Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[TillLindemann]

The Spender agenda: Tax reform, more migrants and a brake on spending

The new independent MP for Wentworth says Liberals should not assume Scott Morrison was the root of their woes in teal seats.

www.smh.com.au

I thought this was interesting.

Some key points:-

1. The budget is a mess and needs to be fixed.
2. Immigration needs to increase.
3. Micro-economic reform is extremely important. It's about getting more bang for our buck.
4. Climate change is an issue but I don't think it's the sole focus.

Surprised reading that. She's basically a full on Liberal, economically she sounds closer to the Institute of Public Affairs than she does to the new government. She wants more people, but less spending. Same old rubbish.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Surprised reading that. She's basically a full on Liberal, economically she sounds closer to the Institute of Public Affairs than she does to the new government. She wants more people, but less spending. Same old rubbish.

More people + less spending = poverty.

 

[TillLindemann]

More people + less spending = poverty.

Yeah but 'girl power', so she's actually really progressive.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Yeah but 'girl power', so she's actually really progressive.

You mean female.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You mean female.

Did you assume her gender?

 

[TillLindemann]

She also seems to think people are spending too long in hospital and we need to cut spending there. Climate change aside, she actually seems further to the right and more ideological than the bloke she ousted.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Quite odd reading the gun control debate in the US on here earlier and that both major parties were the same. This despite some changes being stuck in the Senate for years because the Republicans haven't allowed them to be voted on through filibustering.

So callous to hear them still parroting on with the best protection against a bad guy with a gun crap, that being a good guy with a gun. Especially so when a heap of good guys with guns and paid ones at that, stood by for some 50 minutes as more children and their teachers were shot.

Instead, arresting parents and citizens that could no longer stand idly by as lives of the children still calling 911 were being lost and the gunshots ringing in their ears.

Then Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon addresses the annual NRA meeting in the same state. Put it up for a vote and let all representatives on the ballot there later this year be judged on their part or lack of it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I don’t believe for a second the Republicans believe what they parrot, that the answer is training teachers, the only solution is more guns etc. They’ll come up with any solution that does not involve some kind of gun control. How Ted Cruz kept a straight face after he told the Sky News journo that the US was the safest nation on earth was something else. Then again this is the same man who ardently supports and defends someone who called his wife ugly and accused his father of being in on the JFK assassination.

 

[FinestTigers]

I don’t believe for a second the Republicans believe what they parrot, that the answer is training teachers, the only solution is more guns etc. They’ll come up with any solution that does not involve some kind of gun control. How Ted Cruz kept a straight face after he told the Sky News journo that the US was the safest nation on earth was something else. Then again this is the same man who ardently supports and defends someone who called his wife ugly and accused his father of being in on the JFK assassination.

Cruz was a sycophant to the president, can you believe that after Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon saying that about his wife, Cruz then took his wife to dine with Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon?
Shameless sycophants.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Cruz was a sycophant to the president, can you believe that after Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon saying that about his wife, Cruz then took his wife to dine with Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon?
Shameless sycophants.

 

[mikey]

True or untrue I don't know but papers are reporting the Liberals told the authority that sets bulk electricity rates to not put the increases in effect until after the election. Also reported was the false claims electricity prices had dropped 10 per cent in recent times.
My supplier (ReAmped) has emailed all it's customers advising us to change providers because they can't compete any more. I'm enjoying looking for a new provider so much. Found one that apprarently is not much more than my current one but have they effected the recent increases? Been on their 'Live chat' for thirty minutes waiting for service - it doesn't bode well.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Quite odd reading the gun control debate in the US on here earlier and that both major parties were the same. This despite some changes being stuck in the Senate for years because the Republicans haven't allowed them to be voted on through filibustering.

So callous to hear them still parroting on with the best protection against a bad guy with a gun crap, that being a good guy with a gun. Especially so when a heap of good guys with guns and paid ones at that, stood by for some 50 minutes as more children and their teachers were shot.

Instead, arresting parents and citizens that could no longer stand idly by as lives of the children still calling 911 were being lost and the gunshots ringing in their ears.

Then Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon addresses the annual NRA meeting in the same state. Put it up for a vote and let all representatives on the ballot there later this year be judged on their part or lack of it.

