, scored 5 tries.

Our bench rotation is questionable. Garner got 10mins at the end & we finished the game with a rotation left. Simpkin needed a break sooner, Kelma was getting gassed and slower line recovery speed during the last 5-8mins of the 1st half, 2nd half he started to fade about the 55th minute mark.

The game was fast, both teams play the balls was quicker than any other NRL game so far. This is a good sign for us, last year we were one of the slowest.

We showed more intent in the forwards with ruck speed, our play width and defensive structures in general was under control. We had one of the cleanest games defensive wise on statistics. Cayless has clearly been working the forwards will be interested to see if we can maintain and grow with this.

Simpkin provides great ball service & our play the ball speed slowed by over half a second when he was off - but defensive wise struggles, 4 missed tackles, 2 ineffective and 3 penalties in 60mins of which 3 tries came off the back of. Storm in the 2nd half targeted him.

Brooks made 29 tackles (Joe was the only one who made more with 30), now let's compare him with Hughes who made 18 missed 3 and had 5 ineffective tackles. Hastings on the other side only had to make 10 tackles. The Storm kept hammering Brooks edge to break it down over time which they did. Brooks needs help from his inside men to prevent teams running at him all the time. We haven't changed tactics to reduce his workload. With the ball he touched the ball as often as Simpkin - 64 touches (Hughes 40, Hastings 56), his work rate was brilliant the issue is he is asked to do too much as such cannot be effective.

Gildart is a big risk for me defensively coming from the ESL and his size was something I was concerned about. His 1st NRL game didn't ease those concerns. 8 tackles, 2 missed and 2 ineffective is the worst defensive stat line of the night at 66.67%.

The 2nd half blowout was the cause of mistakes & defensive breakdowns. We had a 10% shift in completing our sets during the time the Storm took control of the match. It was simple mistakes but those mistakes were actually a cause of defensive breakdowns by the Storm on key players (Gildart, Simpkin, Brooks, Kelma). Issue for me here is we had zero capability to pull the team together and toughen up to halt the run.

Look after watching the game a 2nd time after reviewing the stats I did see some promise but also saw enough to suggest same old same old. We ran out of speed with covering, ruck hold downs and forward coverage which could be a risk of how aggressive we went in the 1st 40mins. We just struggled once the Storm got on top and didn't know how to combat it which was similar to last year.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Let's look at the numbers:

Storm missed 4 goals including 2 very easy penalties - they should've scored 30pts which is right on average to last year average points scored.

We had 10% more possession, made 35 more hitups & 200 more meters. The 2nd half completion rate was sitting around 60% for most of the half due to dumb mistakes, bad roster management leading to fatigue. Most of the ball was within the 30-30 zones granted but we didn't even look like creating a line break.

Now to rub salt more into how ineffective we are with the ball.
* For the 1st 50mins we had over 60% of possession, at one point it was above 65%.
* We had the fastest play the ball speed of any team so far this round by nearly half a second for the full game, it was faster when during 1st 40mins.
* We had nearly double the offloads to the Storm
* We made more than 80 passes in general play
* We had managed to get a goal line dropout.
* We could only get 2 line breaks, both of which aren't general play breaks they were in the process of scoring out wide.

We didn't create 1 line break in general play in 80mins of football, didn't come close.

We had a better tackle effectiveness, missed less tackles & had only 13 ineffective tackles
We restricted the Storm to less offloads and in play passes.
The Storm did however have the 2nd fastest play the ball speed so far this season.
Despite that the Storm made 5 line breaks, scored 5 tries.

Our bench rotation is questionable. Garner got 10mins at the end & we finished the game with a rotation left. Simpkin needed a break sooner, Kelma was getting gassed and slower line recovery speed during the last 5-8mins of the 1st half, 2nd half he started to fade about the 55th minute mark.

The game was fast, both teams play the balls was quicker than any other NRL game so far. This is a good sign for us, last year we were one of the slowest.

We showed more intent in the forwards with ruck speed, our play width and defensive structures in general was under control. We had one of the cleanest games defensive wise on statistics. Cayless has clearly been working the forwards will be interested to see if we can maintain and grow with this.

