twentyforty
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I know our board hasn’t been making good decisions, but this would be a real clanger if they are simply having a review to find support for a decision they have already made. 😂😂😂😂
Michael Maguire leaves club
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Kaito
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My man, after reading over everyone's comments and having the time to marinate on things I can honestly say that I'm very conflicted with this whole Madge thing..Letting off steam can be healthy but not very practical haha. This is a genuine double edged sword situation, I really don't know what to think or believe anymore MM. Very much on the fence with this issue, I guess time will tell ... I like Madge, I just don't know
Gazman
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I am on the fence about Maguire position, but I am of the belief that what ever decision is made the Club this time around would have sufficient back up options in place rather than a simple knee jerk decision. I am sure when the recent extension review was undertaken he would have known the KPIs in place . So will this be a shock I doubt it , will the club allow for injuries to be the excuse perhaps? All I know we are dammed if we do and Dammed if we dont.
Go_You_Good_Things
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I knew 2 blokes that coached junior footy.
One played at a good level when he was a kid, did his junior level certificates, etc . . . . and his team were full of fairly talentless kids who's mothers strived for them to get the participation trophy in their sports year between violin and tutoring.
The other was a guy that barely played as a kid, never coached before, no certificates but watches the game . . . . and his team had 3 or 4 real good players in it, with the remainder having a fair idea of the game.
Guess which team made the semi's every year, and which team ran bottom 2 ?
I think that any 3 or 4 of us here could combine to coach the riff to the finals.
Because they have the players to achieve it regardless of the coach.
We don't.
It's not the coach.
And that means any coach, unless it's Jack Gibson, is severely limited by this roster. Severely.
It's the players, not the coach.
If Madge isn't using the bench to your liking, in the big picture, what's the difference ? We only have those players. if you play Jack first, then Bob second . . . it's still Jack and Bob.
I was going to ask what everyone expects to happen when Madge is punted.
Somehow, and I can't believe this, but somehow you all ignore the fact that it's just gonna be a repeat of what we've had happen in the last 10 years of the coaching merry-go-round.
You can get the drug injection supervisor "student of the game" Flanno here, and no matter what he studies, if his players don't have the brains/speed/talent/desire/smarts to do what he asks, then what the hell do you think he is going to change ?
Save these posts so we can just copy and paste in 2-3 years time.
Only the names will change.
One played at a good level when he was a kid, did his junior level certificates, etc . . . . and his team were full of fairly talentless kids who's mothers strived for them to get the participation trophy in their sports year between violin and tutoring.
The other was a guy that barely played as a kid, never coached before, no certificates but watches the game . . . . and his team had 3 or 4 real good players in it, with the remainder having a fair idea of the game.
Guess which team made the semi's every year, and which team ran bottom 2 ?
I think that any 3 or 4 of us here could combine to coach the riff to the finals.
Because they have the players to achieve it regardless of the coach.
We don't.
It's not the coach.
And that means any coach, unless it's Jack Gibson, is severely limited by this roster. Severely.
It's the players, not the coach.
If Madge isn't using the bench to your liking, in the big picture, what's the difference ? We only have those players. if you play Jack first, then Bob second . . . it's still Jack and Bob.
I was going to ask what everyone expects to happen when Madge is punted.
Somehow, and I can't believe this, but somehow you all ignore the fact that it's just gonna be a repeat of what we've had happen in the last 10 years of the coaching merry-go-round.
You can get the drug injection supervisor "student of the game" Flanno here, and no matter what he studies, if his players don't have the brains/speed/talent/desire/smarts to do what he asks, then what the hell do you think he is going to change ?
Save these posts so we can just copy and paste in 2-3 years time.
Only the names will change.
twentyforty
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I think the question is..does Bellamy have the courage to to go to a bottom of the food chain club?
Does anyone think he would have enjoyed the same level of success had he taken the WT job 18 years ago?