No, that isn't what I said, I said it is an urban/rural issue, not Dem/GOP.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

True or untrue I don't know but paprs are reporting the Liberals told the authority that sets bulk electricity rates to not put the increases in effect until after the election. Also reported was the false claims electricity prices had dropped 10 percent in recent times.
My supplier (ReAmped) has emailed all it's customers advising us to change providers because they can't compete any more. I'm enjoying looking for a new provider so much. Found one that appraently is not much more thanmy current one but have they effected th recent increases? Been on their 'Live chat' for thrity minutes waiting for service - it doesn't bode well.

Wouldn't surprise if it were true. I mean, for nine years boat arrivals were secretive "on waters" matters but on election day it was fine to tell everyone a boat had arrived.

 

[mikey]

Wouldn't surprise if it were true. I mean, for nine years boat arrivals were secretive "on waters" matters but on election day it was fine to tell everyone a boat had arrived.

Wonder how much else was rotten in Denmark with our good God-fearing ex-PM? (No criticism of real christians intended.)

 

[Papacito]

My heart hurts for those poor kids, teachers and their families in Texas - as well as all the other people who have been innocent victims of gun violence in the US.

I've spent a fair bit of time in the US and I think their problems run very deep and are almost embedded in their cultural DNA.

Plenty of yanks would relish the opportunity to grab a rifle and shoot dead some idiot who snuck into their home, trying to pinch their laptop to pawn in the dead of the night.

Whereas I reckon the average Aussie might punch on with an intruder but genuinely would not want to end someone's life.

There's a clip floating around online that sums it up for me where a fella in Texas, very matter of factly, shoots dead his ex's new man over a very minor domestic argument (I won't post it because it is very full on).

Obviously gun control would help, but a big chunk of the population are suffering a pathological level of denial over their problems.

 

[jadtiger]

Wouldn't surprise if it were true. I mean, for nine years boat arrivals were secretive "on waters" matters but on election day it was fine to tell everyone a boat had arrived.

That is the thing with Scummo,he was always playing politics and covering up internal scandals and never trying to solve the countries problems.It was no shock to see the liberal vote disappear up its own clacker in urban seats with his inaction on many issues the electorate wanted.He would be the most distrusted politician in my life and i go back to Menzies.Abbott had many faults but at least he could "hold a hose" and would not have walked away when his country was in a crisis,just like no other Prime Minister of our country would have done

 

[Papacito]

That is the thing with Scummo,he was always playing politics and covering up internal scandals and never trying to solve the countries problems.It was no shock to see the liberal vote disappear up its own clacker in urban seats with his inaction on many issues the electorate wanted.He would be the most distrusted politician in my life and i go back to Menzies.Abbott had many faults but at least he could "hold a hose" and would not have walked away when his country was in a crisis,just like no other Prime Minister of our country would have done

I would also add that Morrison was a political campaigner with no policies.

Aussies as a whole are fairly politically conservative but eventually see through that.

 

[Tim Sheens]

What an absolute schemozzle of a state the energy production sector supply and it's distribution grid has been left in right now through lack of planning.

This all goes back to December 2009 when Abbott rolled Turnbull for the first time on the day prior to proposed bipartisan passing of legislation and the Greens wanting too much at once, so we ended up with nothing. A few years later we finally got a structure passed and operating, sadly to then be removed because of Abbott and the right's lust for power once again.

Unsure as to whether the minority Gillard government would have had support to pass the domestic gas reserve laws in 2012, but that too was a failure in relation to gas. Our nation only receiving a third of the royalties dollars from producers that we should be is another disgrace that goes back to Howard.

Such a shame that another six years then passed until there was belated further bipartisan agreement for passing legislation, that we then suffered because of Morrison's want of power for another four.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Worth trying

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

What an absolute schemozzle of a state the energy production sector supply and it's distribution grid has been left in right now through lack of planning.

This all goes back to December 2009 when Abbott rolled Turnbull for the first time on the day prior to proposed bipartisan passing of legislation and the Greens wanting too much at once, so we ended up with nothing. A few years later we finally got a structure passed and operating, sadly to then be removed because of Abbott and the right's lust for power once again.

Unsure as to whether the minority Gillard government would have had support to pass the domestic gas reserve laws in 2012, but that too was a failure in relation to gas. Our nation only receiving a third of the royalties dollars from producers that we should be is another disgrace that goes back to Howard.

Such a shame that another six years then passed until there was belated further bipartisan agreement for passing legislation, that we then suffered because of Morrison's want of power for another four.

It boggles that we are a net exporter of gas, and yet have to pay global rates for our gas.