Simpkin provides great ball service & our play the ball speed slowed by over half a second when he was off - but defensive wise struggles, 4 missed tackles, 2 ineffective and 3 penalties in 60mins of which 3 tries came off the back of. Storm in the 2nd half targeted him.

Brooks made 29 tackles (Joe was the only one who made more with 30), now let's compare him with Hughes who made 18 missed 3 and had 5 ineffective tackles. Hastings on the other side only had to make 10 tackles. The Storm kept hammering Brooks edge to break it down over time which they did. Brooks needs help from his inside men to prevent teams running at him all the time. We haven't changed tactics to reduce his workload. With the ball he touched the ball as often as Simpkin - 64 touches (Hughes 40, Hastings 56), his work rate was brilliant the issue is he is asked to do too much as such cannot be effective.

Gildart is a big risk for me defensively coming from the ESL and his size was something I was concerned about. His 1st NRL game didn't ease those concerns. 8 tackles, 2 missed and 2 ineffective is the worst defensive stat line of the night at 66.67%.

The 2nd half blowout was the cause of mistakes & defensive breakdowns. We had a 10% shift in completing our sets during the time the Storm took control of the match. It was simple mistakes but those mistakes were actually a cause of defensive breakdowns by the Storm on key players (Gildart, Simpkin, Brooks, Kelma). Issue for me here is we had zero capability to pull the team together and toughen up to halt the run.

Look after watching the game a 2nd time after reviewing the stats I did see some promise but also saw enough to suggest same old same old. We ran out of speed with covering, ruck hold downs and forward coverage which could be a risk of how aggressive we went in the 1st 40mins. We just struggled once the Storm got on top and didn't know how to combat it which was similar to last year.
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With a tiny bit of luck, Maumolo and Gildart ground the ball and we win the game. That's not same old, same old.
 
innsaneink said:
@Mighty_Tiger where do u find play the ball speed stats?

Thats a very in depth summary

I just count 5 tries conceded = not gunna win
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That's the problem.

One minute they look okay in defense. Then another 5 put on us.

Even though we score tries we just generally don't ask enough questions in attack through sets, maybe that's why opposition comes at us hard. Wes seem too predictable in attack and maybe just don't burn opposition out enough and our defense cops it.

We're just about the only team that seems to have a real clunky attack, guys standing still, high passes etc.
 
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Harvey said:
Great win by the boys.

38-6 win, with a great game from our half and obviously best player in the NRL Luke Brooks. Great way to open the season and look to be on track to capture our 3rd premiership in a row.

Don't believe what you see in MSM or the choreographed actors broadcast on fox and channel 9, we are the benchmark, and what other clubs aspire to.

I know some of you may wonder what I am talking about, but I am following the example seen in other threads. If you don't like reality, just come up with an alternate one.
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*stands and applauds*.] Comedy gold!
 
tigerballs said:
With a tiny bit of luck, Maumolo and Gildart ground the ball and we win the game. That's not same old, same old.
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I disagree. Most games over the last few years once something doesn't go our way we concede points quickly afterwards. We can say this and that, end of the day we couldn't weather the storm and change the run of play. 1 thing turned into 2 into 3 and so forth. We lapsed like we normally have.
 
10 point loss to a side with 2 less interchanges,

I guess that's some kind of progress from conceding a try with an extra man on the field , so I guess good work Madge.

Honestly the tigers are a glorified jersey flegg team.
 
Earl said:
It's a good point. We were going to Brooks a fair bit but he played well. Does Madge have to get Hastings more involved ?