He must know he will never be regarded as an elite coach by coaching only one club. The Blues coaching job was a complete failure for him, because 11 of the Maroons were from the Storm. Which is odd right? He trained those guys, he knew what their next moves would be, but for reasons known only to him didn’t have a tactical response?
What I’m trying to say is, Madge is worth hanging onto.
gallagher
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Picking the last 4 games isn't cherry picking. It's a cold hard fact.
weststigerman
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Why not pick last 7 games then? Or even the first 12 rounds? Because we conceded less and it lessens your argument.
I could just as easily say we averaged 19 points against in our first 4 games this year and that's picking 4 games we lost.
Biggest load of common sense and facts I've read here in ages...
Beware man, The top H'8'ers will be coming for you.
You can't say it enough - We've been favourited to win 1 game this year (That we won) We won a couple others as well...
The people in the game, Giving their opinions - Picking the winners are doing this based on the Players playing in the game from both sides... Not how well they're coached.
Ivan Cleary left us for Penrith - They have 7 Players in Origin, Last year it was 8.
If Ivan stays, Does that mean we have 7-8 Origin Players?
I see all the WT management hiding behind Tim Sheens.
The Club is also responsible for the Roster and culture also.
Lets not forget we are the only club that has managed to get our CEO a all expenses paid Holiday for 6 months.
The Club is also responsible for the Roster and culture also.
Lets not forget we are the only club that has managed to get our CEO a all expenses paid Holiday for 6 months.
In 22 years w have 4 years that are deemed as success.
Will sacking Madge alone ix the Club?
Answer: No
The Man is all in on us, We should be begging him to stay!
Will sacking Madge alone ix the Club?
Answer: No
The Man is all in on us, We should be begging him to stay!
You say "I think that any 3 or 4 of us here could combine to coach the riff to the finals. Because they have the players to achieve it regardless of the coach. We don't. "It's not the coach."
You are speaking in the context of a Junior team and in this context I agree with you. However with Madge we are talking about an NRL side. Sides which depend on very good recruitment. This is where Madge is very badly failing. He has had so many knockbacks in recent months from players he has tried to sway to join Wests Tigers .
One possible reason for this is that Madge does not have the pulling power to attract these players. Other reasons such as the state of the teams efforts also exist but I believe that the main reason for players from other clubs not wanting to join Wests Tigers is that the players from other clubs do not want to play under Madge.
They don't want to come here for the same reasons Haas wants out of Brisbane...players want to play for a successful club..WT are running 16/16 when it comes to successful clubs...The ONLY way out of this is to develop youngsters like the Broncos and Cows have . Where are our versions of the Cobbo's, Nanai's and Luki's?...we just don't have any
gallagher
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Our defence is crap mate, we are conceding more than the dogs. No argument or games you put up can lessen that fact.
Defence results won't save madge.
Api K and I Papalii the only two players in demand that this club has been able to sign in forever.
This week we observed what happens to quality players that go to bottom of the table clubs - JAC not selected for SOO - a real message to those who have got options of the risk
Maguire may not be the solution- no one man is - but he is certainly not the problem either.
The 2 new players next year do....Hastings cant praise Madge enough and Luciano said Madge is the best coach he has had...
I think the main reason that some dont want to play with the WTs is because of the garbage that has made this a basket case of a club,such as sacking coaches,not having decent facilities,no cap space for the previous 3/4 years and a POOR culture that Madge is trying to fix...
I havent heard an NRL quality player ever say,"gee thanks for the great money its more than I can get elsewhere,but I dont want to be coached by Madge"....
Last thing along those lines was when "Farah said Potter cant coach while he was coaching,look where that ended up"...Sheens was right when he said "players get coaches sacked"....
Imho the knockbacks we have been getting is the players making a judgment on our club and its loser culture not necessarily the coach.Dollars and strength of a roster are the main attractions for getting top line players to a club not the coach.I believe Madge is the right person to get the club out of the manure that we have been since the JV as he is trying to change the festering mess that is our culture. We have made the semis a massive 4 times in 22 years and every one of us is annoyed by it.
