Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[BZN]

You cannot justify more money if you are at the pub getting drunk and probably playing on the slappers. If you can afford to do that then you don't ask for more money.

I am also all for helping the disadvantaged but not people who supposedly work their whole life and don't have a cent to their name. That is called poor decision making and there are consequences to that.

It's not 'always poor decision making' though @Earl
My 2nd job was with a State Govt Dept and I was paying the maximum $$$ into Superannuation via 1st State Super.
After a few years it was suggested I would receive over $1,000,000 when I retired.
The Liberal State Govt at the time reckoned they would be paying out to many $$$ so they slashed payouts by approx 50%.
Then the GFC came along and I lost approx another 50% or maybe even more by trusting and leaving my $$$ with State Super rather than putting it in the bank.
Then marriage problems came along and I now have next to zilch $$$ to live on.
There's a lot more people out there than just me Earl that have bad luck $$$ wise in their life, that now need financial help.

 

[earl]

There's a lot more people out there than just me Earl that have bad luck $$$ wise in their life, that now need financial help.

I totally agree. That is why I'm supportive of a good social security system.

At the same time if you can go to the pub and drink beer you can get another job if you want more beers.

 

[Mac]

I totally agree. That is why I'm supportive of a good social security system.

At the same time if you can go to the pub and drink beer you can get another job if you want more beers.

But Earl? What does a "good social security system" really mean. Huge question?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

A lot of underprivileged kids have gotten to sit in a cinema seat or similar that they wouldn't have been able to otherwise, as well as an additional staff member or two on the counter at my local theatre that weren't there previously.

It also allowed them to reduce the general admission price, which in turn spins the wheels of the economy as it gets back up to speed. Only an anecdotal view of business' experience, but a great example nonetheless.

I was being facetious mate at Earl's expense. I agree with the dine and discover stimulus package. It has helped a lot of businesses in the food retail and tourism sector post-lockdowns.

 

[Lee's fedora]

But Earl? What does a "good social security system" really mean. Huge question?

At the moment our social security system needs an upgrade most are living below the poverty line

 

[Tim Sheens]

G'day @formerguest ...Thanks 🙂 for your Very Kind thoughts.

My father was a gutless piece of crap who didnt have the inner strength to stick around when things got a bit tough, walking out on my Mother and my 2 elder brothers soon after I was born 75 years ago.
He had a good job that payed well, but on many occasions just happened to 'forget' to pay his maintenance leaving us to basically go hungry and just forgot we ever existed while he went on to have a very cosy life.
The kindness of my Mothers relatives got us thru.
I wont go into any further details, but life has had it's challenges from not having a true caring 'father figure' at home.
I try very hard to be positive and generally find it easier [and seem to get into less trouble] 🙁 in expressing my feelings in writing rather than actually speaking about my feelings.
Thanks to You 👍for giving me the opportunity to do just that.
Enjoy the rest of the day FG.

Always good to share that which one is comfortable with when ready and/or comfortable to do such.

Only ever seen one person on here have a go at you 63, and unwarranted at that, so hold your head as high as you can.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I want more government payments because I deserve Dom.

🍾

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

When did I say to stop paying social security ?

Anyway your argument is stupid. I've just said the money train has to stop. I haven't said don't pay people money during COVID.

I'm not responding to comments anymore when you aren't even replying to what I'm stating.

Do you keep track of anything you have said in this thread? You've contradicted yourself in that quote alone.

You're taking the piss mate, nothing you have said has been consistent, or made sense.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Josh is in a lot of trouble in his electorate. 53 to 47 against right now.

So is Tim Wilson nearby. Most of the Sydney candidates at risk from true liberals have some hope based on their crossing the floor in the last session of parliament, but their electorates will not put up with any more voting against their community's wants if they escape on 21 May.

Australia will show it is no longer beholden to fear campaigns and a few QLD representatives.

 

[Mac]

At the moment our social security system needs an upgrade most are living below the poverty line

It's a question for the times Lee. For every $100 spent on welfare let's see where the money goes. Let's say $40 is spent on non GST items so that leaves $60 (although that $40 goes into company profits and wages and etc). The rent someone pays to an investor gets taxed. The $60 spent on GST applicable items netts $5.50? At the end of the day, how much NETT has the govt paid.

I'm drinking on a Wednesday afternoon at 1.30pm so can't work it out lol.

 

[Mac]

So is Tim Wilson nearby. Most of the Sydney candidates at risk from true liberals have some hope based on their crossing the floor in the last session of parliament, but their electorates will not put up with any more voting against their community's wants if they escape on 21 May.