Hastings though doesn't have the running game of Hughes. He looked slow. I get what you are stating and I sort of agree but at the same time Hastings didn't just take the ball and make a bust himself. That is what Hughes did.
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Hastings is not a running half like Hughes ... Brooks is supposed to do be doing that job.
Hastings is a game manager.
Unfortunately he is being overcalled by Brooks ...what will the Brooks fan boys say when they always blame his ineptitude on being overcalled? lol
 
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Blake said:
When a playmaker runs to the line it creates space and forces the defence to make fast decisions. When Brooks step back inside it is because there were no players outside him in position for a pass. There should be 3 guys there, ready to run into a hole, be a decoy, be outside the winger for a cut-out pass.
Unfortunately for the Tigers, the person most likely to create space is also the guy most likely to make a break when there is space and the guy most likely to be there in support. He is also the guy that sprints back and makes the tackle when one of the more clumsy players drops the balls then just looks at it on the ground.

We should punt Brooks, retire the 7 jersey and play with 12, that will teach the others to try harder.
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You're right about punting Brooks.
He could have the NSW backline next to him and still turn the ball inside to kill the play.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Let's look at the numbers:

Storm missed 4 goals including 2 very easy penalties - they should've scored 30pts which is right on average to last year average points scored.

We had 10% more possession, made 35 more hitups & 200 more meters. The 2nd half completion rate was sitting around 60% for most of the half due to dumb mistakes, bad roster management leading to fatigue. Most of the ball was within the 30-30 zones granted but we didn't even look like creating a line break.

Now to rub salt more into how ineffective we are with the ball.
* For the 1st 50mins we had over 60% of possession, at one point it was above 65%.
* We had the fastest play the ball speed of any team so far this round by nearly half a second for the full game, it was faster when during 1st 40mins.
* We had nearly double the offloads to the Storm
* We made more than 80 passes in general play
* We had managed to get a goal line dropout.
* We could only get 2 line breaks, both of which aren't general play breaks they were in the process of scoring out wide.

We didn't create 1 line break in general play in 80mins of football, didn't come close.

We had a better tackle effectiveness, missed less tackles & had only 13 ineffective tackles
We restricted the Storm to less offloads and in play passes.
The Storm did however have the 2nd fastest play the ball speed so far this season.
Despite that the Storm made 5 line breaks, scored 5 tries.

Our bench rotation is questionable. Garner got 10mins at the end & we finished the game with a rotation left. Simpkin needed a break sooner, Kelma was getting gassed and slower line recovery speed during the last 5-8mins of the 1st half, 2nd half he started to fade about the 55th minute mark.

The game was fast, both teams play the balls was quicker than any other NRL game so far. This is a good sign for us, last year we were one of the slowest.

We showed more intent in the forwards with ruck speed, our play width and defensive structures in general was under control. We had one of the cleanest games defensive wise on statistics. Cayless has clearly been working the forwards will be interested to see if we can maintain and grow with this.

Simpkin provides great ball service & our play the ball speed slowed by over half a second when he was off - but defensive wise struggles, 4 missed tackles, 2 ineffective and 3 penalties in 60mins of which 3 tries came off the back of. Storm in the 2nd half targeted him.

Brooks made 29 tackles (Joe was the only one who made more with 30), now let's compare him with Hughes who made 18 missed 3 and had 5 ineffective tackles. Hastings on the other side only had to make 10 tackles. The Storm kept hammering Brooks edge to break it down over time which they did. Brooks needs help from his inside men to prevent teams running at him all the time. We haven't changed tactics to reduce his workload. With the ball he touched the ball as often as Simpkin - 64 touches (Hughes 40, Hastings 56), his work rate was brilliant the issue is he is asked to do too much as such cannot be effective.

Gildart is a big risk for me defensively coming from the ESL and his size was something I was concerned about. His 1st NRL game didn't ease those concerns. 8 tackles, 2 missed and 2 ineffective is the worst defensive stat line of the night at 66.67%.

The 2nd half blowout was the cause of mistakes & defensive breakdowns. We had a 10% shift in completing our sets during the time the Storm took control of the match. It was simple mistakes but those mistakes were actually a cause of defensive breakdowns by the Storm on key players (Gildart, Simpkin, Brooks, Kelma). Issue for me here is we had zero capability to pull the team together and toughen up to halt the run.