Madge needs to see out his contract until the end of 2023 to try and fix the dire situation we have been in since the JV,getting a new coach only starts the cycle of crap again
Yeah - Other Clubs CEO's get sacked for Drugs charges and asking Sponsors for money...
Or major Salary cap breaches and the like.
BAGNF05
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Bringing people into your organisation who are clearly unprofessional is the issue. Repeating it many times over is all the evidence I need.
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The way I see it is when last years review decision was made to allow Madge to continue coaching there was always going to be this current review...an assessment on how things are going.
This was confirmed by Tim himself.
The media have once again jumped on this as a crisis meeting that's suddenly cropped up.
The bye round is perfect for this assessment to take place.
This meeting is not solely aimed at Madge, it's the whole club.
What the board had hoped was at this point of the season we were sitting on double digits thus giving us a shot at the top 8.
As I said earlier, on paper we have gone backwards if you look at last year where we won 5 of the first 13 games, this year it's 3 from the first 12 games heading into the bye.
I could go on with more but it's been said.
I think that because Tim is now overseeing football ops that he won't overlook that while we haven't had the results we have had terrible injuries, a backline that changes weekly, suspensions and indiscretions of the field.
Our defensive attitudes at times have been commendable, look at the wins against Souths and Parra. We haven't shown that sort of resolve, resilience for a long time.
Losses against Souths Rd12, Nth Qld Rd 10 and Cronulla Rd 5 have been forgettable performances whilst other games against Melbourne, Manly and Golf Coast to name a few were winnable.
During this review period they have to ascertain contract renewals/extentions to players like AD, Laurie and Jacko to name a few.
Sheens will be aware of how we are in a good cap position now [finally] to retain players like these as well as add to our improved roster for next year that Madge has been able to accomplish.
What I'm trying to say is this is not just a review on Madge.
The one thing I like about Madge is his determination to right the ship. To hang in there for the long haul where previous coaches have failed. He still believes he can turn the club around so lets give him the roster he deserves. [I love his passion]
This scenario reminds me of an English Channel swimmer who valiantly swims to a point half across the channel and so exhausted he decides to turn around and go back. 🤔 Makes no sense.
Vote 1 Madge, Gardiner,Cayless and Sheens
This was confirmed by Tim himself.
The media have once again jumped on this as a crisis meeting that's suddenly cropped up.
The bye round is perfect for this assessment to take place.
This meeting is not solely aimed at Madge, it's the whole club.
What the board had hoped was at this point of the season we were sitting on double digits thus giving us a shot at the top 8.
As I said earlier, on paper we have gone backwards if you look at last year where we won 5 of the first 13 games, this year it's 3 from the first 12 games heading into the bye.
I could go on with more but it's been said.
I think that because Tim is now overseeing football ops that he won't overlook that while we haven't had the results we have had terrible injuries, a backline that changes weekly, suspensions and indiscretions of the field.
Our defensive attitudes at times have been commendable, look at the wins against Souths and Parra. We haven't shown that sort of resolve, resilience for a long time.
Losses against Souths Rd12, Nth Qld Rd 10 and Cronulla Rd 5 have been forgettable performances whilst other games against Melbourne, Manly and Golf Coast to name a few were winnable.
During this review period they have to ascertain contract renewals/extentions to players like AD, Laurie and Jacko to name a few.
Sheens will be aware of how we are in a good cap position now [finally] to retain players like these as well as add to our improved roster for next year that Madge has been able to accomplish.
What I'm trying to say is this is not just a review on Madge.
The one thing I like about Madge is his determination to right the ship. To hang in there for the long haul where previous coaches have failed. He still believes he can turn the club around so lets give him the roster he deserves. [I love his passion]
This scenario reminds me of an English Channel swimmer who valiantly swims to a point half across the channel and so exhausted he decides to turn around and go back. 🤔 Makes no sense.
Vote 1 Madge, Gardiner,Cayless and Sheens
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