Australia will show it is no longer beholden to fear campaigns and a few QLD representatives.

Really interesting for the coalition formerguest. If all of these "moderate" Liberals get done, where does that leave the Coalition? The only people they had who were centre right/left have got the arse? They will be in a world of pain and should call Marion Anne Perrine for advice. Good luck with that.

God! I swore I wouldn't be sucked into this thread lol.

 

[earl]

But Earl? What does a "good social security system" really mean. Huge question?

It's tough. I want good education and health care for everyone and a minimum basic wage/payment. People need to improve their situations via hard work but you need to provide the opportunities for people to do that.

Then we need special support for special needs. So if you have a disability or some other issue that needs support. I suppose that comes under health care though.

I've worked with lots of people who come from India for instance. They don't expect the government to support them. My in-laws are Fillipino. They just have a different view of support. In stating that they are wealthy.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It's tough. I want good education and health care for everyone and a minimum basic wage/payment. People need to improve their situations via hard work but you need to provide the opportunities for people to do that.

Then we need special support for special needs. So if you have a disability or some other issue that needs support. I suppose that comes under health care though.

I've worked with lots of people who come from India for instance. They don't expect the government to support them. My in-laws are Fillipino. They just have a different view of support. In stating that they are wealthy.

The levels of support we provide through social security, aged care, health and the disability sectors is what differentiates Aust from many other countries. They have to improve significantly of course but that won't happen under Morrison.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I reckon he is one of the better libs. It's interesting how keen he was on getting the budget to surplus. I think he wanted to state he was a good economic manager.

Had no chance, despite withholding some $4 Billion of NDIS funding to the needy in his attempt, but would have gotten closer if they didn't spend so much money and time on the likes of black coffee mugs at our expense.

In truth the nation was teetering on the edge of recession in that period and covid was likely initially a form of blessing for the pretence of their economic credentials.

 

[Mac]

It's tough. I want good education and health care for everyone and a minimum basic wage. People need to improve their situations via hard work but you need to provide the opportunities to people to do that.

Then we need special support for special needs. So if you have a disability or some other issue that needs support. I suppose that comes under health care though.

I've worked with lots of people who come from India for instance. They don't expect the government to support them. My in-laws are Fillipino. They just have a different view of support. In stating that they are wealthy.

Earl, just my view, but when (Labor I think?) went down the rabbit hole of making tertiary qualifications very expensive, we took the wrong fork in the road. The coalition has made it worse?

I was lucky enough to benefit from free tertiary education in the late 70's (something I didn't finish for which I am eternally grateful - long story) but prior (and post that period) if my family had money, no matter how dumb I was, I could have been a doctor lol.

That is the reality today. Wealthy parents - lawyers/doctors - with dumb kids who don't need to be intelligent become the professionals because their parents have the money.

I read recently of a few countries who have free tertiary education. NZ? and a few others.

In my dotage I think that may be the best "welfare" money ever spent.

I'd rather my doctor be the smartest graduate - not the richest?

 

[Mac]

I think I'm done lol. Thanks all.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Albonomics will fix the economy
Souths = Good
Inflation = Bad

Seriously Jedi, you often contribute and add something tangible to footy discussion and like me, have strong political views. Thing is you add basically nothing in the political debate, with slogans about the extent of your contribution.

I asked a question of you earlier without response, but will try again. If you are trying to get others to vote for the incumbents, please explain the positive reasoning for them getting your vote?

 

[Tim Sheens]

It's not 'always poor decision making' though @Earl
My 2nd job was with a State Govt Dept and I was paying the maximum $$$ into Superannuation via 1st State Super.
After a few years it was suggested I would receive over $1,000,000 when I retired.
The Liberal State Govt at the time reckoned they would be paying out to many $$$ so they slashed payouts by approx 50%.
Then the GFC came along and I lost approx another 50% or maybe even more by trusting and leaving my $$$ with State Super rather than putting it in the bank.
Then marriage problems came along and I now have next to zilch $$$ to live on.
There's a lot more people out there than just me Earl that have bad luck $$$ wise in their life, that now need financial help.

I hear you.

It is disgusting when referenced in derogatory terms as 'welfare' to demonise what is overwhelmingly a group of good people, often just down on their luck, for gain.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I totally agree. That is why I'm supportive of a good social security system.

At the same time if you can go to the pub and drink beer you can get another job if you want more beers.

Good with the first bit, though "at the same time", it could well be the only social engagement that particular individuals have and/or their abilities limit opportunity, so drawing that line varies amongst us all.

 

[Mac]

Hahahahaha, first world problems.

Bloody covid work from home lol