Look after watching the game a 2nd time after reviewing the stats I did see some promise but also saw enough to suggest same old same old. We ran out of speed with covering, ruck hold downs and forward coverage which could be a risk of how aggressive we went in the 1st 40mins. We just struggled once the Storm got on top and didn't know how to combat it which was similar to last year.
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Well .. that proves Brooks is a dud.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
Let's look at the numbers:

Storm missed 4 goals including 2 very easy penalties - they should've scored 30pts which is right on average to last year average points scored.

We had 10% more possession, made 35 more hitups & 200 more meters. The 2nd half completion rate was sitting around 60% for most of the half due to dumb mistakes, bad roster management leading to fatigue. Most of the ball was within the 30-30 zones granted but we didn't even look like creating a line break.

Now to rub salt more into how ineffective we are with the ball.
* For the 1st 50mins we had over 60% of possession, at one point it was above 65%.
* We had the fastest play the ball speed of any team so far this round by nearly half a second for the full game, it was faster when during 1st 40mins.
* We had nearly double the offloads to the Storm
* We made more than 80 passes in general play
* We had managed to get a goal line dropout.
* We could only get 2 line breaks, both of which aren't general play breaks they were in the process of scoring out wide.

We didn't create 1 line break in general play in 80mins of football, didn't come close.

We had a better tackle effectiveness, missed less tackles & had only 13 ineffective tackles
We restricted the Storm to less offloads and in play passes.
The Storm did however have the 2nd fastest play the ball speed so far this season.
Despite that the Storm made 5 line breaks, scored 5 tries.

Our bench rotation is questionable. Garner got 10mins at the end & we finished the game with a rotation left. Simpkin needed a break sooner, Kelma was getting gassed and slower line recovery speed during the last 5-8mins of the 1st half, 2nd half he started to fade about the 55th minute mark.

The game was fast, both teams play the balls was quicker than any other NRL game so far. This is a good sign for us, last year we were one of the slowest.

We showed more intent in the forwards with ruck speed, our play width and defensive structures in general was under control. We had one of the cleanest games defensive wise on statistics. Cayless has clearly been working the forwards will be interested to see if we can maintain and grow with this.

Simpkin provides great ball service & our play the ball speed slowed by over half a second when he was off - but defensive wise struggles, 4 missed tackles, 2 ineffective and 3 penalties in 60mins of which 3 tries came off the back of. Storm in the 2nd half targeted him.

Brooks made 29 tackles (Joe was the only one who made more with 30), now let's compare him with Hughes who made 18 missed 3 and had 5 ineffective tackles. Hastings on the other side only had to make 10 tackles. The Storm kept hammering Brooks edge to break it down over time which they did. Brooks needs help from his inside men to prevent teams running at him all the time. We haven't changed tactics to reduce his workload. With the ball he touched the ball as often as Simpkin - 64 touches (Hughes 40, Hastings 56), his work rate was brilliant the issue is he is asked to do too much as such cannot be effective.

Gildart is a big risk for me defensively coming from the ESL and his size was something I was concerned about. His 1st NRL game didn't ease those concerns. 8 tackles, 2 missed and 2 ineffective is the worst defensive stat line of the night at 66.67%.

The 2nd half blowout was the cause of mistakes & defensive breakdowns. We had a 10% shift in completing our sets during the time the Storm took control of the match. It was simple mistakes but those mistakes were actually a cause of defensive breakdowns by the Storm on key players (Gildart, Simpkin, Brooks, Kelma). Issue for me here is we had zero capability to pull the team together and toughen up to halt the run.

Look after watching the game a 2nd time after reviewing the stats I did see some promise but also saw enough to suggest same old same old. We ran out of speed with covering, ruck hold downs and forward coverage which could be a risk of how aggressive we went in the 1st 40mins. We just struggled once the Storm got on top and didn't know how to combat it which was similar to last year.
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That fastest PTB stat is interesting. There were times where I thought it was horrendously slow.

Does it take into consideration the pass completion? I noted numerous times Melbourne players lying both sides of the dummy half in the way slowing the pass down? So the play the ball could be fast but still ineffective.
